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Title: Witness identification
Post by: londonscorpion on Saturday 15 March 14 13:20 GMT (UK)

Can anyone help me with how I should read the name of the second witness in this snippet of my ancesters' marriage certificate? Is this one person: Elener Luisa Emily Vinall, OR two: Elener Luisa and Emily Vinall, OR maybe Elener Luisa Vinall and Emily Vinall.

Also, can someone confirm the name of the officiant: Henry J ????

Title: Re: Witness identification
Post by: josey on Saturday 15 March 14 13:46 GMT (UK)

My guess is that there was one female witness - all names belonging to her.

Officiant - Henry H Hole [first letter looks a little like the 'K' of Kent, but the middle bar more like 'H' of Henry. 

Title: Re: Witness identification
Post by: Treetotal on Saturday 15 March 14 13:49 GMT (UK)

I would agree with the witness too.
Carol

Title: Re: Witness identification
Post by: Bookbox on Saturday 15 March 14 15:33 GMT (UK)

Sorry to differ, but I think it's Henry T. Hole.

Crockford's shows a Henry Tubal HOLE as serving at St James, Tunbridge Wells, in 1876.

Title: Re: Witness identification
Post by: josey on Saturday 15 March 14 16:38 GMT (UK)

 ;D I got carried away with the 'H's as I'd meant to copy the OP's middle intial 'J' without reading it  :-[.

Yes, it's like the 'T' of 'The' in the church name & nothing like the 'J of 'St. James'.

Title: Re: Witness identification
Post by: Jean McGurn on Sunday 16 March 14 03:56 GMT (UK)

Have you tried looking for Elener on the 1871 census or for her birth?
 

Jean

Title: Re: Witness identification
Post by: Nettie on Sunday 16 March 14 04:08 GMT (UK)

I'm in agreement that all the names belong to the same person and perhaps the mark that looks like a comma may be a hyphen eg Elener-Luisa.

Also, Henry T Hole as the official.

Title: Re: Witness identification
Post by: sami on Sunday 16 March 14 04:42 GMT (UK)

I think there are two witness names on the same line.

Emily Vinall is the second name on that line.

I wonder if the first name on that line is Elener Lewis - spelt incorrectly as Luise.

sami

Title: Re: Witness identification
Post by: Kezlyn on Sunday 16 March 14 08:05 GMT (UK)

I don't know if it's all the name of one person, but to me Emily Vinall is written in a different hand than the rest. The E is different to Ebenezer and Elener, for a start. Makes it likely a separate person, but not definitely, I suppose.

Kez :)

Title: Re: Witness identification
Post by: londonscorpion on Sunday 16 March 14 08:53 GMT (UK)

I have searched census and birth records. I found some promising census results but then it was impossible to be sure. Same with the birth indexes. The name is not that common and is mostly confined to Sussex. Thanks for all your help - at least we have sorted Mr Hole.

Title: Re: Witness identification
Post by: josey on Sunday 16 March 14 12:52 GMT (UK)

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author=Kezlyn link=topic=680822.msg5254382#msg5254382 date=1394957131]
I don't know if it's all the name of one person, but to me Emily Vinall is written in a different hand than the rest.

I was always under the impression that this Registrar's copy was ALL written by one person, that it was the parish register that was signed [or marked] by the parties themselves ???

I'm happy to be corrected though ;)