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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Leeroy_2 on Saturday 15 March 14 07:08 GMT (UK)
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Hi I wanted start on a chat on the Smith family. He is my great great great grandfather. As I see it he had three wives with 12 children in total. I hoping anyone else might be also researching the Smith family that can help me further with my discussion.. I haven't used Rootschat for some time..
ALFRED SMITH & ELIZABETH TUCKER
1. Alfred Smith b.8/7/1958 (1492/1858)
2. John Smith b.14/02/1860 (443/1860) d.1860 (775/1860)
3. George Smith b.13/09/1863 (3332/1863) d.1936 (195/1936)
4. Elizabeth Smith b.25/03/1865 (3288/1865) d.1931 (21105/1931)
5. James Smith b.16/03/1871 (851/1871)
ALFRED SMITH & SARAH ANN COKER (OTHERWISE KNOWN AS GREEN OR PALEY)
6. Henrietta Smith b.30/10/1872 (2728/1872) d. 1872 (1677/1872)
7. Albert Smith b.15/10/1873 (4624/1873)
8. Sydney Smith b.29/10/1876 (3132/1876) d.1935 (12037/1935)
ALFRED SMITH & CHARLOTTE BOWERS
9. Arthur Maynard Smith b.1882 (8830/1882) d.1883 (4604/1883)
10. Clara Smith b.1/8/1883 (9749/1883) d.29/4/1976 (9449/1976)
11. Percy Joseph Smith b.23/3/1886 (???) d.27/8/1973 (61294/1973)
12. Albert Francis Smith b.19/2/1889 (9084/1889) d. 12/8/1950 (15759/1950)
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"...As I see it he had three wives with 12 children in total."
Do you have a death certificate for Alfred SMITH with details of the three marriages and three families, or are you looking to confirm this construction of his life?
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Which State, please?
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Mostly Waterloo, Nsw
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Hi
May I please add to Wivenhoe's questions.....
What info does Alfred give the clergy about himself on each of his three marriages
What certs do you hold for those 12 children ?
Cheers JM
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Hi
May I please add to Wivenhoe's questions.....
What info does Alfred give the clergy about himself on each of his three marriages
What certs do you hold for those 12 children ?
Cheers JM
Thanks JM, I'll list each of the three marriages,
1) Elizabeth Tucker - 26/9/1857 - St. James Church, Sydney
AGE: 21
OCC: Labourer
RESIDENCE: Woolloomooloo
PLACE OF BIRTH: England
FATHER: James Smith
OCC: Labourer
MOTHER: Sarah (SURNAME NOT STATED)
WITNESSES: John Sinclair, Mary Bolt
2) Sarah Ann Paley (Nee COKER) - 1/4/1872 - Bridget Terrace - 2 Devonshire Street, Sydney
AGE: 38
OCC: Carter
RESIDENCE: 14 Hutchinson Street, Surry Hills
PLACE OF BIRTH: England
FATHER: James Smith
OCC: Farm Labourer
MOTHER: Sarah (SURNAME NOT STATED)
WITNESSES: Richard Green, Henreitta Green (Sarah Paley's mother is Sarah Hopper she came from Yorkshire where she married Edward Coker in 1836. The Bans for their marriage were read at A St Dunstans Church East London earlier that year. Sarah Hopper arrived in Australia she married a Charles Green. He came out to Australia as a widower in 1859 on the Nimroud with his children. Thse two children are the witnesses).
3) Charlotte Bowers - 1/8/1888 - 333 Bourke Street, Sydney
AGE: NOT STATED
OCC: STATED
RESIDENCE: Raglan Street, Waterloo
PLACE OF BIRTH: NOT STATED
FATHER: NOT STATED
OCC: NOT STATED
MOTHER: NOT STATED
WITNESSES: Robert White, Jane Dixon
I have three birth certificates, Henrietta Smith, Sydney Smith and Albert Francis Smith.
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Empire Monday 31May 1869
marriage...Emilia SMITH daughter of Mr Edward SMITH, government contractor, of 14 Hutchinson Street
471 / 1869 SMITH Emilia m. FREDRIEND Alfred A Sydney
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This appears to be Charlotte's funeral notices in January 1914 which mentions lots of family.
Her sisters are given as Mrs Lintern and Mrs Hanslow (and there are appropriate marriages for Bowers ladies to Lintern and Hanlsow on NSW BDM )
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article15478555
And a memoriam notice in 1915 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article15563629 and in 1916
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article15637725
cheers,
Ros
adding : there is also a Charlotte Smith, wife of Alfred who died in July 1914 (and I am getting confused :( )
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By the way JM has some excellent advice about those blanks on historic NSW marriage certs. Essentially not all info was passed onto reg so need to contact church archives to get the missing info.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,546609.0.html
I followed JM's advice and received all the info on one of mine :)
cheers,
Ros
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This seems to be funeral notice for Alfred SMITH in 1927 - is this correct? Is there any confirmation of children from different marriages here?
From NSW BDM Alfred SMITH parents James and Sarah at Balmain South reg 6793/1927
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16349943
Or do I have the wrong Alfred SMITH? (adding he would be quite elderly in 1927 ???)
cheers,
Ros
adding : there is also an Alfred SMITH who died in 1906 with parents James and Sarah at Sydney reg 149/1906
death notice http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article14732060 he was 74
funeral notice http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article14731906 no family info
Perhaps you could give us the birth and death dates so I don't go too far off track ;D
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Empire Monday 31May 1869
marriage...Emilia SMITH daughter of Mr Edward SMITH, government contractor, of 14 Hutchinson Street
471 / 1869 SMITH Emilia m. FREDRIEND Alfred A Sydney
Thanks so much for this Wivenhoe. I do not have an Edward Smith or a Emilia Smith. However, being that they're from the same address I'm sure there's a connection. So I've ordered the transcription through Marilyn Rowan just then :)
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From funeral notice Charlotte SMITH 1914 and family names - no mention of Alfred...dead at 1914?...Charlotte buried Waverley Cemetery which might be burial site for Alfred
BDM NSW marriage
385 / 1894 SQUIRES James m. BYRNE Alice M Sydney
10282 / 1906 DENNISS Alfred m. BYRNE Emily L Leichhardt
(who is the BYRNE??)
1349 / 1903 TALL Joseph A A m. SMITH Clara Leichhardt
death
9449 / 1976 TALL Clara parents Alfred / Charlotte
32693 / 1964 SQUIRES Alice Mary parents Edward / Charlotte Burwood
18878 / 1979 DENNISS Emily Louisa parents Edward / Charlotte
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Which family are you descended from please?
From the three marriage certificates...can you name the witnesses please?
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Imay have missed a reply to Wivenhoes question.... But does the dc list all three wives and the offspring? It may be important due to popularity of his surname.
Thanks Ros ...Yes I used my tips on one or two ....seven actually ...of my own NSW based SMITH ancestors......
Cheers JM
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I can give you transcriptions of SMH death notices for Alice Mary SQUIRES age 90, Clara TALL age 92 and Emily Louisa DENISS age 103 :o if you don't have them (and they are relevant) All from ryerson Index http://ryersonindex.net/search.php
cheers,
Ros
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This appears to be Charlotte's funeral notices in January 1914 which mentions lots of family.
Her sisters are given as Mrs Lintern and Mrs Hanslow (and there are appropriate marriages for Bowers ladies to Lintern and Hanlsow on NSW BDM )
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article15478555
And a memoriam notice in 1915 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article15563629 and in 1916
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article15637725
cheers,
Ros
adding : there is also a Charlotte Smith, wife of Alfred who died in July 1914 (and I am getting confused :( )
Thanks so much Ros !! Some great newspaper articles here that have firmed up some suspicion of siblings and different things. I've edited the newspaper auto article and downloaded the PDF. What a great find.
