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Hi all :) I am desperately needing assistance in searching for a Thomas Emmet (sometimes Thos Emmel, or Emmet) he was 30 on an 1841 census of Thornton, Bradford. He was married to a Hannah Robinson, 5 years his senior. But I cannot find him either before or after that date. He is he furthest Emmott I can find and really want to know what happened to him. I contemplated ringing my local Reg office, but seen as all I have is a name, ish, and rough birth, I stand little chance of knowing which one would be mine! He must have moved out of Thornton as in the 1851 census, his family live with a John Hainsworth whom Hannah married. He isnt buried in the village as I have all records for the 4 churches/graveyards. Did he run away? Did he doe young and was buried in another parish? I really am very confused!
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Hi
Bear in mind that the 1841 census as a rule (not invariably) shows ages rounded down to the nearest 5 years, so Thomas might have been anywhere from 30-34 on 6 June 1841.
Can you give us the details of Thomas' marriage to Hannah Robinson, and Hannah's marriage to John Hainsworth, which will help us understand the timeline? Also any children born to each of those marriages.
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I contemplated ringing my local Reg office, but seen as all I have is a name, ish, and rough birth, I stand little chance of knowing which one would be mine!
The Register Office will have no records before the introduction of Civil Registration on 1st July 1837
Stan
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There's a Thomas Emmett died in Bradford in Dec 1843, it may be worth chasing him
or Thomas Emmott in 1845 in Bradford
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Familysearch has the marriage of Thomas and Hannah in Bradford on 1st September 1833.
FreeBmd has the marriage of Hannah Emmett and John Hainsworth in the September quarter of 1850, Halifax, Vol 22 Page 175.
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Hi,
Hannah Emmet and John Hainsworth married 26 th August 1850 Halifax
marriage certificate gives Hannah as aged 47 Widow
Cathy
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The Thomas Emmott who died in 1845 Bradford, was buried in St Peters Church and was only 20 years old --- so that one is too young and can probably be 'eliminated from enquiries'!
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Thanks all :)
All information suggested is correct. I just cannot find this man!
Yes, he can be eliminated, my Thomas would have been between 30 and 40 when he died. Hannah only married John in 1850, and then all lived with him in 1851. Im wondering if Thomas died near to that time than 1841 time. I really need to find his parents too but the marriage certificate ti Hannah has no informaion at all really.
Very frustrating! I need to find where they married to try find more details on them.
Im wondering why they married out of the village and St Peters though. Interesting indeed!
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When was the last child of Thomas & Hannah born?
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In 1841 there was
Thos Emmel (Thomas Emmett) 30
Hannah Emmel 35
Richard Emmel 15
Sarah Emmel 14
Mary Emmel 5
Benjamin Emmel 3
Educated guess is Richard and Sarah are illegitimate, Mary and Benjamin are hia.
Sarah has no father on her later marriage to Chas Parkinson, so she is definately illegitimate
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So did they not have any more after 1841?
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I dont think so, as I say, Hannah married John and was living with him in 1851 and Benjamin had Johns surname. There was a Hannah, 3 years younger than Benjamin. Im trying to trace her now to see if she was Johns, Thomas' or maybe adopted
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The daughter Hannah (enumerated in 1851 as Hannah Hainsworth, 7 b Thornton) may have been registered at birth as Hannah Emmett in the Thornton subdistrict of Bradford in 1843, per YorkshireBMD.
The corresponding GRO index entry shows the registration in Sep qtr 1843.
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Oh fantastic! Thank you
That narrows down the time of Thomas death/left them.
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Could this be him?
Address: Mount Pellon
Parish: Halifax Registration District: Halifax
Emmet Hannah 70 Head Skircoat, Yorkshire
Emmet Thomas 37 Son Hand Loom Weaver Skircoat, Yorkshire
Emmet Joseph 30 Son Hand Weaver Worsted Skircoat,
Emmet Mavey 14 Grand Daughter Power Weaver Worsted Halifax, Yorkshire
Skircoat is about 8 miles away from Thornton according to Google!
Forgot to add - this is the 1851 census & I note from the 1841 he lists his occupation as a weaver.
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Educated guess is Richard and Sarah are illegitimate, Mary and Benjamin are hia.
Sarah has no father on her later marriage to Chas Parkinson, so she is definately illegitimate
Not necessarily so
I have an ancestor with no father's name on her marriage certificate, so I too presumed illegitimacy.
But tracking backwards & forwards through the censuses & parish registers, she was born several years after her parents marriage and her father was alive & well several years after her marriage.
Could Richard & Sarah be Thomas's children by a previous marriage rather than Hannah's?
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The Thomas who was enumerated aged 37 with mum Hannah at Mount Pellon in 1851 appears to have been enumerated aged 27 with Hannah at Mount Pellon in 1841 too (as Emmet).
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I have requested a copy of a death certificate so hopefully they'll shed some more light on the matter.
I would thjnk it unlikely that his mother shared the same name as his wife?? Not impossible but I just dont get the feeling that this isnt mine. He would have been nearer 40 on the 1851 census too
Again, the children could have been Thomas' but he would have had to have been 15 when he fathered Richard, and 16 when he fathered Sarah, so again, i feel its more likely they were Hannahs
I just have a feeling he died young. I hope not, but i suspect he may have done
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The Mount Pellon man with mother Hannah is not yours because he was with his mum in 1841 when your Thomas was with his wife Hannah (see reply #16).
Do let us know when that death cert arrives :)
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I would think it unlikely that his mother shared the same name as his wife??
Perfectly possible
My father had a mother and a wife both named Dorothy
My husband's grandfather had a mother and wife with the names "Sarah Elizabeth"
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We have found him :)
He died in South Square at Thornton village age 35. Apparently his death cert states liver disease as cause of death but its very sad as he left a wife, a 9 year old and a 5 year old and Hannah, his last daughter was born in 1843, he died 16th october 1843.
Such a tragedy must have been covered in papers.
Thanks al for your help, what a womderful source of help this site is
I have 2 birth certs that I dont want as they were the wrong people. Im going to post on here to see if anyone else would use them.
Right, time to search papers I think :)
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So probably born 1808
Richard would have been born 1826 if he was 15, which would make Thomas a father at 18 - definitely physically possible
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So probably born 1808
Richard would have been born 1826 if he was 15, which would make Thomas a father at 18 - definitely physically possible
I'm sure that one could father a child at the age of 18!!!!!!!! And I'm sure that a hell of a lot have proved it :o :o :o
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It's not safe to assume the children born before the marriage to Hannah were Thomas' natural offspring - Hannah may of course have brought them into the marriage with her.
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Richard and Sarah both go by Robinson, never Emmett. Also, Sarahs marriage cert she has no father listed. Why would she not add Thomas, especially seen as he died very young and she was the informant of his death. I would imagine any daughter whose father died so young would want to carry his name.
It is possible, but even if they had them out of wedlock, why would they not change to Emmett?
No, I genuinely believe they were Hannahs, especially considering she was 5 years Thomas' senior.
I now need to trace his lineage. The oil painting I have as a profile photo looks very much like my late Grandfather. This man is named as William Emmott 1809 - 1879. Potentially a brother of Thomas maybe.