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Benjamin Lowe
Deceased MKQS-VDS
Matilda Plant
Deceased MKQS-VDR
Married
31 AUG 1874
All Saints,Birmingham,Warwick,England
Hi, you may be suprised to know I am from AUSTRALIA: I have gone through all resources in australia and it has lead me to here; my ancestors i.e greatgreatgreatgreat grandfather is ABOVE: Benjamin LOWE born 1854 in Birmingham and married Matilda PLANT b. 1853; married 1874 at ALL saints church as above; I am curious if ANYBODY here is related or has any information newspaper articles anything at all so I know more about my family history; both BENJAMIN and MATILDA moved to Australia anywhere from 1874-1884 as they are listed as having a child in 1884 in a town not 200miles from where I live today :-)
I am very curious and greatful for any information or if I have any living relatives; I cannot find any information to show BENJAMIN or MATILDAs siblings so I am stuck here, please help me!
thankyou
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Hello, welcome to Rootschat.
Is this his birth?
Benjamin Lowe
Jul-Aug-Sep 1854
Birmingham Warwickshire
Volume: 6d Page: 135
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yes that looks like it; I just want to know more; I cannot access or afford to pay for it; thanks
Hello, welcome to Rootschat.
Is this his birth?
Benjamin Lowe
Jul-Aug-Sep 1854
Birmingham Warwickshire
Volume: 6d Page: 135
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Possible from 1861 census, but you really need to get the marriage certificate to check father's name.
1861 RG 9; Piece: 2160; Folio: 132; Page: 36 Birmingham, Warwickshire
31 Court 4 House Brearley Street
Benjamin Lowe 27 Jappener Bilston, Staffordshire
Emma Lowe 27 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Benjamin Lowe 6 Birmingham, Warwickshire
James Lowe 4 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Richard Lowe 3 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Thomas Lowe 11/12 Birmingham, Warwickshire
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sorry I only could find online the info for BENJAMIN born:
19 Aug 1854 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Possible from 1861 census, but you really need to get the marriage certificate to check father's name.
1861 RG 9; Piece: 2160; Folio: 132; Page: 36 Birmingham, Warwickshire
31 Court 4 House Brearley Street
Benjamin Lowe 27 Jappener Bilston, Staffordshire
Emma Lowe 27 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Benjamin Lowe 6 Birmingham, Warwickshire
James Lowe 4 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Richard Lowe 3 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Thomas Lowe 11/12 Birmingham, Warwickshire
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Looks good - if this is the marriage, that is the right family in the census and gives you his siblings.
Benjamin Lowe
Birth Year: abt 1854
Marriage 31 Aug 1874
Marriage Place: Hockley, All Saints, Warwickshire, England
Spouse: Malilda Plant
Spouse Marriage Age: 19
Father: Benjamin Lowe
Spouse's Father: Edward Plant
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yes yes yes that is it; now what information can you find? anything about the family? why benjamin left ENGLAND? how they left like on a boat? any links or newspaper or what they did as a trade? curious thankyou so much.
Look good if this is the marriage
Benjamin Lowe
Birth Year: abt 1854
Marriage 31 Aug 1874
Marriage Place: Hockley, All Saints, Warwickshire, England
Spouse: Malilda Plant
Spouse Marriage Age: 19
Father: Benjamin Lowe
Spouse's Father: Edward Plant
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That is the correct family as on the marriage certificate it gives his father as Benjamin Lowe - Japenner. Benjamin was a cage maker and Matilda was in domestic service. Her father was a Frying pan maker.
The problem is most of our passenger lists dont start until 1890. I presume they just left for a better life.
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That is the correct family as on the marriage certificate it gives his father as Benjamin Lowe - Japenner. Benjamin was a cage maker and Matilda was in domestic service. Her father was a Frying pan maker.
ok is there any other details? info? why they left the uk?
