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Has anyone researched the ownership of Bovagh? I see that for a time it was owned (or rented?) by the gentry Jones family. Theobald Jones was MP for county Londonderry in the 1830s; they descended from a marriage between Theophilus Jones and a Beresford woman, so perhaps it came as inheritance or dowry from the Beresford estate? Interestingly they also had distant links to the family of Theobald Wolfe Tone. There are quite a few references to them in Google Books.
Theobald Jones had been in the navy, which I find possibly significant. My ancestor Robert Brown(e) seems to have had some connection with Bovagh; caretaker? tenant of part of the land? and he is said to have been in the militia. I am fairly sure that Robert Brown's brother had been in the navy and retired to a farm in Boveedy; at least, I have no proof that they were brothers but I would like to prove it!
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Hi,
The Beresford family became substantial land owners I the northern half of Co. Londonderry. They became the Earls of Tyrone and eventually the Marquis of Waterford. They held the lands in Londonderry from about 1650 to 1900.
Regards
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LindeL- I am also a descendant of Robert Brown of Bovagh through his daughter Martha Brown who married Thomas Hogg. Have you any information you can share with me, I did find his marriage to Jane Henery but that's about all I have other than their burial place. This is a recent discovery for me as I just stumbled upon my 3rd great grandparents marriage announcement in Belfast Newsletter.
Cheryl
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Robert Brown of Bovagh had at least eight daughters. What sort of information are you looking for?
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Any information on the family at all, the names of those other daughters, Robert's parents if known. Basically any information I can get on this Brown family at all. This is a very recent discovery for me and the first time I am actually able to trace any of my family members to where they were born in Ireland.
Pretty much before this I only had their immigration records to the US on the ship "Speed" in 1848. Ive been able to find Robert Brown and Jane Henery's marriage and their burial plce but thats about all I have. I have no experience researching in Ireland.
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Need a little bit of time to do some typing ;)
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Sweet! They've been lost to me this long...take your time LOL I'm extremely grateful for anything you can tell me :D
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Here's a start-
Robert Brown (c1784-2 Feb.1867 Bovagh), Bovagh House, m. Jane (c1785-16 Dec.1867).
Robert Brown was caretaker in Bovagh Castle for the Beresfords until Hezlets came. In 1832 Robert Brown leased another farm in Bovagh and in 1871 when the Marquis of Waterford’s estate was for sale it was still held by the representative of Robert Brown, although the lease had expired in Jan.1871.
1831 census- Bovagh: Robert Brown 1 male, 8 females, 1 male servant (9 Presbyterian, 1 R.C.)
1836 Valuation- Bovagh: Robert Brown house £2.16.0
Coleraine Chronicle, 9 Feb.1867: DEATH- At Bovagh, on the 2nd inst., Mr. Robert Brown, aged 83 years.
1. Jane Brown, 2nd dau., m.(Dec.1832) Malcolm McQuigg, Agivey.
Belfast Newsletter, 7 Dec.1832: MARRIED- On Friday last by the Rev. James Brown, Garva, Mr. Malcolm M’Quigg, of Agivey, Linen Manufacturer, to Jane, second daughter of Robert Brown, Esq., Bovagh Castle, county Londonderry.
2. Martha Brown, 3rd dau., m.(14 Sept.1832) Thomas Hogg, Caheny.
3. Nancy Brown m.(12 Jan.1844 Moneydig Presbyterian Church) David Torrens.
Belfast Newsletter, 23 Jan.1844: MARRIED- On the 12th inst. by the Rev. P.R. , Moneydig, Mr. David Torrance, son of Mr. James Torrance, Coolnaman, to Nancy daughter of Mr. Robert Brown, Bovagh.
4. Rachel Brown, 8th dau., m.(24 Apr.1843 Bovagh Castle) Hugh Torrens.
Belfast Newsletter, 5 May 1843: MARRIED- On the 24th ult., at the residence of the bride’s father, by the Rev. P.R. Killough, Presbyterian Minister, Moneydig, Mr. Hugh Torrance, of Mayoghill, to Rachel, eighth daughter of Mr. Robert Brown, Bovagh.
5. Elizabeth Brown (c1818-18 Feb.1865) m.(29 Mar.1848 Moneydig Presbyterian Church) John Kennedy, Caheny.
?6. Sarah Ann Brown m.(1840) Torrens Alexander, Mayoughill
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The Will of Robert Brown late of Bovagh County Londonderry Farmer deceased who died 2 February 1868 at same place was proved at Londonderry by the oath of John Kennedy of Bovagh (Moneydig Garvagh) Farmer the Executor.
If you click on 'image' the will has not been copied out as was usually the case but a John Quigg apparently lodged the Will for safekeeping. Granted 25 Nov.1876.
www.proni.gov.uk
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Wow! Thank you so much!!
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Martha Brown Hogg had 8 daughters of her own as well as 3 sons. It appears that she named them all after her sisters
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What were the names of all her daughters? (might help me find all the Brown girls in local records)
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Nancy Hoag
1835 –
Jane Brown Hoag
1837 – 1921
Thomas Hoag
1838 – 1923
Mary Hoag
1838 – 1908
I checked out his will and it also names a daughter Peggy so maybe Margaret and a daughter Marey? And I should have mentioned at some point the family name of Hogg became Hoag. Most of their children were born in Ireland, Rachel was born at sea on the journey to the U.S., those after her were born in NYC
David T. Hoag
1841 – 1891
Robert Brown Hoag
1844 – 1905
Elizabeth Hoag
1845 – 1881
Rachel Hoag
1848 – 1881
Matilda Hoag
1853 – 1894
Sarah Hoag
1855 – 1910
Marie Louisa Hoag
1860 – 1912
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Hello Jerseyties
I have a few more bits of info. Obviously I have a lengthy family tree of Nancy Brown's descendants, of whom I am one! Malcolm McQuigg and his wife died in Dundas Co., Ontario, she in 1892 aged 76. I have her as Jane or Margaret Jane. I show a Mary Brown marrying Thomas Hazlett and with at least one son called Robert. {Aghadowey, what do you think about this?) Several of the families of descendants made sure to have a "Robert Browne" as one of the sons. My great uncle told me that there were 11 daughters "who all married locally"! think what that does to trying to find relatives. Certainly my grandfather was related to half of Aghadowey/ Garvagh, and a generation later people were getting mixed up and had forgotten. Certainly when Hugh Torrens of Mayoghil made a point of coming to funerals in our line of Torrenses, my mother's generation were puzzled because he wasn't a close connection through the Torrenses, but clearly I now know the connection was through the Browns
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I believe I have at least 8 of the daughters listed in my tree so far. I wish I had the International version of Ancestry so I could see the entries for the marriages in The Belfast Newsletter listing a Robert Brown as the father. Seems for a few of them he listed the number of the daughter..my 3rd gr grandmother Martha Brown was mentioned as third daughter of Robert Brown, Esq.,At least two of the others are numbered lol for lack of a better term for it. Hopefully he numbered them all in their marriage announcements. :)
With the help of our friend "aghadowey" I was able to see a copy of Robert's will. My Martha was already dead by then. She died in 1865 but one of her daughters Jane B. Hogg (Jane Brown Hogg/Hoag) is mentioned. My mother once told me we had relatives by the name of Brown but wasn't putting any of it together..Her mother was a Hoag.
