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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: carolbee on Monday 28 April 14 14:55 BST (UK)
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Hello, I'm trying to trace the movements of Lydia French Aylwin (b 1814) and her cousin George Aylwin (b 1799) both from London. According to a letter written by a relative, they arrived in NSW (am not sure if they arrived separately or together) and at some stage travelled to Chile, where they later married and had 2 children. I'm stumped as to how to find when they arrived in Australia, how long they stayed there and then moved on to Chile. Hoping someone who has access to shipping records can help me solve the mystery.
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Assumed Lydia French Alwyn was an unusual name, but not so, as there was a Lydia French Alwyn on Ship 'Statesman' 1852 BUT age is 11.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0z2j/
cheers :)
cupoflife
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I've found a George Aylwin [1828 NSW Census] who arrived in NSW on the ship "Hunter" in 1827 but it looks like he arrived with wife, Harriet and kids, Mary Ann and Mary. The record estimates his dob as 1797.
There is a Lydia French Aylwin [dob about 1841] who left London and arrived in Melbourne, Victoria on the ship "Statesman" in Sep 1852. She was only 11 years old. Often they registered dates are wrong so could this be your girl?
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Assumed Lydia French Alwyn was an unusual name, but not so, as there was a Lydia French Alwyn on Ship 'Statesman' 1852 BUT age is 11.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0z2j/
cheers :)
cupoflife
Yes, you'd think this name would be rather unique wouldn't you, but not so. This one travelling on the Statesman was in fact a niece of the elder one ... her father's sister! :)
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I've found a George Aylwin [1828 NSW Census] who arrived in NSW on the ship "Hunter" in 1827 but it looks like he arrived with wife, Harriet and kids, Mary Ann and Mary. The record estimates his dob as 1797.
There is a Lydia French Aylwin [dob about 1841] who left London and arrived in Melbourne, Victoria on the ship "Statesman" in Sep 1852. She was only 11 years old. Often they registered dates are wrong so could this be your girl?
Thanks for the info on the George arriving with Harriet - that could be the answer to another mystery I have, but I know about the Lydia French Aylwin born 1841 ... she was in fact the niece of the one born in 1814. She was emigrating with her parents and siblings to Australia. Thanks anyway.
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Do you have any information on the family in Chile? Perhaps we can go at it that way.
Somewhat later on, but this record must surely be somehow connected to your lot:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KZ7D-CRH
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Colonial Tasmanian Family Links Detail
George AYLWIN Harriet MONTAGUE Launceston 1826
Elizabeth Ann1832 Launceston
Mary Ann 1833 Launceston
Hobart Town Gazette and Van Diemen’s Land Advertiser 18 Jan 1823
....Simon LAKE and George AYLWIN.......business as house and ship smith..tallow chandlers...Macquarie Street
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Do you have any information on the family in Chile? Perhaps we can go at it that way.
Somewhat later on, but this record must surely be somehow connected to your lot:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KZ7D-CRH
This birth record is their grandson. Lydia and George had 2 daughters, one being another Lydia, who married Alejandro Urrutia, and this child in the record is one of their sons. Other than that, the information on George and Lydia is sketchy. George had a brother, Richard, living in Chile and he and Lydia went from NSW to visit him. Another researcher has a copy of a letter written by Richard, (when and to who I don't know) which says, in part:
“My brother George went to New South Wales some years before me and William to the East Indies.
George used to pay me a visit for years, along with Lidia Aylwin, our cousin, daughter of Gulielmos Aylwin, dealer in copper and both died here a while back.”
Not sure when Richard went to Chile, but he married there in 1836 and died in 1877.
Lydia (the daughter of George and Lydia) was born in Chile in 1844 and died in 1925, aged 81.
The researcher in Chile has so far been unable to find any records for them ... their arrival in Chile, or their marriage, nor how and when they arrived in NSW.
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Colonial Tasmanian Family Links Detail
George AYLWIN Harriet MONTAGUE Launceston 1826
Elizabeth Ann1832 Launceston
Mary Ann 1833 Launceston
Hobart Town Gazette and Van Diemen’s Land Advertiser 18 Jan 1823
....Simon LAKE and George AYLWIN.......business as house and ship smith..tallow chandlers...Macquarie Street
Thanks for this. I'm not sure where they fit into the picture, but the tallow chandler bit is interesting as I've found other Aylwins in the family with that occupation.
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Hi
ST. JAMES SYDNEY, NEW SOUTH WALES, AUSTRALIA
Baptism: 31st Dec 1828
Mary Ann Aylwin
Birth: 4th Jan 1824.
F: George Aylwin, M: Harriet
Gerry
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These snippets are not very helpful and certainly don't give arrivals but you may find them useful IF they relate to the same chap, although it looks as though there may have been more than on George AYLWIN in Tasmania early on.
A George AYLWIN was listed as the licensee of The Ship Inn, Launceston in 1833. A George AYLWIN is shown arriving in Launceston per ship Prince Regent, 13 October 1829.
Geoerge AYLWIN is appointed District Constable at Launceston, 1826
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/8790628
In 1826 1828 a George AYLWIN of the Cumberland Arms, George St Sydney announces that he has commenced business as a candle maker in Sydney. A bit of a long shot but could this be the chap who was a tallow chandler in Hobart? However if he is being made a Constable in Launceston the same year ..... IF it is the same man.............. ???
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/8790628
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/31760568
(Edit to correct.)
