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Title: Birth cert lookup
Post by: tess59 on Wednesday 16 April 14 02:15 BST (UK)
hi I have looked for a birth cert at bdm in kent   for my great grand father George king. from Sutton valence. born 1856.  1868. son of George king . they told me they could not find one. to try the parish he came from. if some one could help me as I live in Ireland.  George's parish was church of England. need to find his dad. and his dad. to finish family tree would like some paper work. thank you if you can help
Title: Re: Birth cert lookup
Post by: lizdb on Wednesday 16 April 14 08:59 BST (UK)
Hi,
First of all, which is the year of birth - 1856 or 1868, you have mentioned both.
Secondly, what is the source of this - have you found him on all subsequent censuses and is his year of birth consistant on all?
Thirdly, who are "they" who couldnt find it?
And, have you looked on FreeBMD for the birth?

Sorry for all the questions!
Title: Re: Birth cert lookup
Post by: dawnsh on Wednesday 16 April 14 09:04 BST (UK)
According to Phillimore's Atlas, Sutton Valence is in Hollingbourne reg district, but no George King births are showing up on www.freebmd.org.uk on/around/between the dates you give.
Title: Re: Birth cert lookup
Post by: dawnsh on Wednesday 16 April 14 09:08 BST (UK)
I think I've found them in 1871 census at Sutton Valence.

I can only suggest that, altough civil registration started in 1837, it wasn't compulsory for parents to registers births until 1875. Prior to that, the onus ws on the registrar to go around his district and collect the registrations so there may not be a birth cert to find.

So a baptism is most probably the only information you are likely to find.

The registers have been deposited at Maidstone Archives, they don't appear to ber on the IGI.
Title: Re: Birth cert lookup
Post by: lizdb on Wednesday 16 April 14 09:12 BST (UK)
Ive got it sorted, but my reply disappeared when I tried to send!

Bear with me and i will type up again
Title: Re: Birth cert lookup
Post by: lizdb on Wednesday 16 April 14 09:16 BST (UK)
Summary of what I had typed (I had done the 1861 census too showing parents George and Eliza)

Marriage of George and Eliza
Apr/May/Jun 1859
Hollingborn
Ref 2a 665
George King / Eliza Sage

Birth reg of George (before marriage)
Ap/May/Jun 1857
Hollingborn
Ref 2a 432
George King Sage
Title: Re: Birth cert lookup
Post by: carol8353 on Wednesday 16 April 14 09:18 BST (UK)
Well found Liz  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Birth cert lookup
Post by: dawnsh on Wednesday 16 April 14 09:18 BST (UK)
well done Liz
Title: Re: Birth cert lookup
Post by: carol8353 on Wednesday 16 April 14 09:22 BST (UK)
There is also a baptism ,where he's transcribed as George KEEN Sage  ::)

Son of Eliza Sage,in East Sutton Kent,on 21st June 1857.
Title: Re: Birth cert lookup
Post by: lizdb on Wednesday 16 April 14 09:29 BST (UK)
Well done Carol - we are just such a team!!!!
Title: Re: Birth cert lookup
Post by: tess59 on Thursday 17 April 14 01:44 BST (UK)
hi all. who looked for me re George king born 1857' this is him I have found him on census. but was not sure I had right man. that is why I looked for a birth cert . I did e mail the parish in Sutton so I will try all 3 again. I might get him in one of them. so thanks again for all your help. tess59
Title: Re: Birth cert lookup
Post by: lizdb on Thursday 17 April 14 08:55 BST (UK)
You can send for a copy of his birth cert from www.gro.gov.uk using the reference I gave in reply #5
And Carol has found the christening at East Sutton, see reply #8
Title: Re: Birth cert lookup
Post by: carol8353 on Thursday 17 April 14 09:12 BST (UK)
hi all. who looked for me re George king born 1857' this is him I have found him on census. but was not sure I had right man. that is why I looked for a birth cert . I did e mail the parish in Sutton so I will try all 3 again. I might get him in one of them. so thanks again for all your help. tess59
That's the problem though,he wasn't born as a King,but as a Sage to a single mum,no wonder they couldn't find him.

Just send to the GRO http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ for his birth cert,it'll cost you £9-25. But if she was a single mum it may not name dad of course.
Title: Re: Birth cert lookup
Post by: tess59 on Tuesday 22 April 14 19:36 BST (UK)
it was to g.r.o. I wrote as well. they said they could not find a birth cert for George. again thanks for your help.
Title: Re: Birth cert lookup
Post by: dawnsh on Tuesday 22 April 14 20:32 BST (UK)
Hi Tess

When you wrote, what name did you say you were looking for?

The posts here suggest his birth was registered in the surname of Sage as he was born before his parents married.

You can apply to the GRO online at www.gro.gov.uk, when you apply you should fill in the online form stating you know the GRO reference and the year.

You should enter the surname as Sage and the first names as George King. The rest of the reference is this

April/May/Jun 1857
Hollingborn
Ref 2a 432

Hope this helps

Dawn