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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: dathai on Thursday 20 March 14 15:19 GMT (UK)
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I was wondering has anyone been able to get info From St Nicholas marriages circa 1900.
I am trying to find maiden names for mothers of the following marriage.
May 30th 1900 St Nicholas.
Guiseppe (Joseph) Savino (musician) Aungier St son of Guiseppe Savino,Farmer most likely Italy to
Mary Rose Gaspano(laundry worker) 27 Chancery Lane dtr of Francis Gaspano,Musician.
witnesses James Martin and Mary Ellen Gibbon.
Now family lore has it that the Savino's and Pacelli family of Dublin are first cousins as Mary Rose Savino was the Mother of Francis and Joseph Pacelli,and are believed to have come to Ireland together as young boys.
I know it will be hard to follow the Italian line of the Savino's but i was very intrigued by his wifes name of Gaspano born Dublin,so i decided to do a search age 23 on 1901 census with her husband at Aungier St so born circa 1876.
Searched indexes and got Mary R Gasparro for her marriage,searched births and baptisms 1620 to 1881 and got Female Gosparth 1877 dtr of Francis Gosparth and Kate Doyle, went to civil index for births and got Female Gosparg 1877.
Then looked on civil index for parents marriage and got Francis Gospard and Kate Doyle 1876.
So now you know why i would like to prove the mothers name as Kate or Catherine Doyle.
Any input greately appreciated.
Thanks
Dathai.
P S , I had found a Mary Rose Gasparro in 1901 age 16 in Kingstown but do not know if there is a relationship to Gaspano.
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Funny one place i had'nt searched was the prison register and who's there in 1876 but Francis Gasparo and his brother Nicholas born 1850s in Naples, Italy, common assault.
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So now i can surmise that the Mary Rose Gasparro in Kingstown age 16 is the daughter of Nicholas going by the Rathdown registrations.
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Hi Dathai
Mary Rose Baptism
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/528fd70344719
Just a bit confused by your message - what exactly is it that you are looking for ?
Tara
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Sister Catherine
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/93b4eb0345935
Tara
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Mary being a Godmother !
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/dc5a180017267
Tara
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An Anthony Gasparo married in 1882 in Rathdown - is he not more likely to be the father of the other Mary Rose ?
Tara
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It would look like Anthony's first wife Mary Josephine died in 1888 and Anthony remarried in 1892 in Rathdown.
Tara
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1884 Thom's has a listing for the Gasparro Brothers Neopolitan Band !
Tara
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Hi Tara
I dont know how you do it but thanks for those.
My original quest was to find out if any one was able to get info from marriages as the microfilm is cut off around 1880 for St Nicholas,i e had any one gone through the process of trying to get information from St Nicholas for that period and how did they fare out,were they successful.
thanks
Dathai
add found what looks like another brother Anthony getting married in Rathdown twice 1882 and 1892 he is probably the 16 yr olds father as she born circa 1883.
Edit must have been typing while you were posting.
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I know you can get the baptisms online for St. Nicholas from 1880 - 1900
http://www.francisstreetparish.ie/baptism_records.htm
If you email them they give you a password !
I got some GREAT leads from them !
No marriages though :-[
Tara
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Had an idea about the baptisms hence the inquiry about the marriages.
Strange goings on here Ellis Island shows Nicholas age 33 and Anthony age 28 Gospurs last place of residence Ireland leaving from Glasgow 7.Oct 1892
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Did they emmigrate or were they just going to do a musical show of some sort ?
Tara
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Never mind that two young children in Kingstown on their own and little John J Gasporo age 12 in Carriglea institution in Kingstown in 1901.
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Wee John seems to have joined the British Army in 1911
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From Petty sessions 1875
Francis Gasparo age 21 Musician 5ft 3 Black Hair Borwn eyes Sallow complexion Naples Italy
Nicholas Gasparo age 18 5 ft 3 Black Hair Brown eyes Fresh complexion Naples Italy musician
Joseph Lagnosa age 19 musician all chareged with common assault.
Other Birth records Francis Gasparro 1885 Rathdown reg. District Jan Mar vol 2 p. 908
Francis Gasparro 1915 Rathdown Jan Mar vol 2 p. 837
Anthony Edward Gasparro b Rathdown 1912
Marriage Rathdown 1935
Anita Gasparro Southampton New York 1951 age 27
quite a few references to Gasparro's travelling to the US.
annclare
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Thanks Anneclare, had seen all the Rathdown references but did'nt know about the petty sessions.
Cheers
Dathai.
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I was wondering has anyone been able to get info From St Nicholas marriages circa 1900.
I am trying to find maiden names for mothers of the following marriage.
May 30th 1900 St Nicholas.
Guiseppe (Joseph) Savino (musician) Aungier St son of Guiseppe Savino,Farmer most likely Italy to
Mary Rose Gaspano(laundry worker) 27 Chancery Lane dtr of Francis Gaspano,Musician.
witnesses James Martin and Mary Ellen Gibbon.
Now family lore has it that the Savino's and Pacelli family of Dublin are first cousins as Mary Rose Savino was the Mother of Francis and Joseph Pacelli,and are believed to have come to Ireland together as young boys.
I know it will be hard to follow the Italian line of the Savino's but i was very intrigued by his wifes name of Gaspano born Dublin,so i decided to do a search age 23 on 1901 census with her husband at Aungier St so born circa 1876.
Searched indexes and got Mary R Gasparro for her marriage,searched births and baptisms 1620 to 1881 and got Female Gosparth 1877 dtr of Francis Gosparth and Kate Doyle, went to civil index for births and got Female Gosparg 1877.
