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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: David2609 on Wednesday 23 April 14 12:29 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am trying to trace the marriage of my 2X great grandparents Robert Lillico and Mary Hay. Robert was born in 1829 in Lowick and Mary in 1830 in Doddington. I have looked at the local archives at Woodhorn but cannot find it and cannot find it on Ancestry. I have found their baptisms and can trace the family from 1861 to 1911. The only baptism I have been able to find at Woodhorn is for a son Robert at Warkworth in 1859. My direct descendant is their son John Lillico. I have his birth certificate which confirms his parents names.
Any help or advice would be gratefully received.
Thanks
David
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Have you looked at irregular boarder marriages its possible they nipped across the boarder and had their marriage there
This seems to be the most complete list of all the places for irregular boarder marriages
http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/files1/family-records/irregular-border-and-scottish-runaway-marriages.pdf
On a separate point looking at the 1911 census Mary although a widow says she had been married 59 years. Going by her age what I think she actually means is she got married 59 years ago so suggesting a marriage around 1852 which would fit in with her and Robert's ages and the birth of their first (?) child c1853
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Was Ellen their first child?
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Hi a real puzzle, of course they may never have married, is this Robert in 1851?
Robert LYLICO 21 occ Ag Lab b Lowick in Belford district
Census ref HO107/2420/239/13
Keyboard86
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I have Robert in 1851 as Robert Lylies as a servant. Their first child was Mary although in one census it has Ellen as the first child. Going through all of the census' from 1861 to 1901 it states they had 14 children. In the 1911 census Mary says that she had 9 children and 2 had died. I have found the two that died. The extra 5 children were probably grandchildren.
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Freebmd Dec 1862
There is a Wiliam Lillico with a Mary Hay on the same page
Lillico William Berwick 10b 475
Was Robert a middle name >:(
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I do not know if Robert was a middle name or if it is another Mary Hay. I have 2 birth certificates for 2 sons that do not mention William. I do not have his death certificate yet. He died in 1898 in Chevington. He was buried at St Mary's. We have been to the graveyard but cannot find the grave. It is possible that there was no headstone or over time has disappeared.
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There is a death notice in the Morpeth Herald 26th November 1898
At Togston Terrace 20th inst, aged, 69, Robert Lillico, beloved husband of Mary Lillico
No help with the marriage though!
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Did you look in both St. Johnīs churchyard and the municipal cemetery? Most of the surviving stones in the churchyard are leaning against the wall and are very overgrown. The municipal cemetery is very large with many sections so it would be easy to miss a grave.
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You may find this useful. MI transcriptions for St. Johnīs. It includes a Martha Lillico. Does she belong to you?
http://www.fusilier.co.uk/broomhill_northumberland/monumental_inscriptions/st_johns_churchyard.html
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I looked in both. I am going to go back to the municipal graveyard as I did not get to look at all the graves. At least 4 of Robert Lillico's daughters are stated as being buried at St John's as well as his wife. It was difficult to look at all the graves in the churchyard.
Martha Lillico is not in my line at the moment. I have only gone back as far as my 3 x great grandfather who was born in 1798. I am still trying to find evidence of his baptism. He was called Robert.
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For a marriage around 1852-ish, there was no need for a non-Conformist to go to Scotland to get married, they could use their local Presbyterian or Methodist chapel. Alternatively an RC place of worship or register office.
I checked to see where Mary Hay was on the 1851 census, but there are a few of them born in the right area and time, so no clues there.
Have you checked all the marriages in non-Con chapels near Lowick and Doddington? Their first child appears to have also been born in Lowick. Robert is an ag lab so possibly moved every year from farm to farm.
"Needle in haystack" time, but it could still be there.
Gen
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I have checked most of the non conformist registers. Robert Lillico and his siblings were baptised as Presbyterians and I think that I found Mary Hay's baptism as Anglican. The only baptism I have found of their children has been the eldest son Robert. I have been to find the grand children's baptisms even the ones that were born out of wedlock. I may have to go to Berwick to check some of the records. Most of my research has been done at Woodhorn. I have also been advised to go to the Central library at Newcastle.