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I was wondering what you thought about this, being Robert's parents and siblings (family 48). This is from 1796
(A list of the names of the respective towns families and individuals belonging to the presbyterian congregation of Garvagh as taken by James Brown in his course of visiting from the 19th January 1796) -keeping in mind that Robert and Jane (Henery) Brown were married at First Garvagh Presbyterian Church and were buried in Moneydig Presbyterian. Under the families listed for Moneydig, there are three Brown families..Only one with a Robert Brown:
Moneydig C 88 16 is a village 1/2 mile west of Culnamen on the road to Garvagh.
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202 William Murrell
203 Mary Murrell
204 Robert Murrell
Sam DO
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205 Hugh Brown
206 Jennet Brown
207 John Brown
208 Mary Brown
209 Margrat Brown
210 Hugh Brown
211 Jennet Brown
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212 Alexander Brown
213 Martha Brown
214 Samuel Brown
215 Mary Brown
216 John Brown
217 Martha Brown
218 Alexr Brown
219 Robert Brown ****
220 David Brown
221 Jean Brown
222 Thomas Brown
223 Margrat Brown
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224 John Brown
225 Martha Brown
226 William Brown
227 Martha Brown
228 William Scott
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What you've copied is a transcription done from copies and not the original notebook and there certainly are lots of errors in that information. My transcription taken from the original notebook is packed away for the foreseeable future so I can't say if what you've pasted is complete or other Browns are listed.
Bear in mind that marriages usually take place in the bride's church so it may only have been Jane's family who attended 1st Garvagh. Neighbours of the Browns did attend Aghadowey Presbyterian Church but unfortunately that records start much later than 1st Garvagh.
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Thanks, just trying to nail down the areas the family may have lived in. Robert's census and newspaper articles said Bovagh but this was in 1831. Haven't a clue if any of these places are remotely near each other. The forename Alexander does show up in my Hogg family as Thomas/Martha's son David my 2nd gr grandfather names a son Alexander but this could very well have been a name in the Hogg family, since I don't know who Thomas Hogg's parents were.
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Hello all
Re locating Robert Brown. First of all Moneydig is one townland of many in the area with Browns living in it. The Presbyterian church called Moneydig was a new foundation in 1835 so families who ended up attending Moneydig would have been listed in other congregations before then. After 1835 Browns who lived in the townland of Moneydig might or might not have attended Moneydig church, there were other options for them. Robert Brown is in Bovagh and attending Moneydig church at the end of his life but may not have been born there. So looking just at Moneydig may be a bit of a red herring.
I have been trying to link "my", (now "our" )Robert Brown into a family of Browns who started out in Trinaltinagh and attending First Garvagh. This was the family that produced Dr John Brown of Aghadowey and also other prominent ministers, doctors and later even a notable artist. The Garvagh visitation (incidentally carried out by many times great uncle James Brown, who is my relative on the paternal, co. Antrim side!) shows Samuel and Elizabeth in Trinaltinagh. John Brown is known to have been in this family and is there in 1796. I am trying to post this without access to emails, since I can't open email without losing this post! So I can't quite recollect the details here; John Brown says he was fifth or sixth son of this family but if he was, there is a missing name in the 1796 list. There is room in the listing for a son to be away from home. My /our Robert would have been the age to have been away as a naval ship's boy or a young soldier. Other Trinaltinagh Browns have military careers in the Londonderry Militia; I have found them listed as quartermaster and such in the early 1800s. If Robert had had a military career of whatever sort, he would have been a very likely candidate to be appointed a caretaker by a gentry family when he retired. A farmer who had been farming on his own farm all his life might not have been keen to move to a caretaking role, and if for example a lifelong farmer had failed in farming he would not have been appointed. SO I think Robert for whatever reason floated back into Aghadowey area and MAY have been known to gentry who would have been involved in military careers/ militia, or could have taken a recommendation from an army officer after the wholesale disbandments after the Napoleonic wars
Finally I have a note somewhere about a document in PRONI that shows Robert Brown standing surety for a bond of #150 in a transaction between Thomas Hogg of Caheny and Robert Hezlett the landowner of Bovagh, in the 1830s, when that was a lot of money
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I'll have to look at that one since this Thomas Hogg mentioned would probably be my 3rd gr grandfather who married Robert's daughter Martha. I know I've found records of another Thomas Hogg also in Caheny so not sure and my Thomas Hogg/Hoag's death certificate in NYC lists his parents as Thomas Hoag/ Mary, but unsure if this 4th gr grandfather Thomas lived in Caheny at all. I have nothing yet except his name and his wife Mary (no maiden listed) on my 3rd gr grandfathers death cert.
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Hello, I am another distant relative, great granddaughter +++ Robert Brown and Jane Henery. My Relative was Sarah Hoag (my great grandmother) who was daughter of Martha brown Hogg and Thomas Hogg. Jersey ties and I have been communicating for over a year now. We are distant cousins!
I noted in your last post that Robert Brown stood surety for $150 for Thomas Hogg of Caheny with Robert Hezlett landowner of Borough in the 1830s. Thomas Hogg married Roberts 3rd daughter Martha my great great grandmother. My relative Thomas Hogg was from Caheny per the marriage announcement. We know they emigrated to New York in 1848. Maybe this $150 was for land to farm? Do we know any more information on Thomas Hogg or his family? This is very exciting!