The July, 1914 must be some other person she did pass in Jan, 1914. Interestingly, there was another Alfred Smith child b.1858 (1492/1858) interestingly, he is not seen again. No marriage or death certificate.
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I can give you transcriptions of SMH death notices for Alice Mary SQUIRES age 90, Clara TALL age 92 and Emily Louisa DENISS age 103 :o if you don't have them (and they are relevant) All from ryerson Index http://ryersonindex.net/search.php
cheers,
Ros
Thanks again Ros, more great work.. Wow.. 103, what a great innings !! It's a shame Trove only allows up to 1954 :(
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SMH 20 Aug 1979
DENNISS Emily Louisa - August 19 1979 at nursing home Ashfield, formerly of Haberfield, and Strathfield dearly loved mother of Alf, Dorothy (Cousins) and Vic loved mother-in-law of Gwen loved grandmother of R, K, J, R, S, R, L , C and W and loved great grandmother of their 15 children, aged 103. At home with her Lord.
Will pm the names :)
cheers,
Ros
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Which family are you descended from please?
From the three marriage certificates...can you name the witnesses please?
I modified the earlier post to add the witnesses, but I'll post it again here,
1) Elizabeth Tucker - 26/9/1857 - St. James Church, Sydney
WITNESSES: John Sinclair, Mary Bolt
2) Sarah Ann Paley (Nee COKER) - 1/4/1872 - Bridget Terrace - 2 Devonshire Street, Sydney
WITNESSES: Richard Green, Henreitta Green (Sarah Paley's mother is Sarah Hopper she came from Yorkshire where she married Edward Coker in 1836. The Bans for their marriage were read at A St Dunstans Church East London earlier that year. Sarah Hopper arrived in Australia she married a Charles Green. He came out to Australia as a widower in 1859 on the Nimroud with his children. Thse two children are the witnesses).
3) Charlotte Bowers - 1/8/1888 - 333 Bourke Street, Sydney
WITNESSES: Robert White, Jane Dixon
I decended from the Charlotte Bowers line being the youngest, Albert Francis Smith b.1889.
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SMH 17 Aug 1964
SQUIRES Alice Mary -- August 15 1964 at private hospital, late of Ashbury, dearly loved wife of the late James Squires and loved mother of Alice (Mrs Perkes 58 Garfield Street fivedock) Phillip (deceased) and Hilda, fond mother-in-law of Gladys loved grandmother and great-grandmother of their families, loved sister of Emily. Clara and Percy, in her 91st year.
regards,
Ros
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SMH 17 Aug 1964
SQUIRES Alice Mary -- August 15 1964 at private hospital, late of Ashbury, dearly loved wife of the late James Squires and loved mother of Alice (Mrs Perkes 58 Garfield Street fivedock) Phillip (deceased) and Hilda, fond mother-in-law of Gladys loved grandmother and great-grandmother of their families, loved sister of Emily. Clara and Percy, in her 91st year.
regards,
Ros
Thanks Ros :)
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From funeral notice Charlotte SMITH 1914 and family names - no mention of Alfred...dead at 1914?...Charlotte buried Waverley Cemetery which might be burial site for Alfred
BDM NSW marriage
385 / 1894 SQUIRES James m. BYRNE Alice M Sydney
10282 / 1906 DENNISS Alfred m. BYRNE Emily L Leichhardt
(who is the BYRNE??)
1349 / 1903 TALL Joseph A A m. SMITH Clara Leichhardt
death
9449 / 1976 TALL Clara parents Alfred / Charlotte
32693 / 1964 SQUIRES Alice Mary parents Edward / Charlotte Burwood
18878 / 1979 DENNISS Emily Louisa parents Edward / Charlotte
Bit confused by your message. I might have missed something. But I'll explain the Byrne angle.
