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Hi All,
I am trying to find James Hickman born c. 1848 Wolverhampton, Staffs,
on the 1891 Census.
I have him on the 1881 Census thus:
1881 Census from Ancestry.co.uk
James Hickman Head M Age 33 Occ; tin plate worker Born Wolverhampton Staffs
Ann Hickman Wife M Age 27 Born Wolverhampton Staffs
James Hickman Son Age 6 Born " "
Henry Hickman Son Age 5 Born " "
Mary Hickman Daug Age 3 Born " "
John P. Hickman Son Age 2 Born " "
Address: 1, Price Street Wolverhampton
See Print Out
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2814; Folio: 28;
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His wife Ann was born c. 1843 which ties in with her death.
Death of Ann from Free BMD
Deaths Jun 1885 (>99%)
HICKMAN Ann 32 Dudley 6c 57
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Not sure about the marriage I found in 1867 on Free BMD
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The 1891 Census I found, does not tie in with the other Census returns listed below, even though James is down as a Widower, and the occupation does not seem right either.
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2306; Folio: 62;
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1901 Census
HICKMAN James Head M Age 53 B.1848 Occ: Tin Plate Worker Born Wolverhampton Staffs
HICKMAN Elizabeth Wife M Age 39 B.1862 Born Nuneaton Staffs
HICKMAN Minnie Daug S Age 17 B. 1884 Occ:Pin Press Worker Born Birmingham
HICKMAN John Son S Age 16 B. 1885 Occ; Tin Plate Worker Born Birmingham
HICKMAN William Son Age 12 B 1889 School Boy Born Birmingham
HICKMAN Charles Son Age 10 B. 1891 Born Birmingham
HICKMAN Thomas Son Age 17 B.1884 Occ: Tin Plate Worker Born Bilston Staffs
HICKMAN Ernest Son Age 1 B. 1900 Born Birmingham
Address: 2, Sloane Street, Ladywood, Birmingham
I do not have the GR Number as this was found for me by a friend.
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1911 Census
James Hickman Head Age 62 M Occ: Iron Gate Worker Born Birmingham
Elizabeth Hickman Wife Age 49 M 12 years 2 children 2 living Born Wolverhampton
William Kirby Son Age 23 S Occ: Striker (A Blacksmiths Helper) Born Birmingham
Ernest Hickman Son Age 11 Born Birmingham
Address: 2 Back of 27 Curzon Street, Birmingham
I have the RG number but I do not think I can put it in!!!
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I am presuming James re-married due to an Elizabeth being on the 1901 and 1911 Census, and this was the only marriage I could find:
Marriage from Free BMD 2nd Marriage.
Marriages Mar 1897 (>99%)
Hickman James Birmingham
Lovett Jane Elizabeth Birmingham
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I have noticed on the 1901 that some of the children should be STEP children to James, due to their ages and the length of time James and Elizabeth were married (1911 Census) 12 years.
Also you will notice there is a William Kirby on 1911 Census, whom I think would be Elizabeth's son from a first marriage??
I am wondering if she married James in her Maiden name of Lovett, and that her first husband was named Kirby, in fact John Kirby. I found them on an earlier Census.I also found a death for John Kirby.
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This has followed on from my first problem with Thomas Hickman born c.1884 and who married Mary Ann Evelyn Fletcher.
I have the Birth certificate for Glady May Hickman born 1920, who was his daughter, which proved that Mary Ann Evelyn Fletcher was indeed her mother.
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I have found a marriage certificate for the said Thomas Hickman married to Mary Ann Evelyn Fletcher Sept 9th 1911, and on it his father is James Hickman.
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So, where is the James Hickman I want in 1891??
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I have told you everything I can about what I have etc, hopefully to give you an insight to the Family Tree.
Thanking you in a LOT of anticipation:)
I remain
Very Respectfully
Gillianr
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Could this be him..Indexed as HICHMAN
1891 cens. St Martins Birmingham RG12/2383 folio74 page3
James widower 43 iron plate wkr Wolverhampton
James 16 ...................
