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On a few separate trees on my family I've found records which name relatives as Mary, but on different records the same women are named Isabella.
Was it common for Isabella to change to Mary (or vice versa)? A nickname maybe?
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Presumably Ancestry trees?
Which are notorious for errors and inaccuracies! ;D
I have never known Isabella shortened to Mary - it's usual to shorten it to Bella.
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Agree with KGarrad. Suspect these are errors and not facts.
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Not unless she was born as Isabella Mary. Never trust other peoples research - always do your own. Do these trees offer any documentary proof to support that Isabella and Mary are one and the same person?
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The information is from records on scotlandspeople.
For one of them...
On her own marriage certificate she's called Mary, but on her daughters marriage she's named as Isabella (all other information is exact).
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This is the second or third separate family which I've found Isabella/Mary crossovers. Just wondered if anyone else had come across the same.
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What were her christian name(s) on her own birth record/certificate? 1891 census shows her as Mary aged 30 b Glasgow
If she was born as Isabella Mary - she may have alternated between the 2 christian names on her own and her daughters marriage certs
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Good idea, I haven't researched her much because she's only related by marriage. Thanks.
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My wife is a granddaughter of Isabella Dias. The story that was handed down by her mother was that Mary McGill met an untimely death from pneumonia (we believe around 1893?) and Joseph gave his children up for an adoption of sorts. I found a record indicating that he remarried a Christina Weir in 1907, but I haven't been able to confirm that.
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Hi Alfred. I have copies of both of Joseph marriages (and a few others), I sent you a PM.
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This is the second or third separate family which I've found Isabella/Mary crossovers. Just wondered if anyone else had come across the same.
Hi Heatherrr
Haven't really come across that combination with names :-\
What were Mary/Isabella's parents' names from her marriage or death certs? I can see her 1881 entry I think, working as a factory girl and living with parents Peter and Mary Ann McGill at 118 Abercromby in Calton, Glasgow.
Monica
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Struggling to find Isabella/Mary's birth, but wondered whether this was her 1871 entry. From transcript, original image would help:
(Female) Mcgill 30 Formerly Steam Loom Weaver b. Ireland
James Mcgill 12 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VQQZ-4NY
May Mcgill 10
Helen Mcgill 5
Maria Mcgill 1 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQWC-D23
Henry Mcgill 1 month ? https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F7MP-DV2
Address: 594 Gallowgate, Bridgeton/Glasgow
I thought this then fitted with 1881 at 118 Abercromby, Calton:
Peter McGill 43 General Dealer In Cattle b. Ireland
Mary Ann McGill 41 b. Ireland
James McGill 22 General Dealer In Cattle
Mary McGill 20
Helen McGill 15
Mariah McGill 12
Henry McGill 7...first Henry must have died https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQJ9-YY5
Margaret McGill 5
John McGill 4
Patrick McGill 2
Monica
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Thanks Monica, I'll look that over and compare with what I have. I'm sure her name was Mary and that Isabella was just a mistake. I haven't looked for her birth but I looked for her death and couldn't find anything.
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Heather, I went back and added some birth links to the census entries. Still can't find Mary/May/Isabella's birth on IGI/family search. Sure it will be on SP though. They went on to have a Maria in 1869 though (sometimes happens nevertheless that names doubled up).
Her father showed as Patrick...a common variant of Peter...on some of the children's birth indexes www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?action=search2&search_name=peter
Monica
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I tried looking on SP and couldn't find her death using any variations. I'll keep looking, thank you.
I have another Mary in my tree (who could be called Isabella). Was just wondering if it was a common mistake/name change.
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A good family set for 1861:
Michael Mcgill 45 carter b. Ireland
Margaret McGill 43 wife b. Ireland
James McGill 25 son carter b. Ireland
Sally McGill 21 Daughter-in-law b. Ireland
Catherine McGill 6 Weeks grandchild b. Glasgow
Patrick McGill 23 son Out Door Labourer b. Ireland
Mary McGill 20 Daughter-in-law b. Ireland
James McGill 3 grandchild b. Glasgow
Mary McGill 8 Months grandchild b. Glasgow
Bernard McGill 20 son carter b. Ireland
Mary McGill 17 daughter silk weaver b. Ireland
Michael McGill 5 son b. Glasgow
Address: 22 Graeme Sqr, Glasgow/High Church
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Re Isabella/Mary, the original issue, not one I have ever come across and I am quite open to variants on names over the years of researching ::) But always something new, so never exclude really...
Regarding a death, Alfred Koos mentions a possible death for her in 1893. Hopefully he can add further.
Monica
Added: Marriage for Mary Ann and Patrick McGill here https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTYS-NXP
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Those census seem to fit. Her parents on her marriage cert are Patrick & Mary Ann, thanks.
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Heather, not sure where you are based...
Regarding the question marks on the family through the 1890s, poor relief application records may be your way forward. These provide unique information, not available elsewhere. They are only available to view/search for in person at the Mitchell Library in Glasgow.
1901 here, for background to this post. Guess Joseph shows as a widower on the original image?:
Margaret Buchanan 38 Cookery Assistant Public School b. Glasgow
James Buchanan 14
William Buchanan 17
Margaret Dias 67 mother b. Glasgow
Joseph Dias 40 brother butcher b. Glasgow
Isabella Dias 10 niece b. Glasgow
Address: 5 King Street, Glasgow/Calton
A short film here on what is available, from youtube - www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew5Le5QpKxk&index=15&list=PLsH04lz042gczqH-IOL3upZKJ9f1Ahu1Q This is Part 6. Part 5 is the other one that is relevant for Poor Relief Apps, see www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,522720.0.html for summary of all the films - Part 5 now available here, www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3gynoyk05Q
Monica
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Great, thanks Monica. I live in Glasgow so Mitchell library isn't far.