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HI DOES ANYONE HAVE THE INDEX FOR THE 1851 CENSUS FOR DERBY PLEASE I AM LOOKING FOR
JAMES TURNER AGED ABOUT 53 WIFE HANNAH AGE 47 POSS BORN STAFFS
I HAVE JAMES ON THE 1861 CENSUS
ALSO THOMAS TURNER AGE ABOUT 18 POSS BORN WARWICK COVENTRY
THOMAS MARRIED MARY ANN MARSH AROUND 1858/9 I HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE WHOLE OF THE 1861 CENSUS AND CANNOT FIND HIM AND HE HAD 5 CHILDREN ALL SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN BORN DERBY BEFORE MOVING TO ROTHERHAM BY THE 1871 CENSUS . HIS DAUGHTER CAROLINE WAS BAPT IN ROTHERHAM WHEN SHE WAS 19 JUST BEFORE SHE MARRIED AND THE DATE OF BIRTH ON HER BAPTISM WAS 1860 AT JOHN STREET DERBY
I HAVE ALSO FOUND CAROLINE TURNER NEE MARSH MARY ANN'S SISTER ON THE 1861 CENSUS SHE ALSO MARRIED A TURNER ANY INFO FOR CAROLINE ON THE 1851 WOULD BE APPRECIATED ALSO.
THANK YOU LORRAINE
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Hi Lorraine
Found this in the 1851 census index for Derbyshire. No other information given I'm afraid as it is only from the index.
2143-168-25
Turner James 51
Turner Hannah 46
Turner James 20
Turner Mary Ann 17
Hope it helps a bit
Sunflower
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Thank You Sunflower
Lorraine
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just for interest
1841 census these are in one family
Lumsdale Matlock
George TURNER 20 Bleacher
James TURNER 15 Bleacher
John TURNER 15 Bleacher
Mary TURNER 10
William TURNER 10
Emma TURNER 8
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1851 wirksworth census
James TURNER Servant M 41 M Butler Burton on Trent
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Thank you for the Turner info
Regards Lorraine
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Lorraine I wonder if this could be them in 1841 ??? :-\
Regards Jan ;)
Derby (St Peters)
Jas Turner 40 Silk Thrower Y
Hannah do 35 N
James do 10 Y
Thos do 20 Tailor Y
Willm do 10 Silk Thrower Y
Mary do 5 Y
Elizabeth do 2 Y
HO107-0199 ED22 Folio14/28 Pg15
And a possible for the Marshes
Bridgegate Court 9, Derby (St Alkmunds)
Richard Marsh 55 Silk Weaver N
Eliza do 40 Silk Binder N
Caroline do 15 Silk Factory Y
Robert do 13 Iron Dresser Y
Mary do 3 Y
William do 11 Iron Dresser Y
HO107-0199 ED13 Folio4/16 Pg27
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Hi Jan
Thank You
The Mary Marsh in Bridgegate is my 2 X Great Grandmother ( I have a copy of this also found her on the 1851 census ) She married a Thomas Turner her sister Caroline also married a Turner one of the sons from the Turner family from St Peters I was hoping they may be the same families but my Thomas Turner on the 1871 and 1881 census in Rotherham states he was born Coventry Warwick Mary Marsh and Thomas Turner had 6 children all born Derby The Daughter of these two Caroline Turner my Great Grandmother was baptized aged 19 in Rotherham just before she married . Cannot find any baptisms for any of the other 5 children It gives the date of birth for Caroline on her baptism but the register office can find no record of it in Derby They should be on the 1861 census for Derby but i have been through the whole of the 1861 and cannot find them .
This is the info from the 1871 Census
16 Henry Street
Rotherham
Thomas Turner 38 Painter born Warwick Coventry
Mary Ann Turner 33 Born Derby
Elizabeth Turner 13 Born Derby
Caroline Turner 11 Born Derby
Mary Jane Turner 9 Born Derby
Louisa Turner 7 Born Derby
Harriet Turner 5 Born Derby
Henrietta Turner 2 Born Codnor Park
Thanks for the help need to find out which of the Turners Caroline married
James Thomas or William
Regards Lorraine
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1861 census
Birthplace
George Marsh abt 1849 Brimington, Derbyshire, England Son Brimington Derbyshire
Mary Marsh abt 1825 Holy Moorside, Derbyshire, England Wife " "
Mary Ann Marsh abt 1851 Brimington, Derbyshire, England Daughter " "
Sarah Marsh abt 1853 Brimington, Derbyshire, England Daughter " "
Thomas Marsh abt 1823 Killamarsh, Derbyshire, England Head "
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do you have sarnsworth in family or farnsworth
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Hi Thank you for the Turner info
No I do not have the names you mentioned but I noticed you have Stenson in Derbyshire . I Have a Ann Stensor married Joseph Lievesley in South Wingfield 9-11-1733 who I am trying to trace .
Thanks again Lorraine
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Joseph Lievesley
Ann Spencