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Getting myself completely confused. Have two Flora Grundys in my husband's tree. Both born Tasmania - one to Joseph and Sarah (nee Morgan), one to William and Jane (nee Morell). Trying to ascertain which one married Thomas Buck and moved to South Australia. Birth around 1870's.
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Hi Jessies Mum,
According to my Grundy Tree both were Flora Amelia (just to make things less confusing!!!)
The daughter (born 20 June 1874) of Joseph Grundy and Sarah Morgan married Thomas Michael O'Connor. She had 3 illegitimate children before her marriage. I don't have anything further.
The daughter (born 29 Oct 1873) of William Grundy and Jane Morrell married Thomas Buck. I don't have anything further than their wedding date. (But you seem to know they moved to SA so I obviously need to look there).
To put this into perspective: John Grundy and Maria Hales had 8 children including William, Henry and Joseph. The William and Joseph are named above. The Henry is my great great grandfather.
I haven't looked at my Grundy line for a while but do have a fair bit. Would love to share info with you.
Debbie
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Oh great! The names Flora and Amelia obviously went very well together back in the day!
Am thrilled to know Debbie that you are actually connected also, just brilliant :)
Really appreciate your help.
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Flora and Thomas Buck had a son - Aubrey Leonard, born 1895 in Mount Gambier :)
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Hi Jessies Mum,
I'll get back to you this afternoon. Lot of work to get done this morning!!
Debbie
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;D
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Flora and Thomas CONNOR married after 1896 when the info on certificates was expanded. It confirms her parents as Joseph and Sarah.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-35346-12342-64
Flora and Thomas BUCK
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-35350-968-5
Flora and Thomas Buck had a son - Aubrey Leonard, born 1895 in Mount Gambier :)
So who is this then? This is really familiar to me and I am sure we have gone through the ISLINGTON/GRUNDY thing before but can't remember the outcome.
Aubrey Leonard BUCK
Born: 30 Nov 1895
Father: Thomas Lee BUCK
Mother: Flora ISLINGTON
Registered: Launceston, Tasmania
#617
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-35346-2747-56
KIA 1916
http://dhistory.org/archives/naa/items/1534292/
http://dhistory.org/archives/naa/items/3152631/
Mother known as "Flora RILEY". The word 'monse/munse' in Flora's letters should I think be 'months'.
Mrs. W. Riley desires to thank all kind friends for letters, cards and expressions of sympathy, especially people of Sprent, during her sad bereavement, in the loss of her son, the late Private Aubrey Buck, killed in France, August 25th 1916. Sheffield, October 21.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/50895207
Late Mrs. F. Riley. The funeral of the late Mrs. Flora Riley took place at Sheffield yesterday afternoon in the presence of a large gathering of friends. Rev. F. E. Peffer conducted a service at the Baptist Church and also at the graveside. The late Mrs. Riley conducted a private hospital in Sheffield for many years, and was widely known and respected, being of a kind and generous disposition. In addition to her husband, Mr. William Riley, the deceased has left a grown-up family of three, one daughter (Miss F. Riley) and two sons, Messrs. Thomas and Frank, all of whom reside in Sheffield.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/91721658
RILEY-0n January 9, at her late residence, "Roland View," Sheffield (Nurse) Flora, wife of William Riley, aged 62 years.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/91715137
A(nother?) marriage for Thomas Lee BUCK:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-35347-6783-44
Debra :)
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Thanks Debra,
Looks like we all have a lot more work to do. I haven't looked at this Grundy line for ages. All I had on both Floras was what I mentioned above.
Have to actually do some work this afternoon, but looks like I won't be getting much else done over the weekend... These Grundys always were tricky.
Debbie
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Hi Jessies Mum,
According to my Grundy Tree both were Flora Amelia (just to make things less confusing!!!)
The daughter (born 20 June 1874) of Joseph Grundy and Sarah Morgan married Thomas Michael O'Connor. She had 3 illegitimate children before her marriage. I don't have anything further.
The daughter (born 29 Oct 1873) of William Grundy and Jane Morrell married Thomas Buck. I don't have anything further than their wedding date. (But you seem to know they moved to SA so I obviously need to look there).
To put this into perspective: John Grundy and Maria Hales had 8 children including William, Henry and Joseph. The William and Joseph are named above. The Henry is my great great grandfather.
I haven't looked at my Grundy line for a while but do have a fair bit. Would love to share info with you.
Debbie
Hi Debbie,
I've just registered so that I can post to this thread :-)
John Grundy (who married Maria Hales) was my GGGG grandfather.
I'm getting so confused as there's references to him marrying two Maria's - Maria Hales and Maria Willis. E.g. on Joseph Grundy's (b1848) birth record it mentions Maria Willis, but I'm assuming my GGG grandfather's (William Grundy b1829) mother was Maria Hales??
Are you able to clear this up?? Do you know when Maria Hales died and where she is buried? Or when/where Maria Hales and John Grundy were married?
Thanks,
Kalli
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Hi Kalli,
Nice to hear from another Grundy relative.
I'm not sure how much I'll be able to clear up for you. Most of the information I have on the older generations of the Grundy's is from a cousin who invested a lot of time in researching, buying certificates and going through parish registers in the UK.
I have only been given Maria Hales as the mother of all 8 Grundy children. She is the daughter of John Hales and Mary Farmers. If John and Maria married, it would have been in Berkshire, England. The 6 oldest children were born in Shrivenham, Berkshire and the 2 youngest in Longford, Tasmania.
I haven't been able to track down the death details for Maria.
I haven't done much on the Grundy's for quite a while and have a few gaps to fill in.
Sorry this isn't much help, but I'm very happy to sure what information I have on the Grundy family with you.
Debbie
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Perhaps the HALES/WILLIS thing is just an error in hearing the name incorrectly?
The marriage between John GRUNDY and Maria HALE was in 1825 at Shrivenham. This index by the Shrivenham Heritage Society is titled "Banns - only those not in the marriage register" and I am not sure if that means the actual marriages do not appear in the register because I can't find any of these marriages indexed in the usual places online. The title that it is linked from says "Shrivenham Marriages (including banns where the marriage took place elsewhere) from 1755 to 1961" Maria is of Uffington parish but I can't see a marriage there either.
http://www.shrivenhamheritagesociety.co.uk/downloads/register---shrivenham-marriages-1755-1961.pdf
http://www.shrivenhamheritagesociety.co.uk/listing.asp?listID=1230
Listed here living at Watchfield in 1841:
http://www.shrivenhamheritagesociety.co.uk/downloads/watchfield-census-1841.pdf
They arrived in Tas in 1842 with children William, Mary Ann, and four younger ones not named. The youngest is Maria Elizabeth born in 1842.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NY4S-RQZ
GRUNDY, Maria Elizabeth
Registration District: Faringdon
Volume 6 Page 189
Because she was born eight years after their previous child it might be worth getting her birth cert to confirm the mother's maiden surname and make sure she wasn't a different Maria.
Joseph's birth in 1848 clearly gives Maria's maiden surname as WILLIS but it is possible that it was just heard incorrectly. Frederick's birth doesn't give a maiden surname.
http://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-27-p508j2k
http://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-27-p489j2k
There is an article here from 1876 that I think could be Maria:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/72520547
It says that she was living with her son at the Slate Quarry, and when John died two years earlier his son Frederick was "of the Slate Quarries". It gives her age as 'about 70 years'.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/52893130
A possible death at the New Norfolk Asylum in 1885.
http://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-54p136j2k
Though the circumstances fit, Maria would have been closer to 80 years and I don't know where the 'Adelaide' has come from. Plenty of records have survived and the admission registers should name a family member.
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/default.aspx?detail=1&type=S&id=AB365
You can contact the archives and ask for a search and copy of the entry in the admission register.
http://sltas.altarama.com/reft100.aspx?pmi=lEHn0AKCZG
Debra :)
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Hi Debra,
I apologise for not getting back to you sooner, especially when you have found so much in such a short space of time. As with a lot of things, you just need to know where to look (and have the time - which is a big part of my problem!)
This is going to take a bit of time to digest and work through.
Thanks for all your help.
Debbie
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Hi Debra,
I second Debbie. Thanks so much! Don't know how you managed to piece all that together so quickly :o
Cheers,
Kalli
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Hi
1. Islington link?? I might have missed something, which has already been covered. I can't find any connection to an Islington with Flora GRUNDY. So why is Flora Islington noted as Aubrey Leonard BUCKs' mother.