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LindeL Hi I have just joined this chat page today and despite our e-mails exchanges, I should add that my ggggrandfather, Lieutenant William Brown of the Londonderry Militia married Elizabeth Bennett of County Limerick in 1809. He lived at Trinaltinagh Garvagh. I read somewhere recently that the Militias usually were sent at 100 miles from their home areas, primarily to guard the coastal areas to let regular forces fight overseas. This would explain my William marrying a County Limerick lady!! A recent e-mail from a " cousin" in Garvagh also explained the need to deal with the Emmet Rebellion of 1803, primarily in Dublin but also Leinster regards T
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Hello: I ran across these postings and so have joined this group. I descend from the Brown family of Moneydig, one of which was Robert Brown of Bovagh. I am seeing any information about this family.
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Hello Erawan good to find another relative. What way are you connected? Are you definitely related to Robert Brown of Bovagh; there are also Browns in Moneydig td I think. Who may well be related, we don't know. Just to recap; my Robert Brown was of the td of Bovagh in the 1830s, he died in the 1860s. He had a number of daughters, no sons as far as I know. His 8 or so daughters married locally but some emigrated. Mrs McQuigg and Mrs Hogg are known to have emigrated. My ancestor was Robert Brown's daughter Nancy who married David Torrens of the Carragh, in Culnaman td. She is my gt gt grandmother. Other local families already connected various ways through Torrenses and so on are further connected through the Browns. Aghadowey and others have posted a lot of interesting info.
Brown/ Browne is all too common, but I would like to be able to link my Bovagh family into a family from Trinaltinagh, who produced the famous Dr John Brown of Aghadowey and other notables. No proof, just guessing, based on an apparent overlap, in that they and my Robert seem to have shared miiltary type careers
Linde
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Hi from Irish Lynn,
My relative through Robert Brown was Martha Brown Hogg. She married Thomas Hogg off Caheny. Their daughter was Sarah Hogg who was born in New York.
She was my Great Great Grand daughter. Will continue soon.
Sarah married Thomas Boyd Heaney in New York City.
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Thank you for the replies to my initial message. I am in America, and descend from Samuel Brown (1772-1834) who was married to Letitia Canning (1783-1879). Samuel Brown was the elder brother of Robert Brown (1784-1867). Samuel Brown was my third great-grandfather. I am trying to establish who the parents of Samuel and Robert Brown were. In the enumeration ("visitation") of 1796 for the First Garvagh Presbyterian Church (Household #48) there is listed an Alexander Brown (with Martha brown probably being his wife) and then numerous children, including Samuel and Robert. These families all lived in and around the Townland of Moneydig. I DO know that Robert Brown, brother of Samuel Brown, was the caretaker for the Marquis of Waterford at Bovagh House. At times, these families used the spelling of the surname as "Brown" and at others, "Browne". This adds a bit of confusion, as well as the fact that the surname "Brown(e)" was very prolific in that part of Northern Ireland! Any and all information would be greatly appreciated...
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Hi Again. I am in the USA too. We must be distant cousins! If Samuel and Robert were brothers and the sons of Alexander and Martha that would make sense. Roberts wife was Jane Henery who was from Garvaugh. These areas were all very close to each other. Robert Brown, my Great Great plus grandfather only had daughters. His 3rd daughter was Martha Broown (probably named after her mother). I do know he was the caretaker for the Bovaugh Castle.
Martha Brown Hogg immigrated in 1848 with husband Thoomas Hogg and about 8 children to New York City. They had another 4 children in New York, one of which was my Great Grandmother, Sarag Hogg Heaney.
I think, but am not sure Robert and Samuel's father was Alexannder. I will check out my tree when I get home and see if I have More on their parents. Talk Soon!
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I am not sure if we are all on the same page with these Browns. There are several families all in the same area all with the same names and all at the same time. They are probably related but who knows how. My ancestor Robert Brown of Bovagh died 1867 definitely had a number of daughters. He was definitely caretaker of Bovagh castle. The fact that he was a caretaker (ie living there, maintaining it, probably keeping the farm going) suggests to me that he had not been a farmer all his life, and also suggests that he may have been known to the gentry families who owned Bovagh. Hence I think it likely that he was indeed a former member of the militia. His wife was Jane Henry or Henery.
However, whether he is the same as a Robert Brown who was in Moneydig in the Garvagh congregational census, son of Alexander and Martha, and brother of Samuel, is not proven; he may have been, but I would advise not assuming that Samuel and Robert are brothers, or that Robert fits into the Alexander and Martha family. Too big a jump I think.
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In 1961, a first cousin of my grandmother - one Genevieve Brown - made an extensive visit to Northern Ireland. Her intention was to investigate the "family history" and to contact living relatives there, etc. This she did. Later on, in March of 1977, she (Genevieve) was in touch with a Mrs. Mary Torrens Johnston (then age 92). She (Mary) was the granddaughter of Mary Brown Torrens, who in turn was the daughter of one Robert Brown. This Robert Brown was the younger brother of one Samuel Brown - the father of Hugh Brown. In the 1977 correspondence, it seems the daughter-in-law of Mrs. Torrens was putting together a "family tree" going back as far as the parents of Robert and Samuel Brown. I would also mention that all of the family of Samuel Brown were educated and literate persons - uncommon for the time - and many were teachers and clergymen.
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Hello again, your background story is very interesting! Mary Torrens Johnston was my great aunt Mary Ann, and she was indeed the granddaughter of a daughter of Robert Brown; Nancy Brown married David Torrens. I just wish recording technology had been available more readily, when people from that generation were still here to be interviewed. aunt Mary Ann was a remarkable person, and I would love to hear her voice again.
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Often I find the world smaller than we might at first imagine! Looking into the "Brown's" (as you previously mentioned - is a challenge, since there are so many of them! Different families, living in close proximity - and using similar given names. Have you any idea who the "daughter-in-law" was that was putting together the "family tree"? I also had understood that some of the relations of Robert Brown had immigrated to America (which is discussed in some other "posts" here.) Since in most all "listings" if families, the head-of- household is listed first, then his spouse; then children in descending order by age, from the 1796 "visitation list" Samuel is listed as the eldest - which is true according to family tradition. Also his birthdate is known - 1772 - , and Robert is #6 - his birthdate being 1784. This fits very well. And Mrs. Johnston was very certain that her great-grandfather and my Cousin Genevieve Brown's great-grandfather were brothers. One difficulty, of course, is the absence of any church records going back that far which would list (for example) the baptism of either Samuel or Robert, that would include the names of their parents. The only extant document of which I am aware, is the 1796 "visitation list" for the congregation of the original First Garvagh Presbyterian Church - to which the family of Alexander Brown belonged. Another hindrance is the fact that there are no "early" burial stones for any of these persons. Most of their deaths would have occurred prior to the building of the present church. I will look for additional correspondence to see if anything else appears.