Prior to Charlotte marrying Alfred Smith in 1888. She had two children with Edward Byrne, Alice Mary Byrne b.1873 (I have this birth certificate) and Emily Louise Byrne b.1876 (I don't have this birth certificate). In the birth certificate for Alice it states 'illegitimate' for Father. It appears Charlotte and Edward never married.
According to BDM from a search (Again I don't have death certificates their father is listed as Edward Byrne).
I know this is the same Charlotte Smith Nee Bowers because in her newspaper funeral notice both the Byrnes (By then both married with different surnames) are invited as well as the other children from Charlotte's marriage with Alfred Smith including my relative, Albert Francis Smith.
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(You must have fantastic longevity genes Leeroy_2) :)
SMH 28 April 1976
TALL Clara -- On April 27, 1976 of Hawkesbury Road, Westmead, beloved wife of Joseph Alfred (deceased) loved mother of Joseph, Florence (deceased), Clara, Leslie, Ruby, Mavis (deceased), Maria and Billy, fond mother-in-law, grandmother and great grandmother of their families. Aged 92 years. At rest
regards,
Ros
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Imay have missed a reply to Wivenhoes question.... But does the dc list all three wives and the offspring? It may be important due to popularity of his surname.
Thanks Ros ...Yes I used my tips on one or two ....seven actually ...of my own NSW based SMITH ancestors......
Cheers JM
Thanks JM, I do like going through this, gets me thinking and helps discover otherwise missed angles. Firstly, I've attached the Newspaper article from, The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW 1842 - 1954), Tuesday 9 January 1872, page 8 for Elizabeth Smith Nee Tucker. Can anyone make sense of the meaning of the second notice for her funeral ? It's written in some code or something that makes no sense to me ?
1ST WIFE - Elizabeth Tucker
3 MALES, 1 FEMALE LIVING (1 ONE MALE DECEASED). [I HAVE 5 CHILDREN BUT ONE MALE WAS A STILLBIRTH]
WITNESSES TO THE BURIAL: George Shying, William Slaford
2ND WIFE - Sarah Ann Paley Nee Coker
1 MALE - SYDNEY SMITH (AGE) 4, (1 FEMALE DECEASED) [I HAVE 3 CHILDREN]
WITNESSES TO THE BURIAL: James B Black, James Gleeson
3RD WIFE - Charlotte Bowers
CLARA 30, PERCY 27, ALBERT 25 (1 MALE DECEASED) [I HAVE 4 CHILDREN '4TH IS ARTHUR MAYNARD SMITH'].
WITNESSES TO THE BURIAL: James Squires, A Mcelhone
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I think GUO of OF is Grand United Order of Odd Fellows ...?
cheers,
Ros
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I think GUO of OF is Grand United Order of Odd Fellows ...?
cheers,
Ros
I just wrote to them, enquiries@guoofs.com requesting if there they hold any records that might assist me. I would be surprised if I find anything.
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Can you see any relevant probate records on http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/ResultList.aspx
as I occasionally visit there to photograph probate records (etc) for rootschatters. If you are lucky the probate records may contain death certs, marriage certs etc as well as a will and assets. They can be very useful sometimes (and not at other times :( )
Shout if you can see something relevant :)
cheers,
Ros
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Keen investigators, I've across a Alfred Smith who married Eleanor Frances Flower, the marriage date is 6 March 1886 Fitzroy Victoria, and the parents are listed as Alfred Smith and Elizabeth Tucker. It's taken from someone on Ancestry com. Unfortunately :(
I have an Alfred Smith b.1858. Any suggestion to firm this up ?
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ARRIVAL ?
RESIDENCE ?
I have done some research here today and located Alfred Smith living at 23 Middle Street, Clavering (Essex), England in the 1851 Census. I've attached the census report. Any keen investigators able to assess this information ? I know it's SOO difficult researching a Smith and any given town can have a number of Smith's same age with same parent names.. Any tips and suggestions would be appreciated.
