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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (East Riding & York) => Topic started by: bendywendy on Monday 07 April 14 18:57 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone
I need help in locating where is / or where was the disused Drypool Cemetery, Hull please.
This is all the info I have about it other than it was classed as disused by 1947 regarding a report in the Hull Daily Mail regarding somone's memorial.
I am going through Hull tomorrow and would like to find this cemetery, although after reading much about disused cemeteries within Drypool areas some of these are now under grass etc..
Also anyone know which church it would have been attached too and what name the burial registers will be under at Hull History Centre.
Kind regards
bendywendy
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Hull History Centre have MI's for Drypool Burial Ground, Hedon Road, does anyone know if this is the current cemetery or the disused one as I cannot even locate the current cemetery.
bendywendy
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Hi
An old map of Hull c1915 shows a cemetery on Hedon Road between Ferries Street and Lee Smith Street, The times I've gone along Hedon Road, I've never seen it so assume that it had been built over, it certainly isn't the big cemetery which is further along the road past the prison.
For the church records its' St Peter Drypool until 1878 then St Andrew.
happy hunting
Bee
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Hello again
Just found another map dated 1908, on the north side of Hedon Road just east of Ferries Street is the Drypool & Southcoates cemetery, in the corner of which is St Bartholomew's church which was consecrated in 1891 and demolished in 1929
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Hi Bee
Looking on google maps, there is a large patch of grass, wonder if that is the old disused Drypool Cemetery.
I had a look on National Archives and they hold vasts amount of info for this cemetery and it was St Andrew's, I wonder why this set of records is at the NA and not at the Hull History Centre ?
I wonder what happened to all the headstones ?
bendywendy
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I wonder what happened to all the headstones ?
bendywendy
I've emailed my brother in law to ask that question as he lived in that area as a child.
Bee
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Thanks Bee.
This is interesting info on Find a Grave:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GScid=2476332&GRid=117343483&
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&CRid=2476331
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&GScid=2476332&GRid=117343483&CRid=2476332&
Think I need a stiff drink after reading all that, does get confusing ::)
I will let you know how I get on finding any records at either Hull History or Treasure House, one or the other has some or all of the records.
b.
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http://79.170.40.245/drypoolparish.org.uk/drypoolparish/HistoryBook/index.php?$left=4&$right=5
http://79.170.40.245/drypoolparish.org.uk/drypoolparish/HistoryBook/images/full/54.jpg
http://79.170.40.245/drypoolparish.org.uk/drypoolparish/HistoryBook/images/full/42.jpg
http://79.170.40.245/drypoolparish.org.uk/drypoolparish/HistoryBook/images/full/62.jpg
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/ENG-YORKSHIRE/2005-06/1118286287
unfortunately the link is broken
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/23799
This must be the big one after the prison ???
b.
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http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/23799
This must be the big one after the prison ???
I've just travelled along Hedon Road, courtesy of Google maps, and that is the disused Drypool cemetery.
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Bee, my husband thinks the same too, so he is taking me tomorrow to have a looksie after my visit to the Treasure House.
All this rather confusing to say the least about these cemeteries and churches, just finished reading that little booklet about Drypool, still confused about some parts.
National Archives
Drypool St Andrew's
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=047-pe109&cid=-1#-1
DRYPOOL ST PETER PARISH RECORDS
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=047-pe110&cid=-1#-1
DRYPOOL ST COLUMBA PARISH RECORDS
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=047-pe111&cid=-1#-1
b.
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It certainly used to be a cemetery. My mum grew up in the area in the 1950's and 1960's and knew it as an old cemetery.
There is another old cemetery here on great union street off garrison road near the start of the old hedon road where a church called St Peter's used to stand. I think this is classed as the drypool area.
http://goo.gl/maps/d79hZ
http://goo.gl/maps/ptrtE
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Hi Wendy
Hope you had a successful day yesterday.
My brother in law used to play in the old cemetery as a child, and he says the headstones where still there in the early 1950's.
Bee
:)
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A great site for the area is Crowle St Kids website. Worth a browse if you have not seen it.
They have a bit of information here: http://www.crowlestreetkids.com/church300.htm
The Drypool and Southcoates Cemetary on Hedon Road.
Formed in 1852 by the parishioners of Drypool.
The first is the Drypool and Southcoates Cemetery situated on Hedon Road. It was opened in 1852 for use by the people in the Holderness Road area.
The stones have all now been removed but there is a schedule of the names, dates, ages that were on the headstones, which is now held by the Hull records Office (Hull Archives Lowgate).
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Hi everyone and thank you to all
I had a productive morning at the Treasure House.