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Matilda's family in 1861
RG 9; Piece: 2184; Folio: 14; Page: 22
Edward Plant 46 Frying Pan Maker Birmingham, Warwickshire
Maria Plant 47 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Maria Plant 15 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Resehannah Plant 12 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Priscilla Plant 7 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Matilda Plant 5 Birmingham, Warwickshire
I'm afraid you are not likely to find why they left - as I said it was probably just for a better life.
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hi thanks
i replied to your messages: but is there any further info or photos or write ups
Matilda's family in 1861
RG 9; Piece: 2184; Folio: 14; Page: 22
Edward Plant 46 Frying Pan Maker Birmingham, Warwickshire
Maria Plant 47 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Maria Plant 15 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Resehannah Plant 12 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Priscilla Plant 7 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Matilda Plant 5 Birmingham, Warwickshire
I'm afraid you are not likely to find why they left - as I said it was probably just for a better life.
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Cant find anything else.
This is possibly them in 1881, if so it means they were still in England then.
219 Clifton Rd Aston, Warwickshire
Benjm Lowe 26 Tin Plate Worker Birmingham
Matilda Lowe 25 Aston, Warwickshire
Arnold Lowe 5 Aston, Warwickshire
Amy Lowe 6 mths Aston, Warwickshire
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that is quite possible; all my records in Australia say is they had a child in 1884 but that is Australian BDM database so they could have already had kids when they left :-) I was told there is some records for passengers on ships if they had of taken a ship...
this is the message I received from the Ancestory library in Australia:
SA Birth index lists 9 children from 1884 with father named Benjamin LOWE and an entry published in the Biographical Index of South Australia 1836-1885 (BISA) gives birthdate, place, marriage date also names wife and children who were passengers on the ship on which Benjamin arrived in SA with his family
Cant find anything else.
This is possibly them in 1881, if so it means they were still in England then.
219 Clifton Rd Aston, Warwickshire
Benjm Lowe 26 Tin Plate Worker Birmingham
Matilda Lowe 25 Aston, Warwickshire
Arnold Lowe 5 Aston, Warwickshire
Amy Lowe 6 mths Aston, Warwickshire
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An online tree gives Benjamin's parents as Benjamin Lowe 1835 1901 and Emma Webb 1833 1910. They dont have him after 1881.
Your Benjamin appears to have had a lot of siblings:
Benjamin Richard Lowe 1854
James Lowe 1857
Richard Lowe 1858
Thomas Lowe 1860
Henry Lowe 1862
William Lowe 1864
Ellen Lowe 1869
Emma Lowe 1871
Walter Lowe 1873
Alfred (Frederick) Lowe 1878
Ada Lowe 1880
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There are passenger lists, but as I said they dont start from here until 1890. You might be able to find more from your end.
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wow that is a huge family; how can I get access to this website so i can see if there are any relatives of significance today> was there any relatives who were like politicians or famous or anything like that; why cant I get to that site and have a look myself :) but thank you so much for that responses
An online tree gives Benjamin's parents as Benjamin Lowe 1835 1901 and Emma Webb 1833 1910. They dont have him after 1881.
Your Benjamin appears to have had a lot of siblings:
Benjamin Richard Lowe 1854
James Lowe 1857
Richard Lowe 1858
Thomas Lowe 1860
Henry Lowe 1862
William Lowe 1864
Ellen Lowe 1869
Emma Lowe 1871
Walter Lowe 1873
Alfred (Frederick) Lowe 1878
Ada Lowe 1880
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Try here it might help
http://www.mundia.com/ca/Search
If this is his death Death: Buried In Laura Cemetery 1931South Australia, there is a tree on there for him.
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thank you ALL for the links alot of information thank you! well its interesting to find my family started way back in Aston birmingham in the 1800s :P
Try here it might help
http://www.mundia.com/ca/Search
If this is his death Death: Buried In Laura Cemetery 1931South Australia, there is a tree on there for him.
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It might be worth posting on the Australia board asking for a lookup of immigration records for your family.
The time frame that they arrived has been narrowed down to between 1881 (last sighting of them on the census in England) and 1884 (child born in Australia).