I have Alfred Smith who dies in 1906 at his death certificate living in Australia for 54 of his 74 years. This takes me back to 1852 / 1853. I have done a search online on the NSW Records and found a Alfred Smith coming to Australia on board on the Plantagenet in 1852 Reel 2137, [4/4791]; Reel 2467, [4/4940].
Is there anywhere to access these records online ? I notice NSW Records charge $25 fee.
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Oh and I just noticed Elizabeth Tucker (Alfred Smith's first wife) came to Australia on board the same boat plantagenet two years later. Coincidence ?
Elizabeth Tucker's NSW Records Reference - Reel 2137, [4/4791]; Reel 2467, [4/4940]
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Hi
Your profile says you are at Richmond NSW. The NSW SRO is next door at Kingswood and there are NO admission fees and it is open six days a week..... NSW SRO is uploading the Assisted passenger lists to their website for free viewing etc...
Cheers JM
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This is a link to the digitised passenger lists at NSW SRO
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/nrs-lists/nrs-5316
Hope it helps :)
cheers,
Ros
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Thanks so much Ros, a hit for both.. With both found onboard. Great tip !!
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This is my first entrance to RootsChat, so apologies for any mistakes. Alfred Smith was a great grandfather on my mother's side. My grandfather, Percy Joseph Smith, was a full brother of Leeroy's gggrandfather, Albert Francis Smith. There have been a lot of very worthwhile comments made in this chat and I have found it most interesting. Rather than try and answer each individual question, I think it is probably better that I approach my input from the start. But, before that, I must state that for some unknown reason, Percy Joseph's birth was never registered, whereas all the other children of Alfred's 3 wives were.
Alfred was the only son of James Smith and Sarah Ovell, and was baptised in Clavering, Essex on the 15 December 1833. He arrived in NSW aboard the 'Plantaganet' in 1854. He met Elizabeth Tucker on that voyage, and they married 3 years later in 1857. There were 5 children - Alfred (1858), John (1860), George (1863), Elizabeth (1865) & James (1871). John & James did not survive infancy. James's death does not show up on his mother, Elizabeth's, death certificate as he did not die until 3 months after her. There is no blood connection between Alfred Smith and either Emelia or Edward Smith. This latter mentioned couple were at 14 Hutchinson St. in 1869. Alfred is not at the same address until 1872. In 1869, Alfred is either in Botany St. Redfern or in Langley Lane, off Burton St.
Alfred married his second wife, the widow Sarah Ann Paley in 1872 and 3 children resulted - Henrietta (1872), Albert (1873) & Sydney (1876). Only Sydney survived. Sarah's death certificate shows 2 females deceased, but this is an error and should have read 1 male and 1 female deceased.
Alfred married Charlotte Bowers in 1881 and 4 children resulted - Arthur Maynard (1882), Clara (1883), Percy Joseph (1886) & Albert Francis (1889). Arthur did not survive infancy.
Alfred Smith died 7 February 1906 and is buried in Rookwood while Charlotte died 18 January 1914 and is buried in Waverley Cemetery. Unfortunately, no Wills were left by either person.
Of the surviving children of Alfred's 3 marriages, the following is known,
Alfred (1858) married Eleanor Francis Flower in Fitzroy, Vic. in 1886.
George (1863) married Clarice May Sherwood in Paddington NSW in 1902. He died in 1936 in Mascot.
Elizabeth (1865) married John Sinclair in Sydney in 1885. She died in in 1931 in Narrabeen.
Sydney (1876) married Jane Ann Shaw in Newcastle, NSW in 1904. He died in 1935 in Lidcombe.
Clara (1883) married Joseph Alfred Alexandria Tall in Leichhardt in 1903. She died in Westmead in 1976.
Percy Joseph (1886) married Frances McCulloch in Sydney in 1912. He died in Canley Vale, NSW in 1973.
Albert Francis (1889) married Helen Errington Mattsson in Leichhardt in 1909. He died in the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital in 1950.
