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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Kent => England => Kent Lookup Requests => Topic started by: teegees on Wednesday 12 March 14 09:26 GMT (UK)
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Hi there
Can anyone offer suggestions. I have a forebear Harriett Mary Smith who was baptised St Bartholomew's church Sydenham 19/5/1867.The lds record states her parents as William and Eliza Smith. I have sent to the gro London for birth certificates the first two came back with the wrong parents, deciding to give it one more shot I asked them to search one year either side and have received the answer no record found with these parents. I have Harriett with her mother on the 1881 census living in Lewisham prior to that if I am correct with her grandparents John and Esther Smith in the 1871 census. Harriett marries Frederick Wallis between the 1881 and 1891 Census and also sadly passes away during this time leaving a baby boy William, who in the 1891 Lewisham census resides with his father and grandmother Eliza Smith. I have the marriage certificate of Harriett and Frederick which states her father as William Smith. Any help would be great. Barbara :)
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Hi
What was Eliza's maiden name and when did she marry William
Margp
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Hi Marg .That's the problem I can't find a marriage for William and Eliza so I hoped to get Harriett's birth certificate.
Cheers
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Were there any other children born to William and Eliza
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Which 2 BCs did they send you?
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It's slightly unusual, but this doesn't show 19 May as the baptism date, it shows it as the birth date.
http://www.dustydocs.com/link/19/29381/93736/baptisms-1832-1867.html
(to complete the search, you'll need to put Harriet Mary Smith in the name boxes, 1867 in the date boxes and William and Eliza in the parents' names boxes down the l/h side of the page.)
All I can suggest is that you request a copy of the image - for free - from FS using this form. There is quite a wait, but it may some extra info on it that will help you.
http://lds.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_9tdS7lqbTCW30kR
STG
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Regarding other children of William and Eliza Smith. I Was only able to find Eliza Smith on the 1881 and 1891 census not for any other years so no info on other children or reference to William Smith.
The Birth Certificates I received from the GRO were.
1. Harriett born 5/4/1868 Lewisham to James Smith and Eliza Lumbars his occupation Coachman.
2. Harriett Elizabeth born 20/1/1868 Warehorne Aldington East Ashford.to George Smith and Mary Ann Banks his occupation farm labourer.
Barbara
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Hi
Can you post the census details you have for Harriet, the new search on Ancestry, is useless with a name like Smith
Marg
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The baptism shows William as a Dealer.
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Hi Marg census details I have
1881 Census Lewisham
Eliza Smith Smarden Kent age 63?
Harriett M Smith Daughter b sydenham age 15
Sarah Hind Boarder age 26 Cumberland
William Banks Tolworth Surrey Boarder age 16
1891 Census Lewisham
Eliza Smith age 63 Smarden Kent Laundress
William Wallis age 2 Grandson b Sydenham
Frederick Wallis age 25 Son in law Sydenham
Charlotte Banks age 25 Niece Surbiton Surrey
Annie Banks age 19 Niece Surbiton Surrey
Kate Roberts age 37 Servant
I am looking into the Banks nieces to try and establish a connection I have only just received a birth certificate for Charlotte Banks and her mother was Mary Ann Goodwin who married John Stonebanks.Thanks again Barbara
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Re the Charlotte Banks connection, if you look at the 1871 census Piece: 864 Folio: 17 Page: 3 Red Lion Lane, Long Ditton County: Surrey, there is a big gap between the son George (20) and the next child William who is 6. As the mother Ann is only 32, she can't be George's mother, so it must be a second married for John Stone Banks. Perhaps the connection to the Smiths comes through him
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Hi there groom yes I have seen this 1871 census record and you are correct George was from John Stonebanks first marriage to Elizabeth .Mary Ann Goodwin was his second wife who he married in 1863. I decided to follow Mary ann's line as the name Goodwin has come up before in my family tree could be just a coincidence though.
Just a wildcard to throw in to all you helpful people, I have come across a 1871 census record for Sydenham some time ago as follows;-
Eliza Reynolds B Smarden age 62
William Goodwin B Smarden age 29 B 1842 Brother
William Smith B Egerton age 51 cousin
Horatio Russell b smarden age 19 nephew Do you think this could be my eliza smith wrong age???
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Could well be - the transcription I have gives this
1871 Piece: 768 Folio: 76 Page: 35
Bath House, Lewisham
REYNOLDS, Eliza Head F 42 Kent
SMITH, William Cousin M 51 Kent
GOODWIN, William Brother M 29 Kent
CHANDLER, Susan Servant F 20 Hertfordshire
RUSSELL, Horita Nephew M 19 Kent