Each State holds it's own records, so mention South Australia in your subject heading. Also, provide a link to this thread so everyone will know what information you already have and it will also help find the family. :)
It is highly likely that like most of us, your family had menial jobs such as labourers - migrants from the UK were encouraged to come to Australia to "build" the country, clear land, farm etc etc. Specific skills were often imported from the UK for particular projects. Many of the poorer families left cold wet England for warmer climates with the promise of a better life, and often some freebies too. ;D
Also, for many of us, the only mention of our ancestors is on birth, death and marriage records and if in the UK, census records, so be prepared to find little or nothing more about them.
By the way, they definitely would have arrived on a ship (no other way to get to Australia in those days) - the journey would generally take about three months.
PS. There are many many members of Rootschat who live in Australia. I'm sure you will get all the help you need from them.
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DUNDEE
Published in the South Australia Government Gazette
3rd May 1883
Crown Lands and Immigration Office, Adelaide, 3rd May 1883
The undermentioned immigrants per Dundee sailed from Plymouth on the 23rd February
and are expected to arrive at Port Adelaide about the 18th instant.
Persons here whose friends are on this vessel are requested to obtain house accommodation
and make arrangements without delay to receive them on arrival.
The immigrants, except those nominated by their friends, and the single
women, can be engaged on arrival on board the ship, at Port Adelaide. The single women, who are not
nominated will be hired at the Servants Home, Flinders Street, Adelaide on the day after their arrival at
the home. Employers in the country districts can communicate with the Crown Lands and Immigration Office,
Adelaide by letter, either before or after the arrival of the vessel, stating the kind of labor they require, &c.,
and upon their arranging for the conveyance and reception of the persons they want, their requests will, when
possible, be complied with.
Alfred Catt, Commissioner of Crown Lands and immigration
this is the full update and it includes the children that were on board the ship as someone pointed out the kids they had in england; and then ive found more information including the fact that the son Harold who was an infant when they left england ended up serving in WW2 as written below:
Mr. Harold Lowe. 60. of Port Pirie
West, who died suddenly on July 26.
was born at Aston Villa. Birmingham
('England). As an infant he came to
South Australia with his parents in the j
ship Dundee. Later he joined his father
in a tinsmithing business at Laura, en
listins there in 1914 for the Great War.
and serving two years with the 43rd
Battalion. In France he sustained
severe shell-shock, and after two years'
service was discharged on a pension.
For a while he was employed by the Re
patriation Department in tankmaking at
Lake Bonnev, but about five years ago
he settled at Port Pirie. He was un
married. He left five brothers and
two sisters.
so much information there they arrived in Adelaide in 1883 on the DUNDEE ship amazing 130yrs later I live in the same city they came to literally about 20miles from the Port they came to and about 150miles from the town they lived in for at least the next 60yrs! wow
so who can help me find the proper australian page to post all this information on and to see if there any living relatives still that I have never heard of before!
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This should take you to the Australian board. Then click on New Topic and start your post. Please remember to link it back to here, otherwise people won't be very happy if they waste time finding what you already have. http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?board=165.0
I'm not sure why you were asking about the ship as it looks as if you already have that information.
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Hi geronamo2011
Welcome to rootschat. :)
Sorry I have nothing more to add on Benjamin but it might be an idea if you put on your profile that you are in Australia then in the future we won't be suggesting you visit Record offices in England for anything you may be after. ;D
Rosie
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Ok geronimo, I see that we have all misunderstood your request. I think the fact that you said your family arrived in Australia between 1874 and 1884 is what threw us, and we thought you were looking for immigration dates. I now see that you have the immigration record for your family. In addition you already have substantial amounts of other documentation such as you posted above. If you know their dates of death, have you looked for obituaries for any of your family. These can often contain interesting snippets.
To go back to the beginning again. I take it you are looking for earlier generations of the Lowe family back in England? And possibly looking to make contact with any of their descendants?
I suggest you have a look at the information given earlier in this post (census etc), get it all down on paper, possibly in a diagram or whatever you find easiest to understand, then come back to us if you find you have any gaps that we might be able to help you fill in.
