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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northamptonshire => Topic started by: Connie Sparrow on Saturday 22 March 14 15:19 GMT (UK)
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Thomas and Mary had four children:
John 1805-1824
Elizabeth 1809-?
George Louis 1812-?
William 1814-1815
I haven't been able to find a marriage or death for either Elizabeth or George Louis.
Elizabeth will probably fall out of the woodwork of her own volition in due course. Elizabeth was a popular name in the family.
George Louis is a different matter. Neither name was popular in the family, yet I can find nothing for him unless I missed him in the parish registers.
If anyone can find him, it would be much appreciated.
COLLINGRIDGE has a number of variant and alternative spellings: COLLINRIDGE, COLLINGDRIDGE, COLLINDRIDGE, COLLINGRIDE, COLLINGBRIDGE COLLINBRIDGE, amongst others plus the same spellings with one L
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There was a George COLLINGRIDGE who died in Brackley in 1856
(Quarter Apr/May/Jun Vol 3B Page 3)
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There was a George COLLINGRIDGE who died in Brackley in 1856
(Quarter Apr/May/Jun Vol 3B Page 3)
Unfortunately he's accounted for. He was the son of William and Ann Parker (nee LAKE) (b 10 Oct 1854, d 18 June 1856). William was Thomas's son by his second wife, Elizabeth (nee GIBBS)
Thank you for having a look though :)
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Sorry Connie, I can't find any trace of them...
(I did come across an article in the Northampton Mercury of 16 March 1839 which might be of interest: 'Ann Collingridge, charged with stealing a quantity of wearing apparel, at Brackley, the property of Wm. Collingridge [her brother].')
Steve
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Sorry Connie, I can't find any trace of them...
(I did come across an article in the Northampton Mercury of 16 March 1839 which might be of interest: 'Ann Collingridge, charged with stealing a quantity of wearing apparel, at Brackley, the property of Wm. Collingridge [her brother].')
No apologies needed :) If you haven't been able to find them, it means it wasn't because I couldn't see for looking.
That article is of interest as are the other two. Ann must be Mary Ann who went on to marry a soldier. She and the alleged A N Other took quite a bit. Thank you very much for mentioning this find :)
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Hi.
Although I can not help with your request, on the Northants Strays
the marriage of the William mentioned in Reply 2 is noted.
Hethe, Oxon
12-Dec 1839
William COLLINGRIDGE of St Peter's Brackley, 23 bach lab, son of Thomas, lab to
Ann Parker LAKE of Hethe, 17 spin, dau of Thomas, lab
May help other family members.
Sandy
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Also to possibly tie in with Steve's Reply 3 from the Northants Marriage Indexes.
Brackley
27-Feb 1842
George JAMES otp St Peter bachelor, full age, labourer, father Joseph, labourer to
Ann COLLENRIDGE otp St Peter spinster, full age, lacemaker, father Thomas, labourer
Sandy
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Hi.
Although I can not help with your request, on the Northants Strays
the marriage of the William mentioned in Reply 2 is noted.
Hethe, Oxon
12-Dec 1839
William COLLINGRIDGE of St Peter's Brackley, 23 bach lab, son of Thomas, lab to
Ann Parker LAKE of Hethe, 17 spin, dau of Thomas, lab
May help other family members.
Also to possibly tie in with Steve's Reply 3 from the Northants Marriage Indexes.
Brackley
27-Feb 1842
George JAMES otp St Peter bachelor, full age, labourer, father Joseph, labourer to
Ann COLLENRIDGE otp St Peter spinster, full age, lacemaker, father Thomas, labourer
I hope this works :)
Thanks for the marriage of William and Ann Parker LAKE. Both sets of parents were Thomas and Elizabeth.
The COLLINGRIDGEs were bad enough for recycling names but when the parents get in on the confusion as well ......
And they succeeded in confusing me.
The William and Ann Steve found were the surviving son and daughter of Thomas and his second wife, Elizabeth (m 19 Aug 1815). Ann was bapt 2 July 1815. William was bapt 27 Mar 1818.
Ann had an illegitimate daughter, Ann Elizabeth (b 27 Feb, bapt 4 March 1840).
Thomas (Ann's father) died Sunday 23 Jan 1842. Exactly 5 weeks later, on Ann Elizabeth's 2nd birthday, Ann marries George JAMES about whom I know nothing apart from the information given in the marriage entry you found. I haven't been able to find them in any census, nor a convincing death for them, nor a probably marriage for Ann Elizabeth so far.
