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Title: Witness Name - suggestions please Completed -Thank You
Post by: Lady Di on Friday 14 March 14 21:37 GMT (UK)
Hi RC'ers
I'm trying to work out the name of the second witness

Appears that the first witness is Henry Shetelworth
Second person is a member of the Gilson family but which one?
(I have a possibility in mind but would like confirmation)

Thanks
Di
Title: Re: Witness Name - suggestions please
Post by: keyboard86 on Friday 14 March 14 21:46 GMT (UK)
OK first into bat, first thoughts as it looks to begin with an "A" is something like Aron?
Will keep a close eye on this one!!

Keyboard86
Title: Re: Witness Name - suggestions please
Post by: Lady Di on Friday 14 March 14 21:51 GMT (UK)
Thanks keyboard86 - Aron's not a name I have on my list of possibilities but it could be right.

Shame he/she has such a bad challenging signature 
Title: Re: Witness Name - suggestions please
Post by: Treetotal on Friday 14 March 14 21:53 GMT (UK)
I wondered if it was Tom.....but when I look again I think I see Sara.?
Carol
Title: Re: Witness Name - suggestions please
Post by: Gadget on Friday 14 March 14 21:58 GMT (UK)
I see Saml  - Samuel

 :-\
Title: Re: Witness Name - suggestions please
Post by: conahy calling on Friday 14 March 14 22:01 GMT (UK)
Looks like "Frank" to me.
Title: Re: Witness Name - suggestions please
Post by: Lady Di on Friday 14 March 14 22:05 GMT (UK)
Thanks for your ideas
I thought it was Saml as well but the more I look at it I'm now unconvinced.

When enlarged, that first letter doesn't look like a "S" to me

Frustrating
Title: Re: Witness Name - suggestions please
Post by: Gadget on Friday 14 March 14 22:10 GMT (UK)
The first letter is shaped in a similar way to the S in Shetelworh, and I'm seeing an a or an o and an m after it:



Gadget
Title: Re: Witness Name - suggestions please
Post by: Treetotal on Friday 14 March 14 22:14 GMT (UK)
 I see the second letter as "o" as it loops upwards....the first as either an "S" or could it be a "T"...Samuel does sound like a good bet but I don't see the second letter as being an "a" but I could be wrong.
Carol
Title: Re: Witness Name - suggestions please
Post by: Gadget on Friday 14 March 14 22:23 GMT (UK)
Can't decide whether it's an o or an a, Carol, but it could be an a and a funny forward bit on the m

 like this  - ~m

 :-\

PS - Di - do you have or can you find a Samuel Gibson around that time?
Title: Re: Witness Name - suggestions please
Post by: Emmeline on Friday 14 March 14 22:25 GMT (UK)
Could it be Janet  ??? ???
Title: Re: Witness Name - suggestions please
Post by: candleflame on Friday 14 March 14 22:28 GMT (UK)
I wondered about Ernest........but then enlarging it didn't make it any clearer for me.
Title: Re: Witness Name - suggestions please
Post by: Lady Di on Friday 14 March 14 22:53 GMT (UK)
PS - Di - do you have or can you find a Samuel Gibson around that time?

I do have a Samuel GILSON - brother of the groom in this marriage - and that's why I thought this could be his signature  :-\

Thanks for possibilities to date ... I've been assuming this is a gent's signature but of course it could be a lady as per suggestions.
The groom had the following siblings: Sarah, Samuel, Rachel & Jacob (if I have the right family  :P )
Can't see any of those names in this signature (except for the "maybe" Sam'l )

Still guessing ...


Title: Re: Witness Name - suggestions please
Post by: Lady Di on Saturday 15 March 14 06:00 GMT (UK)
Finally found a marriage for the (maybe) brother Samuel and it appears that luck may have been on my side as brother John was a witness.

Assuming that Samuel was a witness on the first marriage and Groom on the second - do you think the two signatures are for the same person?
(allowing for the fact that they were done 5 years apart)

Di
Title: Re: Witness Name - suggestions please
Post by: Coco2101 on Saturday 15 March 14 06:20 GMT (UK)
Hi Lady Di

It looks like Saml


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Title: Re: Witness Name - suggestions please
Post by: Lady Di on Saturday 15 March 14 07:40 GMT (UK)
Thanks Coco - you may be right. Both signatures certainly appear similar and hopefully they belong to the same person.
Title: Re: Witness Name - suggestions please
Post by: Gadget on Saturday 15 March 14 07:43 GMT (UK)
I'd  say it's definitely the same hand, Di - the surname is practically identical.  The ink is a bit smudgy in the Saml one!


Gadget
Title: Re: Witness Name - suggestions please
Post by: 1pds on Saturday 15 March 14 07:58 GMT (UK)
I'd  say it's definitely the same hand, Di - the surname is practically identical.  The ink is a bit smudgy in the Saml one!


Gadget
Looks like a truncation of Samuel to me...
Title: Re: Witness Name - suggestions please
Post by: Lady Di on Saturday 15 March 14 08:15 GMT (UK)
I'd  say it's definitely the same hand, Di - the surname is practically identical.  The ink is a bit smudgy in the Saml one!
Gadget

Many thanks Gadget & 1pds
I couldn't believe my luck when I found the Samuel's marriage and the signatures appeared so much alike. Thought it might have been wishful thinking on my part for a while but pleased to read that you agree.   8)

Thanks all - I appreciate everyone's thoughts and assistance  :-*

Di
Title: Re: Witness Name - suggestions please Completed -Thank You
Post by: Treetotal on Sunday 16 March 14 17:15 GMT (UK)
I'd say it was the same too....Nice work Gadget....Glad you got sorted Di.
Carol