If you are looking for living descendants of any of these Lowes, then anyone researching the same family in the future who googles these names, will find this thread and be able to join rootschat to contact you. Rootschat often appears towards the top of google results. ;D This has happened with my families on a number of occasions.
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Hi thank you for all your help; I have alot of information; I was now looking to find any living descendants in england and in Australia thats all; trying to find a more detailed family tree; the ones I found online only show the ones deceased and not the current living children etc so I just have to keep looking; thank you all
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Hi Geronamo
Also remember that we are not allowed to give names or details of any living people on Rootschat.
What you need to do now, both with family here and in Australia is to start from the census information I gave you earlier and try and trace the family forwards until at least the 1911 census. After that it becomes a bit harder as you have to rely on other records such as electoral registers. It is usually easier to start with the males as they don't change their name by marriage. However, to be absolutely sure that you are following the right people you do have to be prepared to buy certificates.
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Here's one to get you started:
Benjamin Lowe had a brother William who was born in 1864 died 1935 in Birmingham.
In the 1901 census he is a table maker and is married to Sarah Ann they have two children
Isaac William Lowe born 1892
Elsie Louise Lowe born 1896
Isaac William Lowe married May Blanche Clifford in 1914. They were still in Birmingham in 1930 (from the electoral register)
They had 3 children:
John Isaac William Lowe 1915 - 1987
Joan Blanch Lowe 1916 - 2005 (married name Bacon)
A daughter born 1920 wont name as she could be alive.
These three may have had children who could be still be alive. I think there were 2 children born to the Lowe/Bacon marriage one in 1950 and one in 1954. You can find these using Freebmd.
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Here's one to get you started:
Benjamin Lowe had a brother William who was born in 1864 died 1935 in Birmingham.
In the 1901 census he is a table maker and is married to Sarah Ann they have two children
Isaac William Lowe born 1892
Elsie Louise Lowe born 1896
Isaac William Lowe married May Blanche Clifford in 1914. They were still in Birmingham in 1930 (from the electoral register)
They had 3 children:
John Isaac William Lowe 1915 - 1987
Joan Blanch Lowe 1916 - 2005 (married name Bacon)
A daughter born 1920 wont name as she could be alive.
These three may have had children who could be still be alive. I think there were 2 children born to the Lowe/Bacon marriage one in 1950 and one in 1954. You can find these using Freebmd.
can you please PM me with how to find these people I have never done this before sorry!!
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:)
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ is a good free site. Try a few practice searches for some of the people that groom has already found for you. It's very easy to use.
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:)
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ is a good free site.
thanks after A LOT of research I have found 1 living relative right now who would be around 60yrs old thats the best I can find;
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You may find that it isn't easy to find living relatives as they may have moved away from Birmingham.
It is a city of more than 1 million people and over the years many families have moved further out into the surrounding areas.
You may be lucky and find one relative straight away and they may be able to put you in touch with others, keep trying and good luck.
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thanks after A LOT of research I have found 1 living relative right now who would be around 60yrs old thats the best I can find;
That is good news. You are lucky. It can take years and years for some of us to find living relatives, and some of us never do. You find one in a matter of hours!
Once you contact them and confirm that you have common ancestors, without mentioning their names let us know how you get on. :)
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thanks after A LOT of research I have found 1 living relative right now who would be around 60yrs old thats the best I can find;
That is good news. You are lucky. It can take years and years for some of us to find living relatives, and some of us never do. You find one in a matter of hours!
Once you contact them and confirm that you have common ancestors, without mentioning their names let us know how you get on. :)
thank you; well I am shy nervous to ring or mail this guy but I guess I have to try but I also may have found like a 4th cousin once removed in Australia too; and the hometown where my family came to in 1883 is only 150miles north from here so I may visit one day and see what I can find out; I am very greatful; I dont expect us to become best mates but i am curious just to see if there any relatives my age even if we are 4th or 5th cousins! I dont know how people can live without knowing where they came from and in a matter of 1 day I have traced my family line back to Birmingham 1780 :)
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How certain are you that this is a relation? As Ruskie said it often takes a lot of checking - certainly more than one day to be sure that you have the right family, especially when the name is reasonably common. If you contact this person you need to take it carefully and ask if they know anything about the family and establish the common ancestor. Be prepared for rejection as some people are not interested.
