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???Hello all.Have been doing research to find my dad's people on his dad's side,as he knows really not that much.I think it is sad not to know your roots,and where you came from!
Am looking for any information regarding his grandparents.....Charles Alfred Waugh,married to Hanna Jane Hill,Weyburn Saskatchewan,Canada...no dates known.They had a son (his father) named William Francis,born July 21,1908.Married his mother in Chelmsford,Ontario.Her name was Christine Groulx,(born in Chelmsford,August 13,1915)He was killed in 1947,Christmas Eve, by a cab driver who was driving drunk.MY grandfather was delivering a piano to children in hospital to enjoy Christmas.
This is all we have ever known....can someone PLEASE help?!
Thanks so much ;D
PS...the grandparents of my dad were Irish,possibly with early Scottish roots.
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Hi, welcome to rootschat. Is this his marriage?
1 Mar 1905 Marriage County or District: Bruce
Charles Alfred Waugh born Eastnor abt 1884
Father : Francis Waugh Mother : Ann Watchorn
Spouse Name: Hannah Hill born Beverly, Ontario abt 1887
Father: William Hill Mother: Catherine Morrison
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Charles's birth:
Charles Alfred Waugh
Date of Birth: 29 Jun 1884
Birth County or District: Bruce
Father's Name: Francis Waugh
Mother's name: Ann Watchorn
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They can be found in the 1891 Canadian census
This gives Francis Waugh's date of birth as 1850 Ontario and says that his father was born in Ireland. Francis was a farmer.
Ann Waugh was born in 1853 Ontario and her father was also born in Ireland.
Children are:
Marsilla Waugh 16
William J Waugh 14
James A Waugh 12
Ellen Edith Waugh 10
Thomas B Waugh 8
Charles A Waugh 6
Ernest L Waugh 5
All born Ontario
You do need to check though if this is the correct family as there seem to have been others with similar names.
If you have access to Ancestry, there are trees on there with this family, some include pictures. You may be able to see them through Mundia, which is free to join, http://www.mundia.com
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http://automatedgenealogy.com
1901/Ontario/Bruce North/Albermarle
Waugh, Francis, Oct 22, 1849, age 51
Anne, wife, b. Sept 17, 1854, age 46
James A., Son, b. aug 22, 1878, 22
Charles A, son, b. June 29, 1884, age 16
Ernest L., son, b. Feb 15, 1886, 15
1911/Ontario/Bruce North/Albermarle
Waugh, James a., head, b. 1879
Margret, wife,
Mable, daughter, b. May 1907
Elgin, son, b. July 1910
Francis and Ann are also listed but I think they may be on the census twice as I found them on another page in Albermarle as well.
1911/Ontario/Bruce North/ 3 Albermarle/page 4
lines 31-37
household 36
Waugh, Alfred, head, b. June 1894, age 26 think year of birth is mistranscribed and should be 1884
Hannah, wife, b. April 1887, age 24
Rita, daughter, b. May 1906, age 5
William, Son, b. July 1907, age 3
Vera, daughter, b. May 1910, age 1
Household 37
Waugh, Francis, head, b. Sept 1849, age 61
Ann, wife, b. Nov 1847, age 63
all born Ontario
Don't get too wrapped up in the ages or years of birth. From research I have found they change on every document you will find. You have to look for the similarities in your search to see what fits.
You can also go to Ancestry to search the 1921 census of Canada for free. You can also search for census at Library and Archives Canada. I don't have the site off hand but you can do a search and it should pop up.
You can go to Family Search. Org to look for bmd's as well. Let us know if you think this is the correct family and we will continue to look for info for you.
Val
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Hello lost
I might have some information on your Waugh relative. My Aunt's maiden name was Waugh and her family came from the Albermarle area of Bruce North.
I will have to look through my files to see what I can find. It might take me a couple of days to go
through what I have.
Where do you live?
Lilybell
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;DThank you all so much....you have no idea what finding this information has done for my father:)
I will be eternally grateful to all who helped! thank you a million times......dad's health is failing due to heart problems,am so happy to give him this gift!
BLESS YOU ALL ;D
I am living in Nova Scotia with my husband,a Reid......now am working on his Reid line as there are alot of blanks with them as well. Am finding more than what he had though-just gotta tie it together with Reids in Scotland. ;D
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Are the Reid's you are researching from Nova Scotia or elsewhere. If Nova Scotia, which county? I have done extensive research in Nova Scotia and may be able to give you some pointers.