2. Aubrey Leonard BUCKs' was definately born in 59 Canning St, Launceston, Tasmania.(His aunt living in Brisbane St, Launceston was the informant of his birth)
Record Type:Births
Gender:Male
Father:Buck, Thomas Lee
Mother:Islington, Flora
Date of birth:30 Nov 1895
Registered:Launceston
Registration year:1895
Document ID:NAME_INDEXES:1057575 Resource RGD33/1/79 no 617 (LINC TAS)
3. Thomas Lee Buck - Baker
I found a marriage record for the same name:
St Annes Church,Constitution Hill, Green Ponds, Tasmania
Name: Thomas Lee BUCK (Baker) Record Type: Marriages Gender: Male Age: 34 Spouse: Catharine RHODES (Widow) Gender: Female Age: 41 Date: 22 Sep 1892 Reg: Green Ponds Registration year: 1892 Document ID: NAME_INDEXES:911837 Resource RGD37/1/51 no 14
is this a coincidence with the same name? He's older than Flora's husband, Thomas Lee BUCK, plus her Buck is recorded as younger. Her husband Thomas Lee BUCK didn't hang around for long unfortunately. Flora went on to have two illegitimate children (Florence 'Flossie' Kathleen AUSTIN (nee BUCK) 1912 – 2003, then Frank BUCK 1915 – ) before marrying my 2nd great grand uncle William RILEY (1876 – 1949) abt 1918, then has another child Henry 'Tom' RILEY 1918 –
I hope this helps solve some issues. TRG
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Hi TasGal,
I am still working through various bits of this family and haven't had a chance to work through this particular mystery yet.
Thanks for the info and confirmation of Flora and William RILEY.
Hopefully this weekend I'll find some time to have a better look.
Debbie
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I may have a connection into the Hales Tasmania family.
My connection is a Potter/Hales marriage, John Cochrane Potter to Fanny Potter Family.
John Cochrane Potter, Canon Potter's eldest son, married Fanny Mary Hales, the 3rd daughter of Archdeacon Francis Hales. Launceston, Tasmania, John Cochrane Potter eldest son of the Rev. Canon Potter and Rebecca Cochrane of Melbourne,
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I may have a connection into the Hales Tasmania family.
My connection is a Potter/Hales marriage, John Cochrane Potter to Fanny Potter Family.
John Cochrane Potter, Canon Potter's eldest son, married Fanny Mary Hales, the 3rd daughter of Archdeacon Francis Hales. Launceston, Tasmania, John Cochrane Potter eldest son of the Rev. Canon Potter and Rebecca Cochrane of Melbourne,
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Here is the image of that marriage 24 April 1889. https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD37-1-48p219j2k
Cheers, JM
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Thanks MAJM, I didn't have that one!
Canon Robert Potter's brother, Archeacon John Potter of Ballarat, was married to Sarah Annie Mathews in Ireland, before they came to Australia. Sarah was the sister of John Gibbons Mathews, my 3rd great grandfather.
I have quite a good collection about the Potter family, happy to share. Recently been working on John Cochrane Potter ancestors and descendants. If there are any questions about them, maybe I can help, particularly ancestors, still working on descendants.
Jeanne
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Roll of Honour:
Aubrey Leonard Buck
Service Number: 2458
Rank: Private
Unit: 26th Australian Infantry Battalion
Service: Australian Army
Conflict / Operation: First World War, 1914-1918
Conflict eligibility date: First World War, 1914-1921
Date of death: 25 August 1916
Place of death: France
Cause of death: Killed in action
Place of association: Launceston, Tasmania, Australia
Cemetery or memorial details: Serre Road Cemetery No 2, Beaumont Hamel, Picardie, France
Source: AWM145 Roll of Honour cards, 1914-1918 War, Army
Roll of Honour - Australian War Memorial Website
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Hello from another GRUNDY relative! John GRUNDY is my 4th-great-grandfather and my line descends from his son, Joseph GRUNDY. :)
I'm very new to genealogy research, so was really excited to find this group (I stumbled across it while doing a Google search on John GRUNDY and Maria HALES). Has anyone managed to discover which passenger ship they travelled on to Tasmania? I have spent a large chunk of today searching for them, but haven't had much luck!
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Has anyone managed to discover which passenger ship they travelled on to Tasmania? I have spent a large chunk of today searching for them, but haven't had much luck!
Hi and Welcome :)
They arrived in 1842 on the Royal Saxon:
John GRUNDY, wife, and four children (page 15)
The two older children:
Willm GRUNDY (page 16)
Mary Ann GRUNDY (page 91)
https://stors.tas.gov.au/CB7-8-1-1 (Choose your page number from the left hand menu)
Debra :)
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Debra — you're a GEM! Thanks soooo much for that info ... obviously I was looking in all the wrong places (much to learn)! You've made my day. :)
Julia