Henry 15 .................
Mary 13 ..................
Thomas 6 Bilston
Jackie
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Jackie
Thank you, I will check it out and get back to you either way.
Regards
Gillianr
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Hello Vickie
Yes, thats the one, many thanks:)
Gosh, you were quick.
Thank you again.
Regards
Gillianr:)
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Think this may be Elizabeths first marriage to John Kirby
Elizabeth Foster
Date of Registration:
Jul-Aug-Sep 1883
Registration district:
Aston
Inferred County:
Warwickshire
Volume Number:
6d
Page Number:
495
Records on Page:
Name
Elizabeth Foster
John Kirby
Alfred Joseph Robinson
Sarah Warburton
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Birmingham, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937
about Elizabeth Forter
Elizabeth Forter
Gender:
Female
Birth Year:
abt 1862
Marriage Date:
6 Aug 1883
Marriage Age:
21
Marriage Place:
Sparkbrook, Christ Church, Warwickshire, England
Spouse:
John Kirby
Spouse Gender:
Male
Spouse Marriage Age:
21
Father:
Amos Forter
Spouse's Father:
Joseph Kirby
The original image of the marriage says Foster as surname , and one of the witnesses is a Rebecca Kirby in 1891 census
Class: RG12; Piece: 2383; Folio: 73; Page: 2; Rebecca is down as mother to a John Kirby , head , with wife Elizabeth , and children , one being a Minnie
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Hi Jan57
I don't suppose you could find the marriage of James Hickman and Elizabeth Foster/Kirby.
He would have married her between 1891 and 1901, and according to the 1911 they were married for 12 years, which makes it about 1899 when they married.
I can;t seem to find anything for them.
Many thanks
Gillianr
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Gill
I can't find a birth reg for Ernest Hickman 1899/1900 (Birm)
but...
Ernest Kirby June qtr 1900
Ernest James Kirby March qtr 1899
Jackie
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Jackie
Thanks for that, but have to admit, have not yet checked for Ernest Hickman.
I have just realized I can't find the marriage for James Hickman to his first wife Ann. either.
Mary Ann Cook Walsall in 1867 or Ann Maria W Ross Walsall in 1867.
Those are the only two.
Don't know if you could find anything else.
Regards
Gillianr
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Gill
Could this be James 1st marriage, but surname mis-transcribed. All info on marriage re.James
eg.age-Fathers name + occupation, fit with a James Hickman in 1851 -61-71 living at Wolv.
24th June 1872 St George Wolverhampton
James Hickin 24 bachelor plate wkr. Abode Walsall St. Father Charles -blacksmith
+
Anne Davies 18 spinster Abode Walsall St. Father Patrick -labourer
Witnesses Harry Heigh + Mary Haynes.
Info from FreeReg
Jackie
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In case Gillian wants to buy the cert
Marriages Jun 1872
DAVIS Anne Wolverhampton 6b 747
Hickin James Wolverhampton 6b 747
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Hi Jan57
Thanks for that marriage, but I am afraid buying the cert will be down to my sister in law.
Did anyone find anything on his 2nd Marriage to Elizabeth??
Regards
Gillianr
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Hi,
Thanks also to jacquelineve
I will also look into what you have found.
Regards
Gillianr
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Thank you Jackie,
Yes, I do feel that the 1872 marriage you found for James and Anne is the correct one,
and that James's fathers' name is Charles.
Charles is on the 1861 and 1871 and they do follow through as being correct.
Many thanks
Gillianr
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Hi Again.
I am referring to the 1891 Census for William Hickman and Wife Pamela, and their children.
RG12; Piece: 2233; Folio: 33; Page: 22;
One of the children Mary Ann born c. 1875 age 16, is the one I am asking about,
because on the 1901, William Hickman is down as a widower,and I found his wifes death in 1899.
