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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: sossle on Wednesday 22 June 05 20:41 BST (UK)
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Could anyone tell me where people who died in Govan poor house would be buried?
Many Thanks
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My own research shows that they were more than likely to be returned to the church of the parish where they originated for generally a paupers grave.
There are/were several churches within that area
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hi,regarding poorhouse burials in govan and surrounding areas i know st.vincent de,paul buried poor people in st.convals in barrhead i know this because it took me 27yrs to find my daughters grave, it is so sad to know there is people buried there and their familys dont know,i fought the catholic church to have a headstone put at the grave my daughter is buried in through my research i found out there is babys and children buried in the one grave from 1938 to 1988 over 2000, in the one my daughter is buried in i kicked up a fuss because the arch dioces said i couldnt put a mark at the grave they werent long changing their minds when i told them i wasnt leaving it until there was a mark put at the grave for my daughter and all the other children they have since put up a headstone and are in the process of building a wall with the childrens names on it, sadly it will only be the names they have on record,if there is somone you are searching for who is buried in a poor grave send me their details and i will do all i can to help. ellen.
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Hi Ellen,so sorry to hear the story of your daughter it must have been heartbreaking for you,i am glad you found her.I had no idea there were burial places like that,mass graves is something you think about from a couple of hundred years ago.I am also haveing problems at the moment my Grt Grt Grt Grt Grandfather died{i Think}in Dundee Poorhouse,i know he was there in 1871 then he disappeared so i am presuming he died in there and probably has an unmarked paupers grave.His son Edward died in Aberdeen Poorhouse and he is also probably buried in an unmarked paupers grave.Its so sad,i wish i could go back in time and talk to them,i would have loved to have known them but it would still be nice to one day be able to put even a little bunch of flowers on their graves.Well done Ellen for sticking by what you believe in more of us should do the same.Anne.
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[hi, ann thankyou for your reply, it is so sad their is paupers graves if you have any ancestors here in glasgow let me know and i will do all i can to help, i know how you feel i wish i could go back as well just to have been able to give my baby the burial she should have had, dont give up with your search there has to be records somwere, i wish you all the best keep in touch and let me know how you get on if you need any help regarding getting a mark at any paupers graves let me know dont let anyone tell you that you cant put a mark you can if your determined good luck. ellenl
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Hi,
Thought I would let you know they have built the wall now at St Convals and they will be putting the names up it costs £150 to get a name on the wall I visited this week with my aunt she has just found her daughter there in the communal grave after 50 years and will be putting her name on the wall.
Helen
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Hi I get the impression it could have been anywhere they had space at the time, but my gggg gran's death certifcate has govan poor house as place of death it was also recorded that she was buried in the eastern necropolis, Glasgow also an umarked shared grave. Do you know what year your relative died? you might find a clue in the dates of first and last burials in the cemetries around govan.
good luck
Jenny
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Hi Everyone,
I'm new to this site....
Would anyone know where and name of the poor house
in Old Monkland...????? ??? ???
Where would they be buried at also if you know....
Name I'm looking for is...
James Brown Died 1907
you have a good forum here....
Crookedtail
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http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?OldMonkland/OldMonkland.shtml
The closest cemetery would be at Old Monkland Parish Church about half a mile away
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Hi,
Thank you so much for the link...quite interesting.....
I will check now to see about James's buriel...
Crookedtail ;D
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Hello
I was wondering where someone would be buried if they died at a Barnhill Poorhouse?? Isabella McArthur Begly/Begley died Jan 18 1869 she was my 3rd great grandmother, I was wondering how Iwould go about finding her and if there are any buried records?? thanks karen
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Most likely in unmarked common ground
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The Mitchell Library holds the majority of the poorhouse records for this area and by consulting them you may get further information.
Unfortunately when residents of the poohouse died it was often the case that the absolute minimum would be done for their burial and many were buried in cemeteries which held "multiple occupancy" public graves, these graves were in the majority of cases also left unmarked.
You may already have seen this site which has some background information regarding Barnhill
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?Scotland/UnionsScotland.shtml
Barnhill is found under Barony parish in Lanarkshire in this list.
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thank you.. Karen
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Hi ellen,
MY brother died 45years ago aged 5 months. He was buried in a paupers grave they lived in Govan. My dad died early and my mum passed away 2years ago. She always wanted to know where he was buried so we could leave a plague to commerate him as back then women were not allowed to the funerals and my father was in pieces soI have no-one to ask now. I came along the year after my brother and I would love to be able to do this for my mum as it destroyed her for years and I want her to have peace now.
Can you please help me
Audrey
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Hi Audrey
Very sad story …
If it’s any consolation your brother would not have been buried in a pauper’s grave
If my maths are correct he died in 1964, and as the welfare state had been in existence since the 1940’s, your brother could not have been a “pauper”.
If his parents could not afford a burial plot he may have been buried in an existing plot of a family member, a cheaper option would have been cremation. Your parents could have received assistance to pay for a basic funeral.
Please don’t confuse a pauper’s grave with an unmarked grave, many relatives could not afford to pay for a memorial headstone.
Your mum may have been too distressed to attend the funeral, I wonder if there are any other family members who could shed some light on where he is buried?