I asked about the Drypool records being held at the National Archives and was told they only hold microfilm copies, the originals are at Beverley, so I ordered up what I am researching for, but when I mentioned this to the staff they pointed out a man whom I had been talking too earlier as David Mount of EYFHS and who collates all the info for the MI's in East Yorkshire.
A staff member went over to him and introduced us, he was as very interested as I was, in what I was seeking.
David told me he had for years been trying to find out what had happened to all the gravestones from the various cemeteries that Hull Corporation had removed and then grassed over the graves.
Along came the file we required, well after reading through 10 pieces of correspondence between this family, the Diocese, Hull City Council it was well documented that this family wished to remove Gravestones from the Old Drypool Burial Ground / Drypool Disused Cemetery / Drypool Churchyard, in fact the name varied on each letter.
This correspondence commeneced abt 1939 and was ended 1948 with the Gravestones being removed from Drypool and placed as "graves" in Hedon Road Cemetery.
David Mount was most interested in this as he had done the MI's for Hedon.... BUT... we asked each other was only the Gravestones removed or was the remains exhumed, a task he has set himself to research, he will let me know.
In the midst of these letters this family was offering to pay Hull Corporation a lump sum of money for the Corporation to upkeep these Gravestones in PERPERTUITY. As far as we could determine monies were paid to the church and Hull Corporation, of which the latter I am going to contact to ask if they are still keeping these Gravestones in good condition... I can "see" a lot heads turning with this question.
I did not have time to go to Hedon to view these gravestones, but when I do go it will be very interesting to see them.
I will at a later date place the family name on here of whom I am talking about, but this research is for someone else, who may be making a further programme about this family, what I can state is the family were exceptionally well known in Hull.
bendywendy
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Very interesting. Please keep us updated, would love to know if the graves were exhumed but I suspect possibly not if the land is still grassed.
Crowle St Kids website has a picture here: http://www.crowlestreetkids.com/build211.htm
Is there any hint as to WHY the family wanted these gravestones moved? Would be interesting to know who and why.
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From the letters it appears the family could have instigated the removal of the gravestones, it could be that at some time prior to 1939 ish the Corporation were going to clear this cemetery and the family wanted the Gravestones to be kept and sited elsewhere.
I have just rang Hull Cemeteries department and they don't have any knowledge of what I have found, I now have to ask Treasure House if they can have copies of these documents. The lady I spoke too said they do have some Graves kept in Perpertuity but by the families not by the now Hull City Council and if this is the case it would be a first to their knowledge.
One thing I mentioned to both David Mount and this lady at the cemeteries department, is that this family did not like waste, would they have taken up empty burial spaces to then place the gravestones upon ???
bendywendy
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My gt.grandmother Lucy married in St. Peters Church and lived opposite it until her death in the 1890s.
Now that I've seen this thread I'm wondering if she was removed from her original resting place and re-interred.
Before she died one of my mother's cousins told me that her mother used to take her to visit Lucy's headstone in the large Hedon Road Cemetery just passed the prison. They used to enter the main gate and turn immediately right (before the gatehouse) and after a short walk Lucy's headstone was on the.... (darn it - my memory's failed & I can't recall whether the headstone was on the left or right - but I think it was on the LH side)
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Rena, what is Lucy's surname and do you know if she had a headstone, I can check in the MI's for Hedon and let you know in due course.
To have removed any remains Exhumation Orders would have been required, one this was costly and required a great deal of documentations and two there had to be good reasons for doing so.
b.
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Rena, what is Lucy's surname and do you know if she had a headstone, I can check in the MI's for Hedon and let you know in due course.
To have removed any remains Exhumation Orders would have been required, one this was costly and required a great deal of documentations and two there had to be good reasons for doing so.
b.
Sorry, I only know that as a young girl, my mother's cousin was taken by her mother to put flowers on Lucy's grave.
I don't know which surname was used for Lucy. My gt. grandmother was baptised "Lucy Speight" and married my gt.grandfather, a migrant, who in the 1871 census had the surname "Flamme" (pronounced "Flemme"); the spelling changed to "Flemme" when they married in the 1870s and from an 1890s trade directory he had Anglicised the surname to "Fleming".
Here's a photo of her:-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=110530.msg479543#msg479543
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Hello,can't quite believe what I have just read as today I have travelled to hull history centre to find out about burials in drypool cemetery,hedon rd. I did not get very far and tomorrow was going to go to the treasurers house to look at the old records. I am looking for Fosters who were buried here. Tomorrow I will also go to hedon road cemetery and turn in the direction that has been suggested!
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Can I di anything else on Thursday while I am an interested party with a few hours to spare in the area!
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0113vanny, look in the MI's books for Drypool & Hedon Road Cemeteries to see if your rellie had a headstone, other than that you will need to search the microfiche for Drypool & Hedon Road Burials.
The staff at Treasure House were extremely helpful yesterday, nothing was too much trouble for them to help me.