Alfred's second wife, Sarah Ann, was born a Coker and married Alfred Paley in Newcastle, NSW, in 1863. She bore him 5 male children - Thomas (1863), Alfred Thomas (1865), William (1867), George (1869) & John born in 1870, 6 weeks after his father died. Thomas & William did not survive infancy. Sarah Ann Coker sometimes considered herself (on official documents) as Sarah Ann Green. But she was never a Green. Green was the name of the man that her widowed mother married in 1860.
Charlotte Bowers had 4 children before she married Alfred Smith. They were, Edward Laurence Bowers (1869), Alice Mary Bowers (1873), Margaret Theresa Bowers (1876) & George Bowers (1878). The 2 boys did not survive and Edward was buried as Edward Robert Byrne in Rookwood in 1878, while George was buried as Frank George Byrnes in Rookwood in 1881.
When Alice Mary married James Squires in 1894, she did so as Alice Mary Byrne. While when Margaret Theresa married Alfred Howard Denniss in 1906, she had changed her name to Emily Louisa Byrne
The father of these 4 children was one Edward (Laurence/Lawrence) Byrne and according to Emily Louisa's marriage certificate he was deceased by 1906. As Charlotte never married this man, it is never going to be possible to positively identify him. My own conclusions are that he was probably already married, Irish & a catholic and a carpenter.
I hope that this helps anyone connected with any of these ancestors.
Bill
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hello Bill,
Welcome to rootschat :)
You did wonderfully and provided a lot of useful info for Leeroy. ;)
Leeroy will have been notified about your post and I'm sure he'll be along soon.
cheers,
Ros
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So great to read it so clear and well referenced ! Absolute treat to any researcher to see such clarity !! I'm keen to post a few questions, I should expect some on Thursday. Until then thanks again Bill :)
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first time on this site, so I'm hoping I'm doing this correctly,
My great grandmother Jane Tucker married John Sinclair, and my great grand mother Elizabeth Tucker married Alfred Smith, I think means that they were sisters, and John Sinclair b 1863 who married Elizabeth Smith b 1865 were cousins,
When Jane came out on the Ship Harriet, her parents are listed as Richard and Maria mother dead, father living in Lambeth
When Elizabeth came out on the Ship Plantagenet, parents are listed as Richard and Maria mother dead, father living in Lambeth, Would love to hear what other think, :)
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Dear Linda,
I tracked the Tuckers back to Lambeth and other places and found some births and marriages. I have passed copies of these on to Leeroy and can do the same for you if you wish. Let me know.
Regards,
Bill
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Dear Bill,
That would be great Bill, Leeroy was in touch with me about two weeks ago and did send a few certificates to me which was good of him, and I sent a few back to him, I am interested in Richard and Maria, Any information would be greatly appreciated, Thanks again Linda
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Hi Linda, Bill just sent me some amazing certificates, very well researched was going to ask him if it was okay to pass these onto you. But looks like it's all sorted :)
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Dear Linda,
It would appear that you have the Tuckers in OZ well covered. As mentioned I have been able to trace the 2 sisters back to England and their parents and other siblings. However, there is a problem in getting copies of any documents to you as I don't know how to reduce the file size of each document and each one is generally too big to attach here, there being restrictions on the size allowed. If you don't already have my e-mail address, get in touch with Leeroy and ask him for it. If you then get in touch with me by e-mail, I can attach any records to a return e-mail.
Briefly, Richard Tucker was a Customs & Excise Man. He married Maria Smith at St Pancras on 2 May 1825. Because of his occupation, he moved around a bit, so the children were born in various places.
Richard, the first born, was baptised at St Pancras 3 December 1826.
William followed and was baptised at Battersea 10 August 1828 (born 14 July).
Maria Ann was baptised in South Moreton, Berkshire 11 July 1830 (IGI)
Jane was baptised in South Moreton, Berkshire 6 March 1832 (IGI)
Elizabeth was baptised in South Moreton, Berkshire 19 September 1833 (IGI) and appears to have died in infancy.