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4 of Robert Brown/ Jane Henery's daughters married and left Ireland for America.
Jane Brown, who married Malcom McQuiig/McQuaig....(Belfast Newsletter, 7 Dec.1832: MARRIED- On Friday last by the Rev. James Brown, Garva, Mr. Malcolm M’Quigg, of Agivey, Linen Manufacturer, to Jane, second daughter of Robert Brown, Esq., Bovagh Castle, county Londonderry.) BIRTH 29 APRIL 1811 • Londonderry, Northern Ireland DEATH 27 AUGUST 1892 • Canada It is Mc Quaig on her tombstone.
Martha Brown my 3rd great-grandmother, married Thomas Hogg/Hoag 3rd daughter of Robert according to her marriage announcement
BIRTH ABT 1813 • Bovagh Castle, Londonderry,Ireland
DEATH FEBRUARY 14, 1865 • New York City, New York, USA
Margaret "Peggy" Brown
1816–1904
BIRTH 1816 • Londonderry,Ireland
DEATH 1904 • Cattaraugus County New York, USA married an Alexander Hoag (unknown if he is related to my ancestor Thomas Hoag)
Rachel Brown
1823–1906
BIRTH 17 OCTOBER 1823 • Londonderry, Northern Ireland
DEATH 5 MAR 1906 • Cattaraugus County, New York, USA married Hugh Torrance
Belfast Newsletter, 5 May 1843: MARRIED- On the 24th ult., at the residence of the bride’s father, by the Rev. P.R. Killough, Presbyterian Minister, Moneydig, Mr. Hugh Torrance, of Mayoghill, to Rachel, eighth daughter of Mr. Robert Brown, Bovagh.
There are several of us descendants of Thomas Hoag/ Martha Brown who have our DNA results on Ancestry...not sure if this test is available in Ireland.
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Thank you.."Jerseyties", as that information is helpful. Perhaps we can look into the other children of Robert and Jane. I believe Robert was born in 1784 and died in 1867. The person I had mentioned in my previous post was Mrs. Mary Torrens Johnston, would have been a Great-Granddaughter of Robert Brown through his (Robert's) daughter Nancy. What would be extremely helpful is if we could find a clear record of Robert Brown, his siblings, and his parents.
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I visited Mary Ann (Torrens) Johnston's daughter-in-law when she lived in Cullycapple but can't remember that Brown family being discussed. However, perhaps this will help-
1831 census- Caheny- Thomas Hogg (5 males, 2 females)
PRONI- copy of Will of Thomas Hogg dated 28 July 1834 in which the beneficiaries are his wife Molly, sons Thomas, Alexander & John, and daughters Jane & Mary.
Thomas Hogg married 14 Sept.1832 Martha Brown
Alexander Hogg*, a stonemason, married 1836 Margaret Brown
Eldest two sons Samuel & Robert served in the Civil War. In the book "Brothers One and All", Samuel Hogg is named as one of eleven soldiers deserving special mention as extraordinary survivors out of the thousand plus men who served in the 154th New York. According to the Roster of the 154th New York, Samuel Hogg was born 18 Dec.1839 Moneydig.
In N.Y. State, Alexander Hogg* lived next door to Hugh & Rachel (Brown) Torrance.
In Nov.1898 a local paper (have the details elsewhere) reported that Samuel Hoag (son of Margaret Brown) had gone to see his uncle Hugh Torrance who was seriously ill (he died 22 Nov.1898). Hugh Torrance was married to Rachel Brown- she died 5 Mar.1906 aged 82 years.
Have much more on the Brown family both here and in America, including four more daughters of Robert Brown.
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Hello again,
Exciting news . I did not know of the upstate New York relatives to Martha Brown Hogg and Thomas Hogg. They had settled in. New York City. These were obviously the sisters to Martha Brown and their families.
One of Martha Hoggs daughters was named Rachel (after Martha's sister). I do note many of the names are carried over into the next generation.
Since I have been concentrating on the Heaneys, I had stopped looking into the Browns and Hoggs! Thanks again Aghadewey!
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Just a brief outline-
Robert Brown (c1874-2 Feb.1867), Bovagh, m. Jane Henery? (c1785-16 Dec.1867). 8 daughters (not in exact order)-
1. Mary Brown m.(1826) Thomas Hazlett, Moneydig
2. Jane Brown, 2nd daughter (29 Apr.1811-27 Aug.1892) m.(Dec.1832) Malcolm McQuigg, Agivey
3. Martha Brown, 3rd daughter, (c1813-1865) m.(14 Sept.1832) Thomas Hogg, Caheny (prents Thomas & Mary)
4. Margaret "Peggy" Brown (4 Oct.1816-6 Nov.1904) m.(1836) Alexander Hogg, Caheny
5. Sarah Ann "Sally" Brown (c1818-17 Apr.1880) m.(1840) Torrens Alexander, Mayoughill
6. Nancy/Agnes Brown m.(12 Jan.1844) David Torrens
7. Elizabeth Brown (c1818-18 Feb.1865) m.(29 Mar.1848) John Kennedy, Caheny
8. Rachel Brown, 8th daughter, (17 Oct.1823-5 Mar.1906) m.(24 Apr.1843) Hugh Torrens
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Thank you so much for all those who share their information. The one daughter of Robert Brown - Nancy - who married David Torrens, was the Grandmother of the distant cousin, Mrs. Mary Ann Torrens Johnston, with whom my Cousin Genevieve Brown was in communication with. As was already mentioned in this 'thread", it is indeed unfortunate that our predecessors did not record more of their information and recollections! That would certainly have facilitated our efforts in this present age!
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Yes THANK YOU SO MUCH!
Most of my information had come from Ancestry and Jersey Ties (who found all of you)! My Grandmother - Ethel Boyd Heaney was an only child and her mother Sarah Hogg Heaney died in 1910! My grandmother was not even married yet.
