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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: Frank Murphy on Saturday 26 April 14 11:16 BST (UK)
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Have checked groni without success, familysearch.org ,ancestry.co.uk
1901 Census: http://tinyurl.com/pxbd8s7 Belfast
1911 Census: http://tinyurl.com/ncqlzqu Co Antrim
His father Paul Murphy was a Stone Mason, also seen him listed as a Stone Cutter.
His mother was Catherine (nee Treacy)
have checked on newspapers.com, nothing that I could find.
Any help appreciated.
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Frank - I take it that you have Paul and Catherine's marriage in 1882, Waterford. It is to be found here
http://www.rootsireland.ie/
I am still looking for a birth record for Thomas.
RosemaryJoan
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The 1901/1911 census records indicate Thomas born Belfast / Co. Antrim, all siblings born Waterford.
In those circumstances could it not be that Thomas was registered elsewhere (eg. on the way down to Waterford)?
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Frank - I take it that you have Paul and Catherine's marriage in 1882, Waterford. It is to be found here
http://www.rootsireland.ie/
I am still looking for a birth record for Thomas.
RosemaryJoan
Yes, Have traced their wedding on rootsireland, and Catherine baptism in Tramore.
Thomas died in Cork 1947 (Sub-Editor with the Cork Examiner)
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The 1901/1911 census records indicate Thomas born Belfast / Co. Antrim, all siblings born Waterford.
In those circumstances could it not be that Thomas was registered elsewhere (eg. on the way down to Waterford)?
I've had a look but couldn't find a Thomas with father Paul, or mother with Catherine (or variants of)
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Frank - Because they were Catholic, even if they 'forgot' to register Thomas's birth , they would have had him baptised in the Catholic Church. If we can find the area in Belfast where they lived perhaps we could find the church.
As it happens a member of my family was also a stone mason during that time, and family history tells me that he worked on the Catholic Cathedral in Belfast. The family lived in Lilliput Street in the Dock area of Belfast.
RosemaryJoan
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Frank - Because they were Catholic, even if they 'forgot' to register Thomas's birth , they would have had him baptised in the Catholic Church. If we can find the area in Belfast where they lived perhaps we could find the church.
As it happens a member of my family was also a stone mason during that time, and family history tells me that he worked on the Catholic Cathedral in Belfast. The family lived in Lilliput Street in the Dock area of Belfast.
RosemaryJoan
Where could one follow up on this Thom's 1884-86?
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I have just been searching ancestryireland who claim to have nearly all catholic baptisms in Down and Antrim and no sign of a Thomas with father Paul. Have you looked at the Joseph born 1882 in Waterford??
RosemaryJoan
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I have just been searching ancestryireland who claim to have nearly all catholic baptisms in Down and Antrim and no sign of a Thomas with father Paul. Have you looked at the Joseph born 1882 in Waterford??
RosemaryJoan
It's definably Paul, as Thomas has reported the death of his father Paul in 1907, and his mother Catherine (window of paul in 1938)
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Does this mean that he was Thomas Francis?
RosemaryJoan
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Does this mean that he was Thomas Francis?
RosemaryJoan
He seems to have been on his death record April 1947 Cork, but there was only one Thomas Francis I found on rootsireland, and he had different parents. Most of his life he seems to have been just Thomas, or Thomas F.
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What were the christian names of Thomas F's male grandparents? You will have them on the marriage of his parents. I have to say, I'm running out of ideas.
RosemaryJoan
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Joseph Murphy and Thomas Treacy. It could be that they just didn't register his birth anywhere.
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Going by the family naming patterns, which were common in the 1880s, then the Joseph born in 1882 was the first child, named after the father's father, and then Thomas, the second child, after the mother's father, third child after Paul, etc.. If the Joseph born 1882 was baptised, then I would think that they had Thomas baptised (somewhere!!)
RosemaryJoan
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But Joseph appear to be younger going by the Census,
I got his Josephs birth-cert born a number of weeks back, born 1888 . (Joseph being my grandfather)
Thomas died in 1947 aged 62.
Joseph died in 1959 aged 71.
Thomas had a commision as Captain in the Connaght Rangers ww1,
though served with a Welsh Regiment for the duration. (from his obit, Munster Express 25-4-1947)
Waiting to hear if his service number\record still exists.
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There was an earlier Joseph born to the same parents in 1882 who must have died. Just found this on Family Search
Name: Thomas Murphy
Event Type: Birth
Event Date: Apr - Jun 1884
Event Place: Newcastle, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year: Apr - Jun 1884
Registration District: Newcastle
Age:
Birth Year (Estimated):
Mother's Maiden Name:
Volume Number: 5
Page Number: 541
GS Film number: 101060
Digital Folder Number: 004193461
Image Number: 00161
I am assuming that this is Newcastle, Co. Down. ????
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findmypast.ie, has it down as Newcastle, Limerick same reference numbers.
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Darn it.
RosemaryJoan
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Hi The earlier Joseph Murphy, was the first child, have found baptism and death fopr a 3yr old. Listing Cath. Murphy as mother, Son os a Stone Cutter. Mayor's Walk, Waterford City address. Thank you for that Rosemary Joan.