George was born in Newbury, Berkshire in ca. 1835.
Elizabeth was born in Glasgow, Scotland in ca. 1837.
Richard's wife, Maria dies between 1837 and 1841 as she does not appear on the 1841 Census, only the above children (except for the first Elizabeth) and a Female Servant, Hellen Allen. I mention this latter person, as in 1843, Richard marries her and starts a second family. I found 2 children to this marriage - Henry and Helen both born in Northamptonshire. This shows up on the 1851 Census with Maria and Elizabeth still living at home. What happens to Richard and Helen and their 2 children after 1851, I have been unable to determine, but they are no longer to be found in any of the later Census. Richard, could have emigrated somewhere, like his 2 daughters, Jane & Elizabeth.
In the 1851 Census, Richard and his brother William are living with a George Green & his wife Sarah. On Christmas day of 1851 Richard marries a Sarah Green, a daughter of a George Green and I suspect the same George Green that Richard and his brother were staying with earlier that year.
William Tucker went on to marry Janet Sutherland in Lanack, Scotland 6 June 1852 (IGI)
George went on to marry Frances Lennox in E. London, in the September quarter of 1859
In the 1851 Census, Jane is shown as being the 'daughter' of a John Tucker and his wife Sarah. But this is an error, and it should have been 'niece'. For on the following page and as part of the same family, Jane's brother George is listed and he is shown as being a nephew of John & Sarah. John Tucker & Sarah Hannah Ball were married in 1843 at Canonbury St Paul, Islington. John states his father as being Thomas Tucker, Clerk. When Richard married for the second time also in 1843, he also stated that his father was Thomas, but occupation Exciseman. No doubt the same father, and if Thomas was also an Exciseman, it probably explains why Richard was born in Ireland while John was born in Kent.
John Tucker was a Cabinet Maker as were Jane & Elizabeth's brothers.
I think That that is about the lot for now. Hope that you can follow it all OK,
Regards,
Bill
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Hi Bill, Thank you so much for the Information, it was great to read,
This Helen Tucker may be our Helen Tucker on the 1881 census
Census 1881 Channel Islands address Ramee Rd parish of Peter Port
Helen Tucker widow head 65 Grocer born St John's Scotland
Henry Tucker son 37 abt 1844 - Gardener Kettering Northamptonshire
Helen Lee Tucker dau age 33 widow b Wellingbora,
Census 1891 Channel Island
Henry Tucker age 47 abt 1844 Lodger, Northamptonshire, Gardener
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Dear Linda,
That would definitely be the family. Helen was 36 in 1851 and is listed as being born in Scotland. I have just been looking for the father, Thomas, of Richard and John. And, I believe that I have found him in the 1841 Census. Tower Hamlets, St Leonard Shoreditch, Great Cambridge Street,
Thomas Tucker 66 No
Elizabeth Tucker 40 Ireland
Maria Tucker 30 No
John Tucker 28 No
Thomas Tucker is buried in St Mary Haggerston MX on 23 December 1849 aged 74, address Great Cambridge Street. I am trying to find, at present, what happened to the above Elizabeth and Maria.
Regards,
Bill
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Hi guys,
Finally able to reply with hopefully a reasonable question.
Any person able to to add to Jane Tucker b. 1831 and John Sinclair b.1829 children. I have eight recorded children ?
1. Jane Sinclair b. 26/6/1856 Glebe (1380/1858) - d.4/7/1908
2. Alexander Sinclair b.14/11/1860 (2238/1860)
3. John Sinclair b.26/3/1863 (3092/1863)
4. Walter Thomas Sinclair b.1866 Berrima (5969/1866) - d.1945
5. Elizabeth Sinclair b.1868 (6541/1868)
6. Amy Sinclair b.17/12/1871 (97/1872)
7. Louisa Sinclair b.1874 (3872/1874)
8. William Sinclair b.1877 (4234/1877)