1901 RG12; Piece: 2233; Folio: 33; Page: 22; shows a Mary Ann Hickman age 8,whom I suppose
could have been born before her mother died in 1899, as this Mary Ann Hickman was born 1893.
The problem I have is trying to find the First Mary Ann Hickman on the 1901. I thought she may have died seeing as how another child was given her name, but I cannot find a death, nor a marriage, or on any other census returns:)
Can you please help again?:)
Many thanks
Gillianr
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I think Mary Ann Hickman b 1875 married , and possibly the Mary Ann b 1893 could be her daughter , and William /Pamela took her in . There were quite a few incidences where grandchildren were passed off as children , especially if they were born out of wedlock
Mary Ann Hickman registered Mar qtr 1893 Wolverhampton RD
ref 6b 669
Other names on the page:
Mary Ann Hickman
William Leadbetter
Mary Elizabeth Spriggs
Jeremiah Walton
Jeremiah Watton
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Births Dec 1892
Hickman Mary Ann Wolverhampton 6b 564
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Hi Jan 57
I think perhaps you could be right regarding the young Mary Ann.
I did find those alternative marriages on BMD, but the Jerimiah Walton one I read as Water/s,
so obviously could not find anything. I will re-check.
Many thanks again for your help
Regards
Gillianr
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Hello Jan57
I think I have found the marriage for Mary Ann Hickman born 1875, from free BMD
Marriage for Mary Ann Hickman from Free BMD
Marriages Dec 1899 (>99%)
Hickman Mary Ann Wolverhampton 6b 986
Shipley John Wolverhampton 6b 986
because they are on the 1901 and he is an Iron Brazier born Wolverhampton and she born in Bilston.
Also on the latest Census 1911 Census for Mary Ann Hickman from Ancestry.co.uk
John Shipley Head Age 35 M Occ: General Labourer at Boiler Makers. B.c. 1876 Born Wolverhampton
Mary Ann Shipley Wife Age 35 M 11 yrs 4 children. 1 living, 3 died.` B.c. 1876 Born Bilston
Gladys Shipley Daug Age 9 School B.c. 1902
Address: 14, Mill Street, Bilston, Staffs
as these do tie in with her birth, etc.
As for the other Mary Ann Hickman I cannot find a death or a marriage.
Regards
Gillianr
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Hi Gillian, I'm doing some research for the BBC on a geneology item and I'm looking into the Hickman family.
I'm particularly interested in John Hickman born 1885. It says on the notes I have that he was born in Bletchingdon, Oxfordshire. Bletchingdon isn't too far from Birmingham and I was wondering if the John Hickman you've mentioned in your first post could be the same?
Sorry for contacting you out of the blue, just thought it would be great if we could make the connection! :)
Hannah
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Hello Hannah
The only 'John Hickmans' I have are as follows;
John Edward Hickman born c. 1852 Darlaston Staffs
John E Hickman born c. 1880 Pretoria, South Africa.
John T Hickman born c. 1911 Dudley Staffs
John Owen Hickman born c. 1870 Sedgley Staffs
John Hickman born c. 1894 Birmingham.
Most of the Hickman family appear to have come from over the 'Black Country' way, ie: Staffordshire, so I am afraid I cannot help you, which I regret.
I have not done any research on this family for a very long time anyway, and rest assured, I have no problem with you coming to me 'out of the blue' :)
Bletchingdon does appear, to me anyway, to be quite a way from Birmingham, but I do hope you can sort your John Hickman out.
Have you tried searching members on Ancestry?
Best of luck anyway
Regards
Gill Reynolds
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Hello Hannah and Welcome to Rootschat
I'm presuming that you have the census details for the above in 1891 census?
John Hickman 1885 Bletchington Oxf. parents Thomas + Mary Ann.
Jackie
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Thanks Gillian and Jackie for getting back to me.
I didn't have that census information so that's great! I'm fairly new to this, we're trying to track down any ancestors that John Hickman might have, any research suggestions would be greatly appreciated! ;D