I really did not have anyone to ask this of on my paternal side. My dad was Sarag Hogg Heaneys grandson. I have joined the Ulster Foundation and started going to workshops and mini conferences when they come to our area. I never knew so much of my side was from a very close geographical area in coleraine/Londonderry.
I have yet to get my DNA test as Jersey Ties has, but I plan to do this in the coming months. It sounds like many of us "may" nave some tie via a cousin relationship since there were 8 Brown daughters and Robert Brown was one of 6 or 7.
I have enjoyed doing Family research for 15 years, but had concentrated on my maternal side. Doing my dads side has been more challlenging, but these breakthroughs in the last 6 months have been wonderful! I do plan to come back to Ireland in the next year and come North. I have been 4 times, but only Dublin and Galway/West side. I am married to a man that is half Irish and all his relatives were from Tipperary and County Cllare.
If there is a way to share pictures, I would do so. I have a lovely picture of Sarah Hogg Heaney from about 1872 when she was young. It was my grandmothers.
Aghadowey, so appreciate your assistance with both sides, but the recent Heany information is amazing. Please let's all keep the three going. When I get the DNA results, I will let you all know.
Irish Lynn
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Meant to say let's keep the thread going. Seems like we are all related (while distantly) somehow.
Happy 4th of July to those of you in the USA!
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This is a page from Hugh Torrance and Rachel (Brown) Torrance's Bible and a link to her gravestone on Find A Grave
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Torrance&GSfn=Rachel&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=90135130&df=all&
This is her sister Jane Brown McQuaig's tombstone in Canada
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=McQuaig&GSfn=Jane&GSiman=1&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=92961050&df=all&
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What a lovely page and great to see the details included :)
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Yes, very interesting to see this. I am always amazed at the amount of information that can often be found at the "Find A Grave" site. In this "age of technology" so many more avenues of research have opened up! My return to genealogy was prompted by the discovery of long-lost information, as well as a "curiosity" to see if anyone still lived who had a connection to these 'long-lost" relations. Four of my direct Brown ancestors all immigrated to America (Alexander, Hugh and Thomas Brown - and their sister, Elizabeth (Eliza) Brown Orr) ; the rest stayed in Northern Ireland. It is very interesting to discover all of these "connections" again!
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found these articles on the Ancestry site..they are about Robert Brown and Jane Henery's daughter Margaret "Peggy" Brown and her husband Alexander Hoag. They give some interesting information on the family...neither article had dates or the name of the newspaper, although one seems to be an obituary for Alexander Hoag and his will was proved in 1911.
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Very important information in the newspaper articles! Very good of you to post these. A bit off the topic of Robert Brown specifically, however I was wondering if any of the posters knew something about any of the siblings of Robert Brown? Samuel (from whom I descend) was born in 1772, and was the eldest. Robert (born in 1784) was sixth. There was also Mary, John, Martha, Alexander, David, Jean, Thomas and Margaret. I believe the name of the parents were Alexander and Martha Brown (and Alexander would probably have been born around 1750 or so..)
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Alexander and Margaret (Brown) Hoag's tombstone in Burial:
Wildwood Cemetery
Salamanca
Cattaraugus County
New York, USA
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does anyone know if this will possibly still exists and if so how can we get a copy?
PRONI D668/146/2. 28 July 1832 Copy of will of Thomas Hogg. Beneficiaries wife Molly; sons Thomas, Alexander, John; daughters Jane, Mary. Executors; Cornelieus Foy [Toy] and Alexander Foy [Toy].
Note: Molly is a nickname for Mary.
If so it might explain a lot...Thomas marries Martha Brown, Alexander marries Margaret Brown, and Irish Lynn, does a John Hogg marry a Heaney? Really think this will could be important to our research.
We already know that Thomas Jr's parents were Thomas and Mary from his death cert posted earlier in this thread. Alexander's death cert (Hoag) should be available from NY State and may name his parents as well. We know he died in 1911.
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does anyone know if this will possibly still exists and if so how can we get a copy?
PRONI D668/146/2. 28 July 1832 Copy of will of Thomas Hogg. Beneficiaries wife Molly; sons Thomas, Alexander, John; daughters Jane, Mary. Executors; Cornelieus Foy [Toy] and Alexander Foy [Toy].
Note: Molly is a nickname for Mary.
There must be something in that PRONI file but not sure how much more detail will be shown.
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"Families of Western New York 1912" (page 216) has a lot of information on the Hoag family. Born in "Kenarry" should be Caheny of course.
Eliza, daughter of Samuel Brown of Moneydig, married George Orr the schoolmaster at Moneydig School where he taught between 1827 and 1849 when he moved to Ballinree School, Aghadowey. They lived at Meathpark (Ballybrittain townland) before emigrating in later life to Mt. Vernon, Missouri. Eliza's sister Letitia Brown was principal of Movanagher Girls School between 1862 and 1880.
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Hi,
Jersey Ties, you have done it again! Joan Hoag married Anne Heaney Hogg. They are buried next to Thomas Boyd Junior and Marggaret Ann Boyd and her parents. I have a copy of the cemetary plot purchases from 1851. The 4 people were John Hogg, Thomas Boyd, Andrew Ramsay and John Heaney (my other Great Greatt plus grand father whose grand daughter was Sarag Hogg Heaney).
I have noted in my tree that Anne Heaney Hogg and John Hogg had sons Thomas, Samuel, Alexander a daughter Isabella and Robert.
I also have in the Cemettary records that there was a grandson of John Hoag and Anne Heaney Hoag named Thomas Toye Hoag.
I am starting to think Jersey Ties that our Thams Hogg married to Martha Brown Hogg was the brother of John Hogg who married Anne Heaney Hogg. That means this will that you all discuss above may have been for Our Great Great
plus grand father Thomas and Mary (Molly).
I am out the next 2 days, but I will look at the cemetry plot ownership records and send all details of who is buried there. MANY Hoags, Boyds, McGraths.
This is amazing....
I will be in touch soon when I can pull out the plot ownership documents from Greenwood cemetary.
TBContinued...
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I'm still really interested in the Andrew Ramsey who had an interest in that grave plot as he might tie into my connection :)
Have lots more files on Hogg families which I can look though at some point.
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Aghadowey,
I do have a note from the cemetary that at some point Andrew Ramsay sold his portion to the other 3 owners. he is not actually buried in Greenwood. I will look to see what it lists for him and when he sold his portion.
Signing off for the next 2 days...
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There is an Andrew Ramsey buried in Green-Wood.