Then looked on civil index for parents marriage and got Francis Gospard and Kate Doyle 1876.
So now you know why i would like to prove the mothers name as Kate or Catherine Doyle.
Any input greately appreciated.
Thanks
Dathai.
P S , I had found a Mary Rose Gasparro in 1901 age 16 in Kingstown but do not know if there is a relationship to Gaspano.
Reading you with interest. The Gasparo brothers, Francis, Anthony and Nicholas, were it seems from Naples. This I know because two of them ended up in the clink for fighting in their early days in Dublin. There’s a record of this on ancestry.com
The James Martin you mention was one of the Martini family who put down roots in Dublin and later Belfast. Son of John Martini and Rosanna Lazzaroni. My family is connected to them distantly by marriage. Mary Ellen Gibbons was his future wife. They lived at 14 Chancery Lane.
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Hello,
I've been primarily researching the Gasparro's and Savino's for 2 years now. I just wanted to leave some information here for anyone who is still interested. The Mary Rose Gaspano that Dathai mentions is Maria Rosa Gasparro. She was born 21/1/1883 at 17 Patrick Street, Dún Laoghaire. She had 3 brothers by the names of Francis, Nicholas and Prosper. Prosper died as an infant and shortly after his mother Mary Ellen Murphy died. Tara was correct, Maria Rosa's father remarried Anne Redmond in 1892. Maria's father was Anthony Gasparro born 4/5/1859 and he was one of 5 children born in Marsicovetere, Italy. He and his two older brothers by the names of Francis and Nicholas, travelled to Ireland in their teens. There are a few prison records for Francis and Nicholas which were discussed in the messages above. They formed a band called the Gasparro Brothers which they performed all across Ireland in. According to newspapers, Francis was the leader of the band. Their birth names were Francesco Gasparro (16/12/1853), Nicola Gasparro (8/10/1856) and Angeloantonio Gasparro (4/5/1859). As I mentioned, there were 5 children. Their 2 other siblings were Maria Cristina Gasparro born 2/3/1851 and Agostino Gasparro born 23/7/1862. Agostino died young in 1867, whilst Maria Cristina stayed in Marsicovetere and married Francesco Maria Ernesto Logiovine. As far as I'm aware, she had two daughters. One died as an infant (Maria Caterina Logiovine) and I don't know what happened to the other (Maria Rosa Concetta Logiovine). The Gasparro Bros were the sons of Prospero Gasparro born 4/11/1817 and Maria Rosa Briglia born January 1823. Prospero married three times and even continued to have children with his other wife in his 70s!!! So yes, technically there are more than just the 5 siblings I already mentioned. The only one I know of so far is Mariantonia Gasparro born March 1886 to Prospero Gasparro and Maria Rosa Zottarielli born 1853. I have multiple trees on multiple sites so if you need any more information just reply here or try and look for my public trees. Now onto the Savino's, The Giuseppe/Joseph Savino Dathai mentions was from the same town as his father-in-law (Marsicovetere) believe it or not and I'm guessing this influenced his marriage with Mary Rose Gasparro. He was born 15/3/1878 at Via Santa Venere, 3. His aunt Maria Rosa Savino who also immigrated to Ireland, Lived next door at Via Santa Venere, 4. He and Mary Rose Gasparro had 4 children. Francis Joseph Savino, Joseph Aloysius Savino, Vincent Bernard Savino and Michael Gerard Savino. I descend from Francis Joseph who was known as Frank, I know that the vast majority of Joseph Aloysius's descendants live in South Africa, Vincent Bernard had 3 children in his 40s and 50s and I believe his descendants live in Canada, Ireland and the UK. I'm not sure anyone knows what happened to Michael Gerard or whether he had children. I think I saw something about his descendants living in Florida and the USA but I'm not 100% sure. Most likely Vincent Bernard's children will know. Giuseppe's father was never listed on his birth certificate and there was never a marriage record for his mother. His mother was Maria Filomena Savino born 11/12/1852 and she was the daughter of Francesco Savino born abt.1813 and Violanda Fratantuono born 1815. I've seen Violanda mentioned on Roots chat on multiple different posts as "Yolanda Frantonia". I do believe Yolanda is some sort of family nickname as there are still living Savino descendants today that bear the name Yolanda. However, Frantonia is an incorrect spelling of Fratantuono. Maria Filomena had 4+ siblings, the ones I know of are Mariantonia Savino born 6/7/1839, Teresa Savino born 21/3/1843, Michele Antonio Savino born 8/6/1845 and Maria Rosa Savino born 27 Dec 1847. At first, it was very confusing because Giuseppe said that his father was a Giuseppe Savino on his marriage record. I'm still not sure why he did this but let me tell you that during the period of which he was born, fathers were not allowed to name their children after themselves in Marsicovetere. I also noticed that Mary Rose Gasparro said her uncle Francis was her father on their marriage record. I'm not sure why they both wrote the wrong father's but I guess we'll never know. I've done much more research on the Gasparro's than the Savino's as it was a lot easier but it's much more info than I had this time last year so I am very happy. I am still currently trying to find Giuseppe's father through DNA so I would urge any descendants to try and test as many people (Especially people that are of a higher generation than yourself) and maybe we will find out one day. There is absolutely no record out there that will help us find him, it's only down to DNA testing now. Hopefully, this helped someone and as I said, there is more info out there but it's on public trees of mine on various different sites so feel free to have a look and also feel free to ask questions here.
Thank You
Joey