Val
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The Reids are from Scotland originally,but settled in the Upper Musquodobit area in the early 1800s.
We found David Reid ,born 1831,died 1898...married to Janet Hamilton,born 1829,died 1897.They were married in 1852,in Musquodobit,Nova Scotia.They had 2 children(that we know of)Frederick and Jessie Anne Reid.David's parents were William Reid,and Mary Grant.....no dates known at all....that is where we got stuck :o
Any help you can give is so appreciated.....Bless you ;D
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Some sites to help with researchin Nova Scotia
www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~canns/musq2.html
www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~canns
www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/Pages/census.aspx
http://geneofun.on.ca/names/ns/R?page=2
http://cemetery.canadagenweb.org/search.html
www.novascotiagenealogy.com
http://automatedgenealogy.com
These sites will take you to information in a book on the Musquodoboit Pioneers. You will have to scroll through a lot of information but it seems that the first Reid to settle in the area are in this book.
Musquodoboit Pioneers - A Record of Seventy Families Their Homesteads and Genealogies 1780-1980
At the Library and Archives site, you can access the available census information for the years that exist. Some of the early census info for Nova Scotia has been lost. Just put in surname Reid and Musquodoboit to find the entries. For 1891, the info in under Halifax County, Polling Station 22. Also, when looking for Musquodoboit info, look at both Halifax and Colchester counties.
For bmd's at the Nova Scotia Genealogy site, early records often didn't exist. You will often find late registrations of birth. Deaths for the years of David and Janet's aren't available. You often need to piece information together using death dates from headstones, etc. to find info at various sites.
It appears that your Reid family may be buried in 2 cemeteries, Hillcrest Cemetery in Halifax County and Bell Gift/New Annan Bell Gift Cemetery. Some of the birth information for the children of David and Janet give their marriage as 1852 in Musquodoboit and other as Stewiacke. Keep that in mind when searching for information.
Also most Scots used a naming pattern when naming the children, such as first male son named for the mother's father, first female child for the father's mother, second male child for the father's father, second female child for the mother's mother, then after the father and mother, then after the siblings of the father and mother. It can help when seaching for siblings of David.
Will post more in following threads.
Val
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Using the links posted in the above thread.
Census info
1861/Upper Musquodoboit
David Reid 5 males 1 female total 6
John Reid 3 males 4 femals total 7
they are on same page 2 lines apart. there are 2 entries for Upper Musquodoboit and 9 for Musquodoboit. You may want to look at Reid's in other parts of the counties.
1871 Census/Nova Scotia/Upper Musquodoboit/Page 30
David Reid, age 40, occupation carpenter
Jannet, age 41
George, age 17
Charles, age 15
Frederick, age 10
Jessie, age 7
Elizabeth, age 4
Ellen, age 2
David, 1 month
Page 16
Reid, John, 50, presbyterian, millwright
Marthaann, 38
George, age 21
Maryann, age 20
Martha, 17
Jane, 14
Elizabeth, 12
William, 10
Esther, 8
Barbara, 6
Ruth, 3
John 1
David and John could be brothers.
1881/Nova Scotia
Reid, David
Janet
on one page and the children on the folling page
Frederic, 21, farmer
Jessie, 17
Bessie, 13 (Elizabeth)
Nellie, 11 (Ellen)
David, 10
Sydney, 5
1891/Halifax County/Polling District 22/
Reid, David, 60, carpenter
Janet, 62
Fred
Bessie
Nellie
David
Sydney
I didn't look at 1901/1911/1921 but they are available at LAC/Ancestry and 1901/1911 at Automated Genealogy
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using
www.novascotiagenealogy.com
for BMD's
marriage
1892 Book 1818 Page 233 Number 6
Frederick Reid
Annie Barrett
marriage 1889
Jessie Reid
Charles Holman
marriage 1894 Colchester County
Ellen M Reid, parents David and Janet
George Jeffers
Death
1934 Book 91 Page 247
David Reid, August 25, 1934
Upper Musquodoboit
married
b. March 3, 1871
farmer
Mary Whiman, niece, informant
birth
Sydney Reid, 1875, Musquodoboit, Colchester County
Ellen Reid, b. June 1869, Musquodoboit, Colchester County, parents David Reid and Jennett Hamilton, has their marriage as 8 June 1852, Stewiacke
Elizabeth Reid
23 August 1867, Musquodoboit, Colchester County
parents David and Janet, has their marriage 1852 Musquodoboit
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using the cemetery search
Bessie Reid, 1867-1947
wife of Burke Dellman (Dillman)
Hillcrest Cemetery Section 145, Halifax Co.
