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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wexford => Topic started by: bandc on Monday 31 March 14 01:08 BST (UK)
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Hi wondering if anyone can help, I am researching an Ann Fanning, born around 1800, who came from Co Wexford. All I know is she was from a place called Palace?
In 1820 she married a man called Thomas Moran in the parish of Glendalough in Co. Wicklow. The couple then lived in Co Wicklow where they had 7 children before emigrating to Canada and then America around the late 1840s.
Allowing for changes in spelling over the years, wondering if anyone has any ideas where Palace might be, I was looking at Pallis Upper/Lower and Pallis Hill as an option?
I got some baptism records for Fannings in the parish of Kilanerin, and on one there was a note that this baptism took place in Corcannon? I was wondering where this place is.
I believe Ann Fanning came to Wicklow sometime before she married in 1820, and may have been connected to a Fanning family with the names William, Bryan, and Robert. Would appreciate any ideas. Margaret
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https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Killinierin/@52.7329165,-6.2726374,15z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x4867e85d595cccfb:0x2600c7a819c0c402
just to the northeast of Killinierin is Corcoran
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osi viewer Ireland is a great resource,,,,heres Killinierin again,,,,a historic map,,,,Corcoran is just to the right if you drag the map,,,,you can also look at different views in history using the historic overlay menu,,,bottom right,,,,and zoom in and out,,,,top left....takes a bit of getting used to,,,but brilliant once you have mastered it.
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,716058,665725,6,8
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Kilanerin and Pallis are not a million miles from each other ? https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.7315597,-6.289521,15z just go west up the main rd,,past Limbrick castle meadow,,,,carry on to Knocklahaun,,,,and Pallis just north of Knocklahaun.
Drag slightly right,,and you can see Corcoran,,,,so these 3 places are within a few miles of each other.
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I only mention Corcanon as I cant find a Corcoran in Wexford,,,,,
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Thanks very much for all that information.
I have found the osi map search very useful to locate these places.
Sorry my misspelling, it is Corcanon that I am interested in.
As the baptism record I got for around 1800 noted the baptism took place there I was wondering was there a Chapel of Ease there?, as there is no address on the record I was wondering if this might be the closest church to Pallis?.
Also on another Baptism record from that time is an address Stuben? I can't find anything to match, as many names were written as spoken at the time , I wonder if there is/was any townland in the area that might sound like that.
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Palace east and west are in the parish of Oldross see Griffiths Valuations search under place name and county.
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Thanks Dathai, yes I had found Palace - Oldross in the Griffiths, while Pallis is there in the Gorey area, but in the Tithe Applotment Records in 1830s it has Pallace in Oldross, and Palace ( the one that is Pallis in Griffith's) in the Gorey area, so it is confusing.
I guess either may be the birth place of Ann Fanning that I am researching.
I did come across the family name Fanning in Knocklahuan which is close to Pallis but perhaps that is just coincidence.
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Hello Margaret,
Saw your email--- had been looking in Co.Kilkenny and Co.Wexford is just adjacent so thought I would take a shot.
Looking for 3 FANNING brothers who came to US at separate times (1855-1870)
Mathew. bc. 1834
Lawrence. bc 1835
Patrick. bc 1850
They settled in Eastern Kansas (Johnson County).
They married Irish women in the U.S.
They were farmers and stock raisers.
Lawrence had children named (not necessarily in birth order)
Mathew
John Edward
Martin Lawrence
Margaret
Michael Francis
Patrick
Mary
Agnes
Lawrence M
Edward
William Leo
Catherine
Always hopeful for a connection.
Thanks!
Murphy
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Hi Murphy,
Don't see any connections at the moment but I have very little on the Fannings yet, so who know's if I get some more information on the Fannings of the Pallis/Palace locality where it might lead.
Margaret
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Thanks for considering,Margaret.
Good luck with your further research.
Murphy
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Pallas is probably the modern spelling of the area and is just outside Gorey, north Co.Wexford.
Early births around 1800 etc would have been in Kilanerin Chapel as this was were the catholic church was. At the time no catholic church was allowed in Gorey until the 1840s when St. Michaels was built in Gorey. Kilanerin is about 3 or 4 miles outside Gorey town. You would not be very far from the county Wicklow border then either when there. Thanks Gerard
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Gerard, thanks for your reply.
