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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: Cumbey on Wednesday 12 March 14 13:19 GMT (UK)
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Hi all ... new here, hope I'm in the right place. I've been looking into my family roots on the Notts/Leics border (Wysall and Kegworth in particular). Thomas Cumberland (1580-1643) is the furthest back so far ... but there is a tantalising reference to a Gabriell Cumberland in the churchwarden presentment of 1597 (he gave 8d for the poor). Can't find any other reference to him, but surely he must be a least related, if not Thomas' father? I have no idea where else I might look - any suggestions welcome!
Cumbey
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Hello, welcome.
I have looked on the NFHS cd and the earliest baptism on there for Cumberland at Wysull is 1662.
Earliest Burial also 1662. So sorry , no help there. Likewise Free reg.
Where did you find Thomas's dates?
There is a marriage from the extracted Parish records on Ancestry.
4th Feb 1608-9 Thomas Cumberland of Wysall and Elizabeth Watkin dau of Wm Watkin of Wysall at Stanford.
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Thanks for your reply. The information about Thomas is in the Bishops' Transcripts (and his will). Thomas and Elizabeth Watkin are my 9x great grandparents.
Cumbey.
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Hi Cumbey,
I am back to the same point with Cumberlands, Thomas is my 9x Gt Grandfather also.
Which parish is the Gabriell Cumberland reference, ? do we need to search Leics or Notts /
Chris
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Hi Chris - it's Wysall, Notts. I found him by searching google - here's the link I got:
http://mss-cat.nottingham.ac.uk/Dserve/dserve.exe?dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqCmd=show.tcl&dsqSearch=%28RefNo==%22ANPB1%2F292%2F3%2F17%22%29
I'm not sure where we go from here! Let me know if you find anything,
Sid
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There is a will on Ancestry dated 8th October 1624 for a Gabriel Cumberland. Only problem it was London ,he was a tailor.Any chance he maybe moved to London??
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I found that, and discounted it (can't remember why). In fact I think I bought a copy of his will ...
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I found this reference as well - might need to go to Nottingham University ...
http://mss-cat.nottingham.ac.uk/Dserve/dserve.exe?dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqDb=Roles&dsqSearch=RoleCode==%27ROLEI99748%27&dsqCmd=Show.tcl
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The Nottingham University have responded quite quickly to e mailed queries in the past
mss-library@nottingham.ac.uk probably worth a try
Chris
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Thanks - I'll let you know what happens.
Meanwhile, I'm grappling with the puzzle of why two ancestors (great grandfather and great great grandfather Cumberland) changed their name to Ball, then back to Cumberland ... which accounts for their not being in the 1901 and 1871 censuses under the name Cumberland ...
Israel and James, in case you're interested ...
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I have not pursued the Cumberlands much beyond the marriage of Mary in 1737, to Samuel Thurman a bit far from the Trunk of my tree !, so no knowledge of that at all
Chris
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Hi all. I am searching into my Wysall Cumberland lineage. The earliest I have gotten to is William 1609-1643. + Josie Ragge 1613-1689. Parents of John 1634-1703 (wife Margaret Hornbuckle 1634-1711). Parents of John 1672-1722 (wife Elizabeth Keightley 1678- xxxx). Etc...
I have gotten to my first State side ancestor Thomas Cumberland (1744-1810) Born in Kegworth, Leicestershire' England. Died in Dunbar, Fayetteville County, Pennsylvania.
Has anyone been able to locate prior to William of 1609-1643? Or know of his burial spot? I would assume his wife Josie having lived upwards of 45 yrs. after his death may have remarried but can't be sure.
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In the first page of this post there is information to get you back a further generation, Thomas Cumberland and Elizabeth Watkin
I also have a reference still to be researched of a will at Notts Archives of Thomas Cumberland Yeoman of Wysall Date 4 Nov 1647
Their Reference is PR/NW 79 or maybe one of the other chatters here have already seen this.
It may give more information, or confirm something
Chtris
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Hi,
I could have a look at the Will next time I'm in Nottingham Archives for you sometime over the next 2 weeks.
NG
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:D really?! that would be fantastic! I have seen wills linking back to Thomas Cumberland. The son Thomas that is in my direct lineage was born in 1744 and it looks he is the only one to come to the US, however on census records in the US William lives with or next to him and are within a few years age of each other. So I would assume the two brothers made it to the US. Duane,Butler,PA. Will link below.
http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/soc/faculty/roy/Report16/p3.htm
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Hi,
No problem ;). There are some more wills of Thomas's Cumberland of Wysall one in 1716 Admon and Bond and one Will in 1825 do you what me to look at those too.
NG
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Absolutely! Anything will help. I'm hoping also to see wether my ancestor was sentenced to transportation lol I found one John Cumberland sentenced for stealing 134 yards of Callico and transferred to colony. But I'm not sure if he is any relation.
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Hi Nottsgirl
Just got back to this, and I also would appreciate a look at the 1647 Will if you can.
I am unable to get there at present so anything of interest really useful
Chris
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Hi Chris and CUcumber-land,
No problem hoping to go to the archives later this week. If the Will's are on fiche I'll be able to get you copies if not I'll copy them down.
NG
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I have copies of these wills:
Thomas Cumberland Wysall 4/11/1647
John Cumberland Wysall 18/4/1661
Alice Cumberland Wysall 15/3/1681
... and am busy transcribing them. (John's is an affidavit - he did not make a will). Alice's will is important as it gives us the names of her children - which there are no parish records for).
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Hi Chris and CUcumber-land,
I how have copies of all the Thomas Cumberland's Wills on my memory stick so if you pm me your email address I'll send them to you. Not sure if you will be able to read them but they are the best I can get.
The 1647 one may be the one that's hard to read and Cumbey's copy might be better.
NG