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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: eleanorw28 on Saturday 26 April 14 16:16 BST (UK)
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Robert Henry Jenkin (b. 1847 Egloskerry ), m. Mary Annie Groves (b. Nov 1835 Lynton) Dec 1869. They were living in Norwood, London in 1869. They never had children.
Mary Annie's nieces, surname White, from Lynton, were frequently with them in Norwood - particularly one Mary Ann White b.1884 who was 7 in 1891. She seems to have looked after Robert from the age of about 16 , while he had TB. Neither Mary Ann, nor Mary Annie, nor Robert Henry can be found in the 1901 Census.
Family info. says that RHJ went on a sea voyage to try & cure his TB. The UK Passenger List for "The Briton", sailing on 20 Oct 1900 for Cape Town, shows a Mr R H Jenkin & a May White, both in single cabins. If these are the same Robert Henry Jenkin & Mary Ann White, his wife Mary Annie is not with them.
Before her marriage M A Groves had an illegitimate baby boy who at first lived with her parents as their son, and later moved to Norwood, where he married and became a Builder with an established family.
Robert (also a Builder) died in Tremaine Cornwall in July 1904. He left £1126 8s 6d to Mary Ann White. He also mentions "my dear late wife" in his will.
I would be glad to know Mary Annie's place & date of death (not found in Free BMD) All suggestions welcome.
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So we could surmise that Mary Annie died between 1891 and 1904, possibly before 1900 when Robert and Mary White set sail.
He obviously came back if he died in Cornwall but did wife die in Cornwall or before he returned there :-\ The only Mary as I expect you found is 1896 but she is 20 years too old.
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I wondered if she could have separated from Robert and used her maiden name of Groves, or the name of her son's father (Gay) but haven't had any luck searching. Unless she was in a workhouse or similar.
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I was wondering if she did set off on the voyage with the other two and something happened to her but seems unlikely if he was in a single cabin and her name isn't on the passenger list :-\
Looking at the actual passenger list there is a 1 in the column "single" next to his name so that indicates he was already widowed by then?
Sorry if that's what you meant by single cabin. I thought that was just a single room regardless of status!
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Yes, I see what you mean. It does say "married" or "single" at the top of the column. I see there is 1 passenger entered as "married" - travelling alone. i.e. the Rev Butt. Mrs Budd. on the other hand is under "Single". If this referred to status that would mean Mary Annie died before Oct 1900, but apparently not. So she may have still been alive but not travelling with Robert & Mary Ann.
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Her death is a mystery isn't it.
Could we check the 1891 address in 1901 to see who was living there?
His address in 1904 was Coombelake Tremaine so at some point he moved back. I'm thinking she did die before 1900 but certainly can't see when or where.
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Am getting a FH friend to check the 1901 address. This death registration
1902 JFM. pancras 1b 74
of a Mary Ann Jenkins could be her - she is in the st pancras workhouse death reg as dying on jan1. 1902. Maybe she was in the infirmary - although quite far from Norwood. Perhaps I will splash out and get the certificate. If this is her, she was left on her own while Robert and her young neice went off to South Africa, or maybe they got home first.
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The person that you found died in 1902 should be on the 1901 census somewhere so let's see if we can find her before you splash out on the certificate :)
The 1902 death gives her age as 65 on the index - would that be about right?
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Yes, she was born in 1835 so that would be right. The only other possible I can find is a Mary Ann Groves in St George Bloomsbury Workhouse in 1901.
RG13/238/131/15
Right age, but Surname & birthplace wrong. Maybe she was using her maiden name? and Bloomsbury as birthplace for anonymity?
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"my dear late wife" seems to indicate there was no discord between them ie they hadn't split up on bad terms or anything. Doesn't seem any reason for her to be using her maiden name or giving a different birthplace :-\
Assume we are assuming Robert and Mary Ann White were still abroad in 1901. Do you know what happened to her afterwards?
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Was Mary Ann White's mother Elizabeth?
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Mary Ann White's mother was Elizabeth Groves, Mary Annie's sister.
The house at 25 Westow St occupied by the Jenkins in 1891 housed the family of a Scottish Builder & Decorator John Stewart, in 1901.
So Mary Annie could be the Mary Ann Jenkins in the St Pancras workhouse? infirmary in 1901, and who died there on 1st Jan 1902.
I think I will go for the Death Cert.
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Good luck hope it comes up trumps :)
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I now have the death cert of Mary Ann Jenkins in St Pancras Workhouse on 1st Jan 1902, aged 65. The date and age are right but I don't believe this can be the ancestor I was looking for as I don't recognise the address ( 108 Osnaburgh St St Pancras), also the certificate doesn't say if this one was married or single. Her Occupation was Needlewoman and the cause of death Chronic Bronchitis & Morbus Cordis (Heart Disease). I don't think she can be the same Mary Annie Jenkin I have been looking for - therefore I am reluctantly giving up. Thanks for the help & suggestions, Milliepede.