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I am looking for information about my family from Scotland. My grandmother's name was
Hughina Stokes and she was married to Charles Stokes. They were married in 1913 in Glasgow Scotland. Hughina's mother was Kate McKinnon not to sure who her father was possibly a MacLean from Oban. At the time of their marriage I believe Kate McKinnon was deceased. The 1911 census
shows that Hughina at age 19 lived with her Uncle John McKinnon (Kate's brother) in Glasgow. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
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Hi
Did she marry as MacLean or McKinnon?
In 1911 - what surname is she shown under?
Where was she born?
Dou you have her marriage cert? Does it not show a fathers name?
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The 1901 has a Hector & Kate McLean with a daughter Hughina aged 10 - all b Oban
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I am questioning the marriage certificate of 1913 between Charles Stokes and Hughina from
family discussions. The marriage certificate states that Hughina's mother is Kate McKinnon which is correct with the father's name as John McKinnon (I believe this in not correct and this is her Uncle's name-John McKinnon (kate's brother). It is believed that Kate McKinnon had Hughina out of wedlock and Kate never married Hughina's father which could be a Maclean from Oban. My father's name was Robert MacLean Stokes and I believe the MacLean came from his mom's family (hughina).
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The 1911 census states that Hughina's surname is McKinnon
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Hi :)
Can you list the household entry that you have with everyone's names, ages and places of births etc.?
Monica
Added: This if for 1911 as mentioned!
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SP has a Catherine McKinnon marrying a Hector MacLean 1892 Kilbride Argyll.If correct after Hughina's birth.
1901:
Hector Mclean 32
Kate Mclean 38
Hughina Mclean 10
Joan Mclean 8
Catherine Mclean 6
John Mclean 3
Hector Mclean 5
Arthur Mclean 1 Month
All born Oban
There's a birth registered for Hughina McKinnon 1892 Kilbride which is the Reg. Dist. for Oban.
Nothing for a Hughina Maclean.
This is the only Hector MacLean born Oban I can find in 1891:
Donald McDearmid 67
Mary McDearmid 56
Catherine McDearmid 38
Isabella McDearmid 18
Annie McDearmid 13
Allan Buchanan 24
Duncan Levingston 22
Hector McLean 18
Living in Perthshire.
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Have you looked for Hughina's birth cert on Scotlands People? Downloading a copy would give parental details.
She wouldn't be the first illegitimate child to make up a fathers name when she married so as to appear "respectable"
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Maybe with more info we can link Uncle John McKinnon (age and place of birth etc) from 1911 to Catherine/Kate Mclean and their McKinnon family? The marriage cert for the family you have listed Jim from 1901 will also help a lot!
Monica
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Jim, the family you listed - from online trees:
Kate/Catherine's death is showing as 22 July 1905 in Lorn Combination Poorhouse, Oban, Argyll, Scotland.
Kate's family in 1871 is given as:
Alexander Mckinnon 40 ship captain b. Morvern
Catherine Mckinnon 38
Matilda Mckinnon 19
John Mckinnon 16 b. Oban
Catherine Mckinnon 11 b. Oban
Alexander Mckinnon 9
Hugh Mckinnon 6
John McDougall 18 boarder
Address: 7 High Street, Kilmore and Kilbride
Monica
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1871:Oban
Alexander Mckinnon 40
Catherine Mckinnon 38
Matilda Mckinnon 19
John Mckinnon 16
Catherine Mckinnon 11
Alexander Mckinnon 9
Hugh Mckinnon 6
John McDougall 18
snap
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1911 Census on North Street, Anderston, Glasgow
John MacKinnon Head age 50
Jessie MacKinnon Wife age 46
Matilda Raymond daughter age 23
John MacKinnon son age 13
Hughina MacKinnon niece age 19
1901 Census on North Street Anderston Glasgow
John McKinnon age 43 Head born Oban
Jessie McKinnon wife
Kate McKinnon age 12
Janet McKinnon age 16
Matilda McKinnon age 13
John McKinnon age 3
Unsure of the correct spelling. Marriage license is McKinnon and 1911 census is MacKinnon
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Another family member viewed the birth certificate for Hughina but the father's name was
left out. I personally have not viewed it. I have to buy some credits first.