Maybe you could help Rena with a MI for her great grandmother in Hedon Rd Cemetery, I will ask you on her behalf just in case she dosen't see you offering to look up anything.
Thanks, b.
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It's so weird that I have doing this today.there is no MI for my rels,I looked today,but I found the reference to drypool cemetery,hedon road in the newspaper death notice in 1898. Let's see what I get up to tomorrow! Thanks for all your interesting and detailed reports
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The grassed over area just past the end of Ferries Street is indeed the former Drypool and Southcoates Cemetery, or "Simmy" as we used to call it when we used to play on it in the 1960s. I have a feeling that the gravestones were all around the edges then, but we moved away from Crowle Street in 1965 and five years later Hull City Council flattened the whole area so nobody lives there now. According to Alan Godfrey in the intro to the reprinted 1908 O. S. map of the Hedon Road area, the cemetery was opened in 1852. Without consulting my notes I can't determine a closure date but it must have been in the late 1940s.
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Update:
I have been in contact with the Hull Bereavement offices since October 2014 and this past week I have had an email detailing that they cannot find any more correspondence relating to my query of the removal and re-sighting of headstones from Old Drypool Cemetery to Hedon Road but they can confirm no exhumations took place and that the said remains are still in the Old Drypool Cemetery. They have now suggested I contact the church as some letters were sent to the church and also to the York Diocese too, looks likely to be a long haul again to find some definitive answers of which graves are in Perpertuity, except for the one we know of.
I did ask the question of where was the headstones removed to from the Old Drypool Cemetery and they haven't been able to find the answer to this question.
bendywendy
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I'm pretty sure the headstones were all ranged round the edges of what had been the cemetery in the early 1960s. For all I know, they could still be there! But surely anyway the Hull History Centre (or similar) should have the cemetery records, and haven't the EYFHS transcribed the MIs?
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EYFHS have been searching and asking for years of what happened to the headstones too.
Cemetery records are with the Bereavement Services in Hull who look after the cemeteries, it is the birth, death and marriages records that the Treasure House and Hull History Centre have.
The problem with my request is that it encompasses so many different organisations including the past Hull Corporation who originally held the cemetery records.
bendywendy
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Ah, right, I see your problem. I thought the EYFHS had got the headstones transcribed while they were still all ranged round the perimeter walls after the cemetery itself had been cleared and grassed. I would imagine then, that the answer is that HUll City Council took them away, broke them up, and used them for hardcore somewhere! The whole area was levelled in the early 1970s and everyone moved out to Bransholme (we'd already gone, five years before) so there wouldn't have been any local residents around to object, and in 1970, family history research was still in its infancy, I remember when I joined the EYFHS in 1976 I was only member number 269, at that time.
One thought that might be worth pursuing - I was recently ploughing through the wartime Hull Daily Mails for research for a forthcoming book, and I happened to see a sort of statutory notice that the council had obviously had to put in the paper because they were proposing to demolish and clear the old Methodist Church in Cogan Street, which had previously been a Synagogue, going way back when... anyway, they were advertising in this great long rigmarole because the site contained human remains and they were proposing to remove everything, and the advert also contained a list of all of the people mentioned on all the remaining memorials. I wonder if this was a staututory thing, and if so, whether the council were obliged to put one in the paper for the Drypool and Southcoates Cemetery. Might be worth a trawl.
But yes, generally, Hull City Council's attitude to historical artefacts in the 1970s makes the Philistines look like paragons of culture. The Crowle Street and Empringham Street "shrines" (street memorials to the local dead of the first world war) also disappeared around the time of the demolition, and nobody knows what happened to them, either. Fortunately, in WWI the HDM had already published lists of the names inscribed on them, but even so...
At least these days all the GRO indexes are online with people like Ancestry and Findmypast, so we no longer have to go schlepping down to Alexandra House to heave those huge index books around!
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thank you for all this, I do appreciate it. in the 1970's, my gran was asked if she wanted an urn from her parents grave as they were removing it to make a rose garden and grass path. the grave had been bought in perpetuity. I have since looked for their grave and other names now appear in tis rose garden, but not my great grandparents . . . .
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Footnote to the above, I checked the HDM 1950 to 1999 and couldn't find any such notice relating to Drypool and Southcoates Cemetery
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The letters I have are dated late 1930's and into and after WW2 so Old Drypool Cemetery was being proposed for closure during 1930's.
b.
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apologies, this was Hedon road, just adding to the way things were done at that time.
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I am a bit confused as I have a burial in 1847 at St Andrews Drypool, South Coates yet the church wasn't according to website consecrated until about 1867. Does that mean they were burid in unconsecrated grounds or would they go into the old cemetery on Hedon Road? Any help appreciated.