Birth: unknown
Death: Oct., 1895
Burial:
Green-Wood Cemetery
Brooklyn
Kings County (Brooklyn)
New York, USA
Plot: Lot 18170, Section 152
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Thanks for the Ramsey lead- gives me quite a bit more to follow up.
A bit of history for Bovagh Castle since that's what LindeL started this thread about-
In 1871 the Bovagh estate, then in the possession of the 5th Marquis of Waterford (a title first given to George de La Poer Beresford in 1789), was sold in the Encumbered Estates Court mainly by public sale although quite a few lots were disposed of by Private Contract. These townlands had been part of the large native freehold granted to Manus McCowy Ballagh O’Cahan in 1611. The O’Cahan’s had their ‘castle’ at Bovagh but like most of the freeholders lost their properties due to confiscation following native uprisings. The O.S. Memoirs say O’Cahan sold the property to Tristram Beresford for a horse, a fine suit of clothes and a trifling sum of money. It was certainly in the possession of Beresford when he made his Will dated 23 October 1647 leaving it to his grandson Randall. The O’Cahan lands acquired by Beresford eventually became the Waterford estate.
As absentee landlords go they were better than most and the rents were at a reasonable level. In the 1840’s they were accused of operating a clearance system which was actually intended to be the consolidation of farms. It involved compensating tenants in holdings too small to support them. They were paid their tenant right enabling them to emigrate to America and larger holdings were created as a result. At the time when many tenants earned their living by spinning and weaving they could manage on a few acres but when they had to fall back on agriculture their holdings were too small.
Prior to Robert Brown, Bovagh has had many interesting tenants. The Rev. Henry Barnard, Prebendary of Aghadowey 1763-1787, whose first wife was Mary Canning, daughter of Stratford Canning of Garvagh. They had a daughter Letitia who married Rev. Henry Hervey Aston Bruce 10 November 1786. Could there be a connection in any way to Mrs Brown? Bovagh may only have been a local address for Theobold Jones M.P.for county Londonderry and second cousin of the 3rd Marquis of Waterford. Bovagh Castle the residence of Langford Heyland was used as a military post at the time of the 1798 rebellion and the parade ground was in the castle grounds. Not long after the rebellion the troop became a dismounted or infantry corps. Edward McNaghten succeeded Langford Heyland at Bovagh Castle and took over as Captain of the 40 men of the Yeoman Infantry there. He had received his commission on 1st November 1803 which would have been signed by the Lord Lieutenant, or other chief Governor of Ireland at the time. After that came John Smith and Robert Brown as caretakers during which time it became greatly dilapidated.
It would be interesting to know if any of the Brown family was “paid to emigrate” as the townlands of Moneydig, Mayoghill, Caheny and Bovagh are all on the estate.
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There is a lot to write on all the people buried in Greenwood Cemetary, Lot 5014, Section 97.
The Lot book entry shows that on 4th of July, 1851, Lot 5014 in Section 97 was purchased by Thomas Boyd, John Heney (is Heaney), John Hogg and Andrew Ramsay.
Andrew Ramsay conveyed his interests in the Lot to John and Thomas T. Hogg on June 29, 1882. This John Hogg was the son of John Hogg and Ann Heaney Hogg because John Hogg senior had died in 1875 . Thomas T is Thomas Toye Hogg, born to John and Ann Heaney Hogg in 1858, died 1946 and is buried in this plot. John Hogg and Ann Heaney Hogg had at least 5 children that are buried here.
John Hogg Jr. - 1850-1940
Mary Ann - 1853-1854
Robert - 1856 - 1900 or after
Thomas Toye Hogg - 1858-1946
Samuel - 1860-1863
Alexander - 1862 - 1863
At the time Andrew Ramsay sold his portion of the land to John Hogg Jr. And Thomas T. Hogg he was living on 29 Clinton Street in Hoboken, New Jersey.
Another note is that Thomas Hogg and Martha Brown Hogg are buried in Lot 8100, Grave 576 with no stone. It is not near the Lot 5014 area either.
Sarah Hoag Heaney (daughter of Thomas and Martha Brown Hogg) married Thomas Boyd Heaney (son of John Heaney and Margaret Boyd Heaney). Sarah and her husband, the only living heir to John Heaney are buried in Lot 7639, grave 287 with Sarah's sister Matilda Hoag (another daughter of Martha and Thomas Hogg) . Matilda never married. There is a nice headstone with HEANEY and the 3 names underneath. My grandmother, Ether Boyd Heaney had that put in. She is buried in Fernwood Cemetary with her husband and son George and Herbert Miller.
There are 34 people buried in the original plot purchased by T Boyd, A Ramsay, J Heaney and J Hogg. 6 are last names of Boyd, 1 is last name of Aldridge, 4 are Heaneys, 18 are Hoag/Hogg and 4 are McGrath. All the McGraths were buried between 1856 and 1860. I do not know their connection to the 4 purchasers of the plot.
I will send more information soon. Greenwood Cemetary is a beautiful place. I have enjoyed going there and there is a Genealogical Department that is very helpful.
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There is a Nancy Ramsey buried in the same plot in Green-Wood as Andrew Ramsey..Also a daughter of A. Ramsey in the same plot....
Theres another Andrew Ramsey b. Jun. 14, 1833 d. Jul. 26, 1850 in Union Cemetery, Bergen Co., NJ with a sister Hannah 1831-1831 . Believe that would be Hoboken.
I'd like to track down the maiden of this Nancy, since we have a Nancy Hogg/Hoag, the only remaining child of Thomas and Martha Brown Hoag that I havent been able to track down.