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We are on the same lines, Jim :)
So we have from everyone's contributions:
Likely birth of Hughina - Hughina McKinnon 1892 Kilbride which is the Reg. Dist. for Oban.
A marriage between a Hector Mclean and a Catherine Mckinnon on 6 Sept 1892 (After Banns according to the Forms of the Church of Scotland, Hector, Fisherman, single of 8 Shore St, Oban and Catherine McKinnon, single age 28).
A 1901 census entry for Hector and Kate McKinnon in Oban, with first born Hughina born c.1891, as posted by Jim above.
A death of Kate Mckinnon/McLean in 1905.
A death of Hector McKinnon c. 1908 (not clear really from what I have seen so far from others research).
Monica
Added: Just seen your post, msalvisburg :) Age of John Mackinnon fits with what we have for the Mckinnon family in Oban (don't worry too much about the Mac/Mc - search on Scotlands People as m*ck to pick up on variations). His marriage cert to Jessie would help you confirm and link to the family we are discussing. You always have to work back from where you are. You have Hughina with him in 1911, and he shows as Uncle John born in Oban.
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Thanks for all the information. Where would I view the marriage certificate of John McKinnon and
Jessie. I believe Jessie was born in Stirling. I am new to this so all the help would be great. If this is my family any suggestions on how to contact any living relatives? My grandmother Hughina immigrated to Canada where I am from
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There is only one place to view original BMDs and census images and that is on the pay to view site www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
There are some online family trees on Ancestry.com. Not sure if you have seen these? These are available to view if you have a subscription to the site.
Monica
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I am wondering if this post is connected to your extended family of John Mckinnon and wife Jessie and the connections to Canada? http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/surnames.toomalatai/65.1/mb.ashx
1911 Census on North Street, Anderston, Glasgow
John MacKinnon Head age 50
Jessie MacKinnon Wife age 46
Matilda Raymond daughter age 23
John MacKinnon son age 13
Hughina MacKinnon niece age 19
Monica
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No to sure about the extended family in Canada. I will check out the link.
thanks again for all your and Jim's help
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Hi, this topic has caught my interest; here's a link from a few years ago relating to Matilda McKinnon/Raymond/Chalmbers/Renwick, Hughina's cousin. http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=505687.0
and http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=509681.msg5085787#msg5085787
Sarah
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I am looking for information about my family from Scotland. My grandmother's name was
Hughina Stokes and she was married to Charles Stokes. They were married in 1913 in Glasgow Scotland. Hughina's mother was Kate McKinnon not to sure who her father was possibly a MacLean from Oban. At the time of their marriage I believe Kate McKinnon was deceased. The 1911 census
shows that Hughina at age 19 lived with her Uncle John McKinnon (Kate's brother) in Glasgow. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
I can fill in some blanks for you - I was particularly interested to read that Hughina lived with her uncle John McKinnon and his wife Jessie Gilchrist in North St, Glasgow at the time of the 1911 census.
Kate (Catherine) McKinnon 1860-1905 married fisherman Hector McLean on 6 September 1892 at 21 Shore St, Oban nine months after Hughina's 22 Dec 1891 birth.
Between 1893-1904 Kate and Hector had the following children: source 1901 census: Joan 1893; Catherine 1895; Hector 1896-1911; John 1898-1941; Arthur 1901 and Alexander 1904.
Hector must have struggled to juggle work and raise his children after Kate's death because in the National Archives of Scotland is a record "JC 31 Justiciary Appeals Process 1864-1998: GB 234 - Ref. JC31/1907/17 Bill of Suspension by Hector McLean Fisherman Oban v Hugh Skinner, Inspector of Poor, Kilmore & Kilbride lodged 9 March. Bill passed. Conviction & suspension suspended. JC31/58 JC 30/3)".