Another suggestion is to find out where your parents were living when he died and research for local funeral directors at the time … they may have kept records
Good luck
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Hi Ellen1, I wondered if your offer of help still stands and if you have come across Robert Kean my 2x great granduncle. he died in the City Poorhouse, Glasgow from TB., on 25 Jan 1877, he was 26. His residence in 1971 was 51 Tylefield Street, Chalmers, Glasgow so I am guessing its in the same area?
Hope you can point me in the right direction, many thanks, Evelina
As to putting up memorials to loved ones I found my 4x great grandmother was buried in Glasgow Necropolis in common ground, so no MI but the Friends of Glasgow Necropolis have a web site where you can supply yoiur relatives detials and they will put in on. This is the mine below:-
Sidney Wade (Currie)
We have the first of, we hope, many profiles of the people buried in
the Common Ground in the Necropolis. Evelyn M Vernolini sent this
information about her 4th Great Grandmother, Sidney Wade.
Sidney Wade was born around 1795 in Belfast, Ireland. Her parents were William Wade, a Labourer and Jean whose maiden name is unknown.
She was married to Matthew Currie, a Tailor, perhaps in Ireland, as at least one of her children, Jane my 3rd great grandmother was born there. I also guess she was widowed before 1841 as Matthew is not on the census after that.
In 1841 she worked as a Cotton Winder and was living in Marshalls Lane, Glasgow. By 1851 she was a Seamstress and living in Red Row, King Street. Calton. She had at least 14 children but 5 of them were not named on her death certificate which says she was buried in Sighthill Cemetery, as certified by James (Howie) Undertaker. However on checking with the Cemeteries department they told me she was buried in the Glasgow Necropolis in common ground.
She died 31st March 1855 at the age of 60 from Chronic Bronchitis at 104 King Street, Calton, Glasgow at 1.30 pm. She had lived in Glasgow for 30 years.
General enquiries: chair@glasgownecropolis.org
Tours: tours@glasgownecropolis.org
Website enquiries: web@glasgownecropolis.org
The Friends of Glasgow Necropolis website is sponsored and created by © Infinite Eye 2005, All Rights Reserved.
Maybe other cemetaries could be persued to do something similar.
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Hi,
Margaret Isabella Henning [see below]died in Govan Poorhouse, I would love to know if it is possible to find out where she is buried. I live in Northern Ireland and cannot get to the Mitchell in person. I would be most grateful if anyone making a trip to the Mitchell would check the records for me. Thanks.
I am researching the tragic life of my relative William Henning and his wife Ellen Davidson Dodds and their family
They left Ireland [ Newry Co. Down] around 1901 for Glasgow with their daughter Sarah Ann Victoria [ born in Ireland 1900]and settled in Maclean Street Govan, Glasgow. [ Sarah Ann Victoria died in 1914 in Glasgow]
Their second child Margaret Isabella Henning was born on the 10 July 1902 at 69 Mclean Street, she died in Govan Poor House on 9th June 1906. The 3rd child Mary Jane Henning was born on the 19th September 1904 at 10 Mclean St Govan she lived just 11 months dying on the 11 September 1905.
Ellen [ William's wife ]died on 15th May 1905 aged 24. William enlisted in the Great War with the Inniskillen Fusiliers -- and yes you guessed it he was killed on the 15th October 1918 --less than a month from the end of the war.
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Vel ...
If you are in or can travel to Glasgow the Mitchell Library would have the Poor Law Records in relation to the family and they would have all of the information recorded by the "authorities" probably including burial details if the authorities paid for them.
PS Welcome to Rootschat
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Thanks for the information. Does the Mitchell respond to written requests or do one have to go in person.
VEL
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Sorry, I must admit I have never written and always visited in person
If you post a new topic headed something like "Mitchell Library Request" you may strike lucky with another RC member going there in the near future.
(unfortunately I will be away from the area for a few weeks).
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hi
if you have name of person who died you can contact martha st register office for info regarding info where they are buried
ellen
ps if you need help re this let me know
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Hi,
Margaret Isabella Henning [see below]died in Govan Poorhouse, I would love to know if it is possible to find out where she is buried. I live in Northern Ireland and cannot get to the Mitchell in person. I would be most grateful if anyone making a trip to the Mitchell would check the records for me. Thanks.
I am researching the tragic life of my relative William Henning and his wife Ellen Davidson Dodds and their family
They left Ireland [ Newry Co. Down] around 1901 for Glasgow with their daughter Sarah Ann Victoria [ born in Ireland 1900]and settled in Maclean Street Govan, Glasgow. [ Sarah Ann Victoria died in 1914 in Glasgow]
Their second child Margaret Isabella Henning was born on the 10 July 1902 at 69 Mclean Street, she died in Govan Poor House on 9th June 1906. The 3rd child Mary Jane Henning was born on the 19th September 1904 at 10 Mclean St Govan she lived just 11 months dying on the 11 September 1905.
Ellen [ William's wife ]died on 15th May 1905 aged 24. William enlisted in the Great War with the Inniskillen Fusiliers -- and yes you guessed it he was killed on the 15th October 1918 --less than a month from the end of the war.