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Just a few bits-
1878 directory- Hoboken: Andrew Ramsey, 29 Clinton, carpenter
1880 census- Hoboken, Hudson, N.J.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MN86-JHH
Andrew Ramsey, 45, Ire., carpenter
wife Margaret Ramsey, 40, Ire.
dau. Annie Ramsey, 22, Ire. (think she's the Nancy Ramsey buried in Green-Wood in Sept.1895)
1885 N.J. State Census-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6TJ6-GN2
Death- Andrew Ramsey, 71, b.Ire., re. 20 yrs in NJ, died 21 Oct.1895 Hoboken, NJ, wid.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FZ4B-2YK
Probate records 30 July 1897 Andrew Ramsey (there was a Will but I haven't found it yet)
Just to confuse matters more, there was at least one other Andrew Ramsey born in Ireland around the same time living in NY
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Hello! I've loved reading all this information! Mary Brown Hazlett, first daughter of Robert and Jane Brown, is my third great-grandmother. Mary married Thomas Hazlett (9 June 1803-14 March 1896) on March 26, 1826, and had 14 children. Their ninth child, Samuel (1846-1921) is my great-great-grandfather. He married Catherine Torrens and they had one son named Samuel, but later he married Nancey (Knox, maybe?) around 1875. Samuel and Nancey lived in Moneydig and also had 14 children, and of course, named all of their children after his siblings. Their tenth child, Mary (21 April 1889 - 26 Feb 1968), married my great-grandfather, Walter Smyth (18 August 1883-27 August 1964). Walter and Mary moved from Ireland to the Philadelphia area in 1907 and had two children. Then they came back to Ireland around 1915, had two more children (one of whom is my grandfather, William Smyth [4 October 1920-22 December 1984]), then in 1922, went back to PA and had another daughter.
I thought I'd try to fill in some blanks about Robert and Jane's children, especially since there didn't seem to be a lot of information about Mary Brown Hazlett. Not sure if it helps at all!
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Good to hear from another descendant. Something funny about family history; yesterday, not having looked at Rootschat in a month or more, I tidied my desk and found a note about the Brown-Hazlett marriage in a printout of an email from another Browne descendant; I realised I hadn't entered the new information, so I worked for an hour yesterday on them, filling in the gaps. Lo and behold, another email last evening, from the same correspondent, alerting me to the Rootschat new message. What is going on! Anyway, it's good to meet a relative. Those Hazletts are well linked into my Torrens lines already; now I see the relationship comes through the Browns as well. I will have a look again at what you say are two marriages to Torrens and Knox. Do you know who Catherine T.'s parents were? Also, where was Walter Smyth from?
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Welcome to Rootschat, jennabtn :)
Not sure if you have any of this from Barbara who visited us probably 10 years or so ago when Joe Smyth was alive but...
Walter Arthur Smith married Mary Morrison Hazlett (her parents both died 1921 so perhaps that's why they returned to America?), son of William Smith (17 Mar.1860-16 Aug.1924) & Mary Anne Johnston (22 June 1858-19 Oct.1940. William's parents were Walter Smith & Helen Smith (yes, her maiden name was Smith) from Scotland.
Have lots on the Hazletts but it's downstairs at the moment. Will try to remember to look out that file later.
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I have just realised that for some reason Rootschat hasn't been notifying me of posts in the threads that I have been following. So I haven't seen the other replies in this thread since the start of the summer at least. I'll take a while to look carefully at everything posted. Thanks everyone! (I had the Notify button appropriately marked, and up until now I did get notifications. Not sure what has gone wrong)
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Hello jennabtn It's nice to meet another cousin! I am descended from Martha Brown, the third daughter of Robert Brown and Jane Henery. Thanks for your information. I did have some of it already but not much on Mary's family that traveled to the US. Martha and her husband Thomas Hogg (Hoag in the US) and children immigrated to NYC in 1848. Ive been able to find most of Robert's daughters with the help of Irish Lynn also on this thread, and where they wound up. If you're an ancestry user I have my tree (public) listed under cheryl17854 both Irish Lynn and I have also done the DNA test with Ancestry as well. There are pictures of your Mary and Thomas online there....is that your tree?
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Hello Ladies and Aghadowey,
I am enjoying this Jones/Smyth/Haslett thread.
I am looking at expanding on my Shannon research with the following -
John SHANNON of Derrybeg farm .bc.1779.d10.6.1846 Derrybeg farm .Buried Old Drumachose.
mc.1817.
Maria HASLETT.bc..1783.d.1.4.1865Derrybeg farm .
[Derybeg Farm was situated on the Boleo road a few miles out of town.
Cheers
Jack Gee
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Hi Jennabtn,
Irish Lynn here. I am a relative of Robert Brown and Jane Henery Brown. Their 3rd daughter, Martha Brown married Thomas Hogg from Caheny and immigrated to New York City in 1848. Jersey ties and I are cousins via our great, great grandparents who were siblings and children of Thomas and Martha Brown Hoag. I am the great grand daughter of Sarah Hoag who was born here in the USA after the family immigrated. She married Thomas Boyd Heaney who was the son of John Heaney from Cullycapple. Welcome to the family! As Jersey ties mentioned , I have had my DNA test and my tree is public.
I would love to spend more time doing the research, but I still have a day job so have to grab time to work on this when I can. I will add your nfo. On Mary Brown and the Hazletts if I don’t have it. Thanks!
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Hello Jack this is more for you! than for us Brown descendants. Your townland name rang a bell. The late notable NI civil servant and genealogist John Oliver's family of Olivers were linked to Derrybeg. John Oliver did a lot of work on his ancestry and related families. I don't know where his notes etc might be but he did publish a few articles. Also his distant relative (also Oliver) is somewhat interested and I have or had a contact address for him.
I suppose possibly your Hasletts are related to the radical and interesting Haslett/ Hazlett/ Hazlitts? Of Drumneecy maybe, or Clooney?
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Mary married Thomas Hazlett (9 June 1803-14 March 1896)
Thomas Hazlett died 9 Dec.1889- https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1889/06155/4758568.pdf
It was Mary who died 14 Mar.1896-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1896/05910/4677457.pdf
He married Catherine Torrens and they had one son named Samuel, but later he married Nancey (Knox, maybe?) around 1875.
Samuel married (29 July 1875 1st Garvagh Presbyterian Church) Nancy Knox (d.13 Aug.1921), dau. of Adam Knox & Anne Gilmore.
Samuel Hazlett m.(1869) Catharine Torrens (died 1871, age 23)
1. Thomas Hazlett (15 Dec.1869)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03377/2237811.pdf
2. Catherine Mary Hazlett (7 Feb.1871)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1871/03314/2214638.pdf
There was a son Samuel from the 2nd marriage
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Hello LindeL,
i am interested in a number of your thread comments.
It is said that the Hasletts of Upper and Lower Drumnecy are related and also to the Bovevagh Hasletts.
Trying to expand on my Shannon Haslett connection - Maria [1783-1865] may have a brother Matthew [1780-?] and sister Jane [1787-1869].m.1824.John O'KANE.b.1781.d.1865.
I lot of this is speculation.