In the 1911 census, the McLean children were inmates at Lorn Combination Poorhouse along with my husband's grandmother Elizabeth McTavish, a cousin to the McLean children:
2 April 1911 McTavish, Elizabeth (Census 1911 523/00 013/00 001)
Elizabeth McTavish servant 65 gaelic & english single cook (acutally Isabella McTavish cousin of Kate (Catherine) McKinnon and aunt of the McTavish girls).
MacLean: John 12; Arthur 10; Alexander 7.
MacTavish: Mary 11 and Elizabeth 9.
1911 Census for Hector McLean and daughter Catherine (b. 1895) McLean: 5 Combie Lane, Oban
Duncan McLean 42 head stoker, Northern Lighthouse - ; Christina wife 37; John son 3; Neil son 9 months; Hector brother 40 wid general labourer and Kate niece 15.
In 1912 Hector McLean married Elizabeth McDonald. Hector passed away on 30 May 1930 at Cawdor Cottage, Oban, Argyll. "Hector McLean, woodcutter married to 1st Catherine McKinnon and 2nd Elizabeth McLean or MacDonald". Son, John McLean registered the death.
On 29 Aug 1913 at Milton Parish Church, Glasgow Hughina married Charles Stokes, drapery packer age 25 of 157 Shamrock St, Glasgow. Hughina gave her occupation as french polisher/spinster age 21 of the same address and listed her father as John McKinnon fisherman. Her mother Kate's maiden name was listed as McLean. I too believe she named her uncle as her father; more so since in 1911 she was living with John and Jessie at North St, Glasgow.
I have Charles Stokes' death certificate - 11 March 1953 at 18 Barlock St, Glasgow, Scotland "Charles Stokes, Stationer's Packer m. to Hughina McKinnon McLean at 3h 30m am; 65 years. F: William Stokes scientific instrument maker M: Mary (Ms Laird). Cause: Carcinoma of bladder approx. 2 years certified M Adams. Informant: W Stokes, son present".
Ancestry has a 1957 UK Incoming Passenger List for Hughina Stokes. Her DOB is given as 25 Dec 1894, single of 18 Barlock St, Possil Park, Glasgow, housewife departed from Montreal on board the Sylvania; arriving Greenock, Scotland on 3 Oct 1957.
I also found a reference to Robert Stokes in an immigration record for his sister in law, Jean T Stokes. "United States Border Crossings from Canada to United States, 1895-1956," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XGDN-QWR : accessed 15 Apr 2014), Jean T Stokes, 24 Jan 1955; citing "Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1954," Ancestry.com; Ship , arrival port Buffalo, New York, , line , NARA microfilm publication M1480, roll 129, Library and Archives Canada, Ottawa, Ontario.
He is referred to as brother in law of Jean T Stokes, the second wife of his brother Charles. Dottie Stokes, wife of Ian Evans Stokes (son Charles Stokes(Jr) & Georgina Evans) has a public tree on Ancestry following this line of Stokes which also includes details of Robert McLean Stokes.
My last reference for Hughina was in a death notice for her grandson Ronald which I found in The San Diego Union: Thursday Dec 28, 1967: Stokes, Ronald, Sgt. USMC son of Charles and Jean Stokes. Brother of Linda, Jacqueline and Ian Stokes. Grandson of Hughine Stokes. Military Graveside Services Thurs 1pm Fort Rosecrans National Cemetery. Johnson-Saum & Knobel in charge.
Hughina's half brother John McLean's son also named John still resided in Oban Feb 2011.
I'd love to find out more about Hughina.
Sarah
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Hi Sarah,
I was at Hughina's grave today and took a picture as well as one of son Robert McLean Stokes, son Stewart Murray Stokes (and his wife Mary McGregor). Added to Hughina's marker was a plate with the name Archie Stokes 1930-1991. I think it may just be a memorial, but will verify that next time I pass by the cemetery.
The pictures are posted on my tree at Tribal pages (marquisfamcan.tribalpages.com). You should take a look as there is also a link to others in Marquis family. Maybe one of them might be able to help you in that group.
You can get back to me through Ancestry message or by using link on my tribal page.
I also posted some documents for Hughina and related family.
Bob