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Donīt underestimate how creative our north Northumbrian ancestors were with respect to picking churches. My lot lived in Lowick and Kyloe and I still keep finding them popping up in strange churches around the area. Think I have trawled through about 40-50 sets of records and some of them are still hiding :)
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Hi David2609.
I am descended from Richard Lillico who was born in 1754, he died in Ness Street Berwick upon Tweed in October 1834 and he was buried on the 7/10/ 1834 in Holy Trinity church Berwick and his occupation is Husbandsman.
He married Mary Ray on the 18th of may 1788 in Lowick, she was born 1758 in Lowick. she died on the 13th of September 1852 in Riffington of old age.
Richard and Mary had 3 children:-
1 Mary born 1789
2 Thomas born 17th of April 1793 in Norham, he died on the 5th of May 1873 in Shoreswood Hall and it then says that he was buried in 1821 ( 52 years earlier?) in St Michael and all Angels Ford.
He married Ann Hush on the 15th of April 1821 in Norham.
3 Richard Lillico born 18th Sept 1801 in Norham, died 1897 in Newcastle he married Belilah Lillico who died in1879.
I am descended from Mary born 1789.
I have no Robert Lillico in my information, I hope this is of some help, the family seems to be from the Norham,Ford, Lowick and Ancroft area of Northumberland,
I then descend through the Anderson and Gray family.
regards Malcolm
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He married Mary Ray on the 18th of may 1788 in Lowick, she was born 1758 in Lowick. she died on the 13th of September 1852 in Riffington of old age.
Richard and Mary had 3 children:-
1 Mary born 1789
2 Thomas born 17th of April 1793 in Norham, he died on the 5th of May 1873 in Shoreswood Hall and it then says that he was buried in 1821 ( 52 years earlier?) in St
3 Richard Lillico born 18th Sept 1801 in Norham, died 1897 in Newcastle he married Belilah Lillico who died in1879.
regards Malcolm
Hi - Im a bit confused by the references above, in the census of 1891 Thomas Lillico & Agnes Park have a daughter called Bellilah Agnes Lillico born in 1867. My Grandmother was called Bellilah Agnes Smailes and I had traced the name to this family but your reference doesn't seem to agree with this. Was Lillico her maiden name too?
Thanks.
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You may find this useful. MI transcriptions for St. Johnīs. It includes a Martha Lillico. Does she belong to you?
http://www.fusilier.co.uk/broomhill_northumberland/monumental_inscriptions/st_johns_churchyard.html
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Here also are the burial records for St Johns cemetery. There are a few from Togston Terrace including a Robert Lillico aged 68 died 1898
http://www.fusilier.co.uk/broomhill_northumberland/st_johns_chevington_churchyard_burials.html
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He married Mary Ray on the 18th of may 1788 in Lowick, she was born 1758 in Lowick. she died on the 13th of September 1852 in Riffington of old age.
Richard and Mary had 3 children:-
1 Mary born 1789
2 Thomas born 17th of April 1793 in Norham, he died on the 5th of May 1873 in Shoreswood Hall and it then says that he was buried in 1821 ( 52 years earlier?) in St
3 Richard Lillico born 18th Sept 1801 in Norham, died 1897 in Newcastle he married Belilah Lillico who died in1879.
regards Malcolm
Hi - Im a bit confused by the references above, in the census of 1891 Thomas Lillico & Agnes Park have a daughter called Bellilah Agnes Lillico born in 1867. My Grandmother was called Bellilah Agnes Smailes and I had traced the name to this family but your reference doesn't seem to agree with this. Was Lillico her maiden name too?
Thanks.
Follow up...... Sorry - my mistake, seems the name goes back to Bellilah Hardy...maiden name was Hardy not Lillico.