I have a feeling (and it's nothing more than that) Ann Elizabeth was George's dau and Thomas told Ann she'd marry George "over my dead body". His cause of death was "Act of God".
Now maybe George was a "badd'un" from the beginning or maybe he was the "more guilty party" being sought and under whose influence Ann was claimed to be acting, would require more research and may not get any answers.
Ann's one month imprisonment was up on 27 May 1839. Ann Elizabeth was conceived on or around 30 May 1839.
That William was prepared to take his sister to court for the theft of his "wearing apparel" suggests the family were decent and Ann was the black sheep. If that was so, Thomas could well have refused his consent/approval even though Ann didn't actually need it at 24.
I know that's conjecture but to find a truth one has to start with a theory, then prove or disprove it. I'm going to try to (dis)prove the theory :)
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The William and Ann Steve found were the surviving son and daughter of Thomas and his second wife, Elizabeth (m 19 Aug 1815). Ann was bapt 2 July 1815. William was bapt 27 Mar 1818.
I have to disagree.
Ann baptised 1815 was the daughter of Thomas and Ann in the original register.
Although on the original marriage certificate a William is a witness, neither he or Ann sign their names.
Sandy
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Hi again.
There is a Criminal Register entry for 11th April 1839 saying Ann was
22 and was given a month in jail.
Sandy
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I have to disagree.
Ann baptised 1815 was the daughter of Thomas and Ann in the original register.
Although on the original marriage certificate a William is a witness, neither he or Ann sign their names.
Ann as the mother could be a mistake (the assumption the first daughter must have been named after her mother/grandmother) but I will delete Ann which also means I will have to delete William as well plus all his descendents since I don't know now who Ann and William were or who their parents were. Thomas the glover and his family were the only ones I knew about.
I don't have anything in my notes about a Thomas marrying an Ann.
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Hi again.
There is a Criminal Register entry for 11th April 1839 saying Ann was
22 and was given a month in jail.
Thank you for having a look.
This Ann isn't a part of my part of the tree. The Ann I incorrectly had would have been 24
It looks as though Thomas and Elizabeth only had a daughter, Hannah, who I have bapt 4 July 1822 and buried 7 May 1825 but I don't think that's right either since Thomas would have been 48 and Elizabeth would have been 43. She would have been too old.
I think I'd best scrap all this side of the tree. Someone else on this side has independently made the same mistake as I have.
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Goodness me there is no need to do that. :o
It was possible it was an error by the Vicar if he made the entry at a later date
on the baptism entry.
I think the fact neither could write means William could have been the plasters labourer
who went with his family to Lambeth being there in 1861?.
If you would like me to look at the originals Brackley P.R.'s for you if you could give me
some dates it might help to link the families.
Sandy
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Maybe if you can start with what you know to be correct we can work backwards.
George James who Ann married was from Syresham and is there with Ann on the 1851.
P.S. My mother was 43 when I was born.
Sandy
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Goodness me there is no need to do that. :o
It was possible it was an error by the Vicar if he made the entry at a later date
on the baptism entry.
I think the fact neither could write means William could have been the plasters labourer
who went with his family to Lambeth being there in 1861?.
If you would like me to look at the originals Brackley P.R.'s for you if you could give me
some dates it might help to link the families.
I believe baptism and burial registers were made up later rather than at the time. I've certainly seen registers where the mother's name is missing but is present in previous and subsequent baptisms.
Yes, I think William did end up in London. The Lambeth family is a pretty close match for the Brackley one.
The only information I am now certain of is that Thomas was baptised 2 Mar 1777, son of Christopher and Ann (nee GARDINER) in Finmere, Oxon. There's nothing in the notes I have that give the marriage of Thomas to a Mary. There's apparently a removal order for Thomas and Mary back to Brackley St Peter from another Brackley parish. I don't think that would have happened if he was a glover but is more likely if he was a labourer of some sort.
Thank you for your kind offer but please don't worry. It seems unlikely the Brackley family is anything to do with my own line. Thank you also for pointing out my error.
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Maybe if you can start with what you know to be correct we can work backwards.
George James who Ann married was from Syresham and is there with Ann on the 1851.
P.S. My mother was 43 when I was born.
The Ann I had was bapt 1815, this one was born 1822. Ann Elizabeth is now Hannah. Little wonder I couldn't find them. The Elizabeth GIBBS (widow of a Mr BLACKWELL) who married a Thomas COLLINGRIDGE was apparently from Syresham.
Medical care by the mid 1900s and later had improved considerably over that of 1822 when little Hannah was born :)