THe Sydney candle maker takes on Mr Cole as a partner.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/36864803
In March 1829 Geroge AYLWIN sells the business to John Cole.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2191935
October 1829 shows Mr George AYLWIN arriving at Launceston from Sydney, on the brig Prince Regent (As noted above)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/84778581
There is mention of Mrs Harriet AYLWIN (who is listed as the wife of George - see above) leaving for Valparaiso on the Esparanza, November 1836. I'm not 100% sure but it seems the ship left from Hobart so possibly there is a connection. :-\
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12856988
There are hardly any further mentions which seem relevant after this one, although land belonging to "AYLWIN" in Tasmania is mentioned once or twice
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Baptism:
Elizabeth Ann AAYLWIN (sic)
1 Feb 1832, Tasmania (no place specified)
Parents: George AALWYN, Harriett
Judith
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These snippets are not very helpful and certainly don't give arrivals but you my find them useful IF they relate to the same chap, although it looks as though there may have been more than on George AYLWIN in Tasmania early on.
A George AYLWIN was listed as the licensee of The Ship Inn, Launceston in 1833. A George AYLWIN is shown arriving in Launceston per ship Prince Regent, 13 October 1829.
Geoerge AYLWIN is appointed District Constable at Launceston, 1826
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/8790628
In 1826 a George AYLWIN of the Cumberland Arms, George St Sydney announces that he has commenced business as a candle maker in Sydney. A bit of a long shot but could this be the chap who was a tallow chandler in Hobart? However if he is being made a Constable in Launceston the same year ..... IF it is the same man.............. ???
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/8790628
THe Sydney candle maker takes on Mr Cole as a partner.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/36864803
In March 1829 Geroge AYLWIN sells the business to John Cole.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2191935
October 1829 shows Mr George AYLWIN arriving at Launceston from Sydney, on the brig Prince Regent (As noted above)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/84778581
There is mention of Mrs Harriet AYLWIN (who is listed as the wife of George - see above) leaving for Valparaiso on the Esparanza, November 1836. I'm not 100% sure but it seems the ship left from Hobart so possibly there is a connection. :-\
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12856988
There are hardly any further mentions which seem relevant after this one, although land belonging to "AYLWIN" in Tasmania is mentioned once or twice
Thank you so much, Judith, for digging into these records for me. I have been checking them out for myself and actually you are probably right in saying that this George was the same one who was both the constable in Tasmania, and the candle maker in Sydney. When I checked the newspaper items for myself I noticed you had accidentally put 1826 instead of 1828 as the year for when he started the candle business in Sydney, so he definitely had time to do both! I'm almost 100% sure that it's the same George I'm looking for ... this one certainly does tick all the boxes, and even his age in the census was very close (he was born in 1799) + the fact that he was a tallow chandler, something that was mentioned in his father's Will). With that Harriet sailing to Valparaiso (Chile) in 1836 it does send my imagination into overdrive and begs the question ... why was she travelling there on her own? Now, the question is ... how to find George's (and Lydia's) departure from Australia. Many thanks again!
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Oh my - sorry. I have also put in the wrong TROVE reference for the start of the candlemaking business, so have now corrected it in my previous post. Apologies, again.
Judith
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Oh my - sorry. I have also put in the wrong TROVE reference for the start of the candlemaking business, so have now corrected it in my previous post. Apologies, again.
Judith
That's alright - I sorted that out too! ;)
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The parish register for the 1826 marriage of George AYLWIN & Harriet MONTAGUE gives the ships they arrived on along with further information:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0z2z/
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The parish register for the 1826 marriage of George AYLWIN & Harriet MONTAGUE gives the ships they arrived on along with further information:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0z2z/
Thanks for that Merlin. I didn't know they had the names of ships on these certificates.
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Nor did I (know about the ship's names). I find the 'new' FamilySearch quite difficult to navigate.
Here is George AYLWYN's actual arrival, per the William Shand into Hobart, 19 August 1822, having left England 1st May
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/1089759
Judith
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Nor did I (know about the ship's names). I find the 'new' FamilySearch quite difficult to navigate.
Here is George AYLWYN's actual arrival, per the William Shand into Hobart, 19 August 1822, having left England 1st May
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/1089759
Judith
Yes, a big thank you to Merlin for opening up that resource! I had no idea it was there! I have also been struggling with this new familysearch.
Thanks for the item about the ship Judith! Priceless! :)
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Hmmm
We are still not seeing anything about Lydia (b1814), nor anything of what happened to the children of George AYLWIN and Harriett although NSW BMD does have this death:
1835 #V18351742 19
Mary A AYLWIN, INFANT (No parent names given)
If this is the child of George and Harriett whose birth (1824) and baptism (1828) was given by Gerry then she would have been about 11. The term "Infant" was sometimes used to denote a minor.
Of course, we are still not sure if this is the right man :-\
Judith
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Hmmm
We are still not seeing anything about Lydia (b1814), nor anything of what happened to the children of George AYLWIN and Harriett although NSW BMD does have this death:
1835 #V18351742 19
Mary A AYLWIN, INFANT (No parent names given)
If this is the child of George and Harriett whose birth (1824) and baptism (1828) was given by Gerry then she would have been about 11. The term "Infant" was sometimes used to denote a minor.
Of course, we are still not sure if this is the right man :-\
Judith
Yes, I saw this death too, and wondered if it was their daughter. And yes, also wondering what became of the children of George and Harriet!
So far Lydia is somewhat of a mystery woman! Can't find anything on Trove about her, and starting to wonder if she travelled under another name.
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Is this Lydia related??
Marriage, 22 May 1833, St. Nicholas', Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Lydia French AYLWIN
William Henry VALE
FHL Film Number: 1068891
Judith
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I did find this in my searches too, and it did cross my mind it was her, because you would have to wonder how many people there could be with this exact same name. However, it is a bit out of area for my/our Lydia French Aylwin who was born in Surrey, however, ignoring that she could have married Vale, it didn't work out (or maybe he died?), and then she took off for Australia. If this IS my girl, she would have been 19 at the time.