Capt. Charles Reid
b. Dec 28, 1853 d. Jan 15, 1922
w. Annabelle Urquhart 1855-1947
Bayview/Waldegrave/MacConnell Cemetery, Colchester County
I am not 100% sure this is the son of David and Janet but it gives you a date of death to look at.
David Reid 1831-1898
Hillcrest Cemetery Section 199, Halifax co.
d. Oct 14, 1898 age 67 yrs 6 months
Also his wife Janet died April 23, 1897, age 68 years 10 months
And their children Mary died May 12, 1860, aged 3 years, Edward died Nov 5, 1868 aged 7 years, Mary Jane died Jan 1, 1869, age 3 years 3 months
David Reid
1872-1934
also his wife Frances V. 1872-1960
Hillcrest Cemetery Section 349
There are a lot of Reid's buried in Bell Gift/New Annan Bell Gift Cemeteryincluding William N. Reid 1796-1859, died March 25, 1859 age 63, Also his wife Mary Ann d. aug 4, 1883, age 87
I would look at the census info to see if you can find Mary Ann throughout the census years to see where she is living and who she is living with. This may be David's mother. The fact that David and John were living in Upper Musquodoboit doesn't mean the original family members settled there. If they came in the late 1790's or early 1800's, there is a really good possibility they went to the Stewiacke area and branched out from there.
This will give you some sites to look at and at least fill in some of the blanks for your Reid side.
Val
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;DYes,you hit a match!
The list of names my husband has is matching the major part of that group.
Right down to Sydney.......Thank you again for your outstanding work.As you can tell,I am fairly new to this,but have had such a love of history my entire life.Now that(unfortunately) am much older I needed something new to do,and am learning alot! Have beautiful day and SO MUCH THANK YOU ;D ;D ;D
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Everything is right on right up to David Reid being a carpenter.
We know his parents were William Reid and Mary Grant. The other dates would tell me they had to be born in Scotland and maybe even married there too. Have to be the original people who settled in Nova Scotia.
Have searched through every county,PEI and even Quebec.Nothing.
Although my father in law(70) says his father told him that HIS father spoke with an accent and spoke gaelic.Interesting.......but that's my spot on the page. ;D
???
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I went to the book that I gave you the site to look at. James Reid who originally settled in Upper Musquodoboit does not appear to be your direct line but may be related. The John that appears in the census info appears to be a son of the James that is in the book. The David, son of James, that was born in 1831, died age 24 in 1856 and is buried in Pioneer Cemetery. I think the William and Mary that you are looking for may be the ones in New Annan. What other information does your father in law know and how does he know the names William Reid and Mary Grant. Does he know where they are buried. That can be extremely helpful. The Scot's that came to Nova Scotia in the late 1700's, early 1800's would speak both gaelic and english. My grandfather immigrated in 1904 from Scotland and he spoke both. My other line came to Nova Scotia in 1761 as part of the Irish Immigration and 1774 as part of the Yorkshire Immigartion. A lot of Scot's immigrated to Pictou County and then settled across Nova Scotia. There are early Reid families in Cumberland and Pictou counties.
Any information that you can add as to where the ancestors lived and are buried can be helpful.
Val
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Going back to your original post where was William Francis Waugh killed in 1947.
Are you looking for Waugh information or are you more interested in Reid info.
Lilybell
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Yes,he was.I figure that is why dad does not know alot about him.....basic.
He had just turned 8 on December 22nd,and dad was killed 2 days later Christmas Eve,driving a horse pulled sled with a piano for kids at the hospital.Cab driver driving drunk hit him and his horses fell on him and killed him:( I heard this and thought that was so sad.
Waugh is my side and Reid is my husband's side.Interesting to us,we found that some long time ago in Scotland,A Reid married a Waugh,we thought it was cool to put our notes together and see what else we could find out.Thanks for the help.Maybe we are distant relations,your aunt,my dad?