Please don't just accept all the information I gave you about the family, you do need to check it for yourself and get certificates to back it up.
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How certain are you that this is a relation? As Ruskie said it often takes a lot of checking - certainly more than one day to be sure that you have the right family, especially when the name is reasonably common. If you contact this person you need to take it carefully and ask if they know anything about the family and establish the common ancestor. Be prepared for rejection as some people are not interested.
Please don't just accept all the information I gave you about the family, you do need to check it for yourself and get certificates to back it up.
Obviously I have gone thru all the Australian sites and British sites and matched up the names and dates and all the relatives/parents/kids/ found numerous articles from local newspapers and birth/death certs; enough to make me 90% sure for now I am still doing more research and talk to people to find out more; as there was a separation when my side of the family moved to Australia but I have found a member of the history site who has compiled a HUGE family tree with tons of information and it all appears to line up :) so I will take caution but still find out more!
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Something fairly basic and I'm not sure if you have already done this, but if you have elderly relatives it is a good idea to talk to them. They may be able to tell you stories about their own cousins or other more distant relatives. They may be able to confirm if the person/s you found is a relative. Obviously make sure you write down on paper everything they tell you, and be prepared for some inaccuracies or family stories which aren't quite true (intentionally or otherwise). :)
Groom is right. There are actually many people who aren't interested in family history. Sometimes if there is a scandal people are very reluctant to talk about it, even if it was nothing by today's standards. And you do need to purchase at least some certificates to make sure you are tracing the right family. Even something as simple as seeing a family on a census and presuming that you are looking at parents and their children, can be wrong. I was nearly caught out when all the children in a family I was tracing had a different mother from the one on the census - the father had remarried. Luckily I bought the birth certificate showing the correct mother or I would have gone completely down the wrong track.
Good luck anyway, and just be a bit cautious - do not rush - and back up your research with certificates.
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Something fairly basic and I'm not sure if you have already done this, but if you have elderly relatives it is a good idea to talk to them. They may be able to tell you stories about their own cousins or other more distant relatives. They may be able to confirm if the person/s you found is a relative. Obviously make sure you write down on paper everything they tell you, and be prepared for some inaccuracies or family stories which aren't quite true (intentionally or otherwise). :)
Groom is right. There are actually many people who aren't interested in family history. Sometimes if there is a scandal people are very reluctant to talk about it, even if it was nothing by today's standards. And you do need to purchase at least some certificates to make sure you are tracing the right family. Even something as simple as seeing a family on a census and presuming that you are looking at parents and their children, can be wrong. I was nearly caught out when all the children in a family I was tracing had a different mother from the one on the census - the father had remarried. Luckily I bought the birth certificate showing the correct mother or I would have gone completely down the wrong track.
Good luck anyway, and just be a bit cautious - do not rush - and back up your research with certificates.
thank you; I have gone as far as I can to find as much info as I can; but my next step will be getting a hold of ANY birth/marriage cert i can find and make sure the names match on that as well.
thanks
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Hi "cousin",
I stumbled across your message here while doing my own family research. It appears that we are related!
Your ancestor Benjamin Lowe Jnr (1854) was brother to my ancestor Henry Lowe (1862). As you know, their father Benjamin Snr lived in Bilston. I lived in that area, and although I have now emigrated to the US, my daughter still lives in Bilston. It's fascinating to hear about Benjamin emigrating to Australia. I was nearly born in Australia myself as my parents planned to emigrate but changed their minds at the last minute for some reason.
I hope your family research is going well!
K Lowe
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Hi and welcome to RootsChat.
Hopefully Geronamo will get notification of this message, but they haven't been on Rootschat since last May.