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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Midlothian => Topic started by: scully on Tuesday 15 April 14 22:29 BST (UK)
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Hi all,
Trying to find Information on a John Morgan/ Madge Christie. They fostered my uncle Thomas Cuthbert born 1904 Edinburgh, both his parents had died by the time he was aged about 13yrs old and he changed his name to Thomas Morgan on his Marriage Cert. He had 5 brothers John 1891/ William 1896/ Daniel1900/ Alexander 1902/ George 1907 & 1 sister Mary 1889.but we think they also fostered his brother George. George kept his original name Cuthbert. On Uncle Tommy,s Marriage in Ayr it said that both John & Madge had died. Tried to find their deaths on Scotlands People with no luck. Can,t seem to find anything out about John & Madge. Just wandering if anybody has them in their family tree. Thank you.
Scully
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Hi
Although Madge can be a name in its own right - it is also a "pet" name for Margaret or Marjorie/Margery
Did the Morgan's live in Midlothian or Ayr?
Is any occupation shown for John Morgan on Thomas's marriage cert
1 sister Mary 1889.
Think you mean 1899 - she is 2yrs old in 1901
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Hi,
On Uncle Toms Marriage it said John was an Engine Driver. Thomas was born in Edinburgh & Married in Ayr. On Toms Marriage his name was Thomas Joseph Stanley Morgan, on is death It said he was formally Known as Stanley Joseph Haddow. On his birth its down as Stanley Joseph Haddon.
We looked for a marriage Of John & Madge (Margaret) but could not find one We .don,t know were they came from and we can,t seem to find a death. I was wandering how he married as Morgan and not as Cuthbert as there was no adoptions at that time. It would have been nice to find out something about his foster family. Just hoping some one might have had them on their family tree, just took a long shot.
Scully
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Now I'm really confused
They fostered my uncle Thomas Cuthbert born 1904 Edinburgh,
On Toms Marriage his name was Thomas Joseph Stanley Morgan, on is death It said he was formally Known as Stanley Joseph Haddow. On his birth its down as Stanley Joseph Haddon.
I'm ok with him adopting the Morgan surname when he married but how is his birth cert in the name of Haddon if he was born as Thomas Cuthbert?
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Hi Carolew,
Just checked his birth certificate and it said Stanley Joseph Hadden Cuthbert so I don,t know where the Thomas comes from. Also his brother George was born just as George Cuthbert But ended up as George Hadden Beattie Cuthbert by the time he died.
Scully
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Have you checked the 1911 census for a John Morgan in Midlothian. If Thomas was orphaned by 1917, I would have expected the Morgans to have been married by 1911
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I have checked a couple of John Morgans in the 1911 census but they don,t match his wifes name or what his job was.
Scully
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Hi
This may be pure coincidence . In the 1901 census there is the following entry in Blairgowrie, Perthshire:
Madge Christie Head 35 b Blairgowrie Teacher of Cookery
Jane Cuthbert Sister 43 b Blairgowrie Solicitors Wife
James A Cuthbert Nephew 2 b Alloa.
William
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In 1891 Madge is wrongly transcribed as Madye and is the daughter of David Christie b 1824 Perthshire occ retired publisher
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Backtracking to the 1881 census - Madge is actually Marjory N Christie. Father David is shown as a separate entry at the same address
Using surnames only - SP has 1 Morgan/Christie marriage between 1901-1917 but does not match to a John & Marjory/Madge/Margery etc etc
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SP has a death for a Marjory Nicol Christie 1914 Blairgowrie Perth , born c1866.
Morgan is not showing as the other surname.
From the IGI -
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ47-VLG
ev
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Thanks for everyones help. Its something to look into. I have just checked Daniels Cuthberts, Thomas,s fathers death certificate & it said he was married to Mary Beattie. On his marriage to Mary McLean it said he was a bachelor aged 23yrs & Mary was a Spinster aged 19yrs. It has his right parents name on it. I have Checked on SP but can,t find a marriage to a Mary beattie. but it do,s explain how Thomas brother later had the name beattie in his name. its very odd.
Scully
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Hello again
Have you noticed that on the 1891 census for Daniel Cuthbert there is an Agnes Beattie listed as a boarder. Going back to the 1881 census she would appear to be the daughter of John and Ann Beattie. She also has an older sister Mary, the same age as Mary Cuthbert in 1991 census. What are Marys parents names on marriage certificate? If they are Neil McLean and Ann Pilmer or Palmer possible explanation is that John Beattie was Ann's second husband.
William
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Hi William,
Thank you, that's great. I do have Neil McLean & Ann Pilner as Mary,s Parents. With everybodys help I seem to getting some where. I am the cousin of Uncle Thomas,s granddaughter and she,s not been able to find out much so I thought I would give rootschat a try and as usual you are all so helpful and mange to get me some information. Thank you all again.
Scully
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Hi
Marriage on family search Neil McLean and Ann Pilmer Edinburgh 12 Oct 1868. John Beattie and Ann Palmer 10 Oct 1871 Edinburgh but births have parents as John Beattie and Ann Pilmer for Agnes 30 Jan 1872 and William Watson Beattie and John Beattie 14 April 1874. A search on SP deaths only has one hit for Ann Beattie other name Pilmer.
Hope this helps.
William