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Hi could you please tell me where this accident happened. Makes it easier to put things together.
Lilybell
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You know....not quite sure,but my dad was born in Hearst,northern Ontario.....
and he was still a young boy,so gonna guess at location around that area.
:o
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I am not really one for 'online trees' however this flags up several names/places you have mentioned as well as having several images of real records which could possibly be of interest to you, you would still need to do the research and prove yourself fact from fiction http://www.waughfamily.ca/Waugh/johnwaugh.htm
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Hey there,
Don't know if this helps or not but found this the other day:
http://www.ourroots.ca/page.aspx?id=173763&qryID=427ea578-073e-4b4c-b6be-7ecf972e9519&pageSizeToggle=large
Jeff
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;DThanks....I read through it, and it sure does seem like the same family group,but cannot find yet,a list of Charles and Hannah's children...I know there were many.Even my dad remembers the connection to being in the woodcutting business,because he did it with his brothers when he was a kid..they used to help dad in the woods before he was killed in the accident.
What an interesting story of pioneers ;D
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Charles Alfred and Hannah's children are listed in the book given to you by Jeffster.
4 sons and 7 daughters
Frank. Peter, Orville, Mancel
Beaulah, Bernice, Vera, Dorothy, Audrey, Rita, Elta
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http://royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/search-archives/
Genealogy Records
There is a death for
Orville Charles Alfred Waugh
b. Nov 24, 1915, d. Nov 20, 1988, age 72
gives where born, residence at time of death, etc.
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http://ocfa.islandnet.com/ocfa-search.php
several Waugh's buried
Colpoy's Bay, Edgehill
Bruce County, Albemarle Township
including Francis and wife Ann Watchorn
https://familysearch.org/search
Verra Mildred Edeline Waugh
b. May 16, 1910, Albemarle
Stella Bernice Waugh
b. April 21, 1912, Albemarle
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;D I had them written down but cannot locate it.....and recognize the name Mancel.....
because always heard the name around when I was a little kid...so know that's the right bunch.
Do not wanna get confused cause am trying to put it all together for my dad for Easter....... ;D
Already know their firstborn son was my dad's dad.Killed when his horses landed on him and crushed him.Terrible accident from what I have always heard.
Thanks for this information.......sheesh-I tried and could not find much on my own.
Bless you all for your research for me.I gathered this a HUGE family and was always told for a reunion years back,they ended up closing down a whole town because there were SOmany relatives :o
Always thought that was funny!
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Hello Lost
This information from A****try William Francis Waugh died Dec 25 1945, Geraldton, Thunder Bay Ontario and Christina Mary Waugh age 86 died Thunder Bay Ontario 2002-1-3. I will do some more searching around.
My Aunt is not available right now so will check with her when she comes back home.
Lilybell
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:o They were my grandparents and I still miss Christine today.She was the only grandparent I ever knew and we spent hours together.She taught me every gardening/nature trick I know. ;D
Thank you for the work you have done.Am writing all this up for my father now as I know all this,and it is going to make him SO happy.His health is not that great now and I thought what a gift I could give him,if I could find out what he has always wanted to know.You really have no idea how much. ;D
Your aunt ia very obviously related to my dad. 8) 8) 8)
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Think i may know this family and be a part of it.Do you know if the Reid family were originally Gillespie's.If so try Denny, Falkirk
T.
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:o Their name has been Reid,as far back as I have ever been researching.Do not think I have ever seen the name come up.They are highlanders too:)They were from Scotland,William Reid and Mary Ann ( Grant)They came to Nova Scotia on the Hector,and later,the families settled in the Musquodobit valley area.They have been in this area ever since,with some going to Truro,and Colchester County:)
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no problems.maybe i got it wrong.
M.
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Hello Lost
If you send me a PM with your e- mail I have some information to send in regards to the accident involving William Francis(known as Frank) I also have a copy of Christina's obituary. Would like to forward them on to you.
After looking through some family records I found a Waugh connection in my stepfathers family.
Lilybell
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Hi there, I am in the same boat. I have been looking for William Francis Waugh for a few years now. He is my grandfather, Christine Groulx is my grandmother, and this is probably the closest I've found to information about him. Has there been any revelations since this post?
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My father also has a picture of William Francis hanging in his house. I can get this if you are interested.