Do you know anything about a chapel in Corcannon around 1800, as one of the baptism records has a note that the baptism took place at Corcannon, but the parish is recorded as Kilanerin ?
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Hi Margaret,
I have not heard of Corcannon, but as you say it is probably a townland/area up in Pallas from the maps indicated by other rootchatters.
I met Michael Fitzpatrick the local historian last night at a book launch; and will be calling to him next week for a catch up. I will ask him about the townland of corcannon and if he has heard of it.
The only other thing I can think of is to ask some local from that area. I will ask my mam if she knows anybody from that part of the world who might have some idea. Thanks Gerard
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The names of the families living in Corcanon (note only 1 n) can be found by looking up Griffiths Valuation. There were no Fannings there when that was carried out (c 1853).
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Hi Margaret, I think you need to re-check your location and addresses/townlands.
From my quick look at it this is the following:
Pallas is near Kilanerin outside Gorey in North Wexford and is close to the Wicklow border. If you are in this area; the most likely church for baptisms is Kilanerin Church.
As I said before Kilanerin was the main church for Gorey as well before St Michaels in Gorey was built in 1839/1840's.
Corcanon is NOT in Pallas.
Corcanon is a townland in the parish of Kilcavan which is near/on side of Tara Hill.
Corcanon - Townland.
306 acres. Barony of Gorey.
Civil parish of Kilcavan.
Poor law union of Gorey.
In this case; the local chapel is St. Kevins Church Tara Hill. There is a small graveyard up past it known as Kilcavan graveyard. You are on the "side" of Tara Hill when you are there.
So it may be that your family travelled down from Pallas area for some reason to Corcanon in Tara
Hill to baptise the baby. You can use the small country roads around Tara Hill to get to Inch, then Pallas - Kilanerin area. Hope this helps you.
Thanks
Gerard
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Thanks folks for recent replies, yes perhaps the baptism took place in Corcannon because they family were there for some reason, or perhaps there was some problem with the church in Kilanerin, (It was 1797, so before the 1798 troubles or I might have thought the church was burnt down ) anyway thanks for all useful information.
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There was an Anastatia Fanning born 1800 in New Ross, County Wexford in 1800. http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Fanning-469
I'm wondering if she is the same Ann Fanning of Pallace who married Thomas Moran of Wicklow in 1820 and is buried in Canandiagua, NY. http://findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Moran&GSfn=Ann&GSbyrel=all&GSdy=1860&GSdyrel=before&GSst=36&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=147865503&df=all&
Palace is not far from New Ross and at least one of her siblings was baptized in the Catholic church at New Ross http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=joycemn&id=I2305
Please let me know if you think Anastatia Fanning might be Ann Fanning Moran.
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I think perhaps your Anastatia Fanning may be a different person to Ann Fanning who married Thomas Moran in Wicklow in 1820. I know that her headstone in America states she was from Pallace in Wexford. When I tried to research the location of Pallace I found that in the early 1800s there were 2 places of that name in Wexford. One near New Ross and one between Gorey and Coolgreaney, nearer the Wicklow border. The Gorey one is spelt as Pallas in later records, but seems to have been known as Pallace until the mid 1800s.
So while I don't know which one Thomas Moran's wife came from, I did find that there were Fannings living in Pallas /Pallace in the late 1700s and early 1800s, and there seemed to be common first names in that branch and the Fannings that appear in Wicklow in 1820s. my research leads me to think that Ann Fanning came from the Gorey area location. Ann, when she married, was living in a townland called Sleanaglough (now known as Slanelough), and the Fanning family that lived there consisted of William Fanning, and Robert, Bryan, and Michael, who I think may have been William's 3 sons, but no records to confirm. Ann may have been William's daughter but I can't be sure.
Usually at the time a couple called their first 2 children after the father's parents, and the next two after the mother's parents. The first 2 children of Thomas Moran and Ann Fanning were called James and Mary after his parents, and the next boy William. There was not a second daughter, but the couple had a number of other sons and the name Martin does not appear.
Anastatia was an unusual name for the time, and I have not come across any cases where it was shortened to Ann, I know in more modern times it is shortened to Statia.
So while it is possible your Anastatia could be Ann Fanning who married Thomas Moran, at the moment I can't see anything that would confirm it.
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Thank you Margaret. Please keep me posted if you find out anything more about Thomas Moran and Ann Fanning.