Oliver - Please PM for any contact details of an Oliver researcher.
I have a copy of an extensive Oliver tree that connects this family to others of the local area.
I am aware of John Oliver's research and have some of his material on tracking Planters ancestry back to Scotland. But i would like more information.
Cheers
Jack Gee
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This is particularly addressed to Jerseyties; I'm apologising for not getting back to you about our DNA link to Brownes. I remembered your email address from this thread, but not the name that you are listed in the DNA company, and I can't find you. Maybe send me a message outside of this list
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hello everyone from new zealand
i am too a descendant of thomas hazlett and mary brown through their 5th son william killough hazlett who married sarah reed and then some of the family moved came to new zealand - thomas and mary with 3 sons william, robert and robert and a daughter elizabeth - i do have quite a bit of information on these lines but do have lots of gaps
please feel free to message me
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i am too a descendant of thomas hazlett and mary brown through their 5th son william killough hazlett who married sarah reed and then some of the family moved came to new zealand - thomas and mary with 3 sons william, robert and robert and a daughter elizabeth - i do have quite a bit of information on these lines but do have lots of gaps
I have extensive family notes on Hazletts both here in Ireland and those that settled in New Zealand. Is there something in particular you are missing/looking for?
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oh gosh um where to start :)
do you know what year robert, william, thomas and elizabeth came out to new zealand and on which boat/ship
would you have any photos of my greatx3 grand father william killough hazlett
i am looking for information about all the children that didnt come out to new zealand -
so you have any information on Mary ann Hazlett she may of married a McFetrich and may of stayed in Ireland
Nancy born 1843, sarah b 1848, matilda hazlet died at 23 so i am presuming no spouse or children for her
Margaret b 1852
samuel b 1846 from reading on here married nancey knox
did they have second daughter they called jane b 1855 and died auckland nz 1931
i can help with others fill in the gaps of the siblings that came to nz - although i am still gathering the info slowly
i look forward to hearing from you :)
greeting from nz
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do you know what year thomas and mary came out to new zealand and on which boat/ship
Do you mean this Thomas & Mary?
Thomas Hazlett (9 June 1803-9 Dec.1888) m.(26 Mar.1826) Mary Brown (1809-15 Mar.1896).
They died in Ireland. Thomas died Mulberry Cottage, Moneydig- https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1889/06155/4758568.pdf
Mary died Moneydig as well-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1896/05910/4677457.pdf
would you have any photos of my greatx3 grand father william killough hazlett No.
i am looking for information about all the children that didnt come out to new zealand -
so you have any information on Mary ann Hazlett she may of married a McFetrich and may of stayed in Ireland
No, Nancy Hazlett (18 Nov.1843-22 Jan.1924) m.(31 Oct.1867 Moneydig Presbyterian Church) John McFetridge, Movenis. There was a daughter Mary Brown Hazlett (m. Hugh Brown) but no Mary Ann.
Nancy born 1843, sarah b 1848, matilda hazlet died at 23 so i am presuming no spouse or children for her
Nancy- see above. Sarah Hazlett (3 Feb.1848-3 Sept.1862 Moneydig), unmarried. Matilda Hazlett (8 Feb.1835-5 Dec.1858), unmarried.
Margaret b 1852
Margaret Hazlett (9 June 1852-5 Sept.1934) m.(1883) Joseph Bamford.
samuel b 1846 from reading on here married nancey knox
Samuel Hazlett (1 Feb.1846-26 July 1921) m.(29 July 1875 1st Garvagh Presbyterian Church) Nancy Knox
did they have second daughter they called jane b 1855 and died auckland nz 1931
Jane Hazlett born 29 Sept.1855, daughter of Thomas Hazlett & Mary Brown. According to my notes she was the 13th, and youngest, child.
She was named after the eldest daughter who died shortly before she was born-
Jane Hazlett (15 Oct.1828-13 Aug.1854) m.(5 Oct.1847) James Gilmore (10 Feb.1828-1917).
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Thomas Hazlett 1803 of Moneydig Derry, Northern Ireland, married Mary Brown, their 3 sons Robert, William, and Thomas, plus their daughter Elizabeth came to New Zealand.
daughter Mary remained in Ireland
The 3 sons settled in Southland new zealand
Thomas married Susan Barnes and had 11 children
Robert married Anne Payne and had 7 children
William married Sarah Jane Reed, they had 10 children.
(this is my great great grand father)
Elizabeth i think married her cousin william hazlett
i have a lot of information about these nz lines
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Thomas Hazlett 1803 of Moneydig Derry, Northern Ireland, married Mary Brown, their 3 sons Robert, William, and Thomas, plus their daughter Elizabeth came to New Zealand.
daughter Mary remained in Ireland married to a McFetrich.
This is incorrect, as I said earlier. The daughter that married McFetridge was NANCY (or Annie) NOT Mary.
Nancy/Annie Hazlet (18 Nov.1843-22 Jan.1924) m.(31 Oct.1867 Moneydig Presbyterian Church) John McFetridge (c1842-22 Sept.1935), farmer, son of William McFetridge & Mary Torrens. They had 10 children & eldest daughter Mary Ann McFetridge died in N.Z. 25 Apr.1897 unmarried. As far as I know she was the only one of the children who went to N.Z. although a son, John, went to Australia then came back to Ireland.
Elizabeth Hazlett, daughter of Thomas Hazlett, did marry her 1st cousin William Hazlett, son of William Hazlett & his 1st wife Margaret Dripps.
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im not sure what you are saying is incorrect ?
i have the lines for the 4 siblings that came to new zealand
Robert 1830 - 1889 married Anne Payne buried in Riverton NZ
Thomas 1840 - 1917 married Susan Barnes
My great great Grandfather William Killough Hazlett 1837 married sarah reed both buried Winton NZ
Elizabeth Hazlett married William Hazlett also buried with their children in Winton NZ
i have a lot of the descendants and stories from those four lines
but very little information on the other siblings
Rachel 1850 - 1922 is the only one we havent mentioned
i can get a bit mixed up with how i write so please excuse any previous confusion
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You keep putting that Thomas Hazlett & Mary Brown's daughter Mary married 'a McFetrich' but this is not correct. Their daughter Nancy (also known as Annie) was the one who married John McFetridge. They did have a daughter Mary- Mary Brown Hazlett- but she married Hugh Brown.
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no im not sure why that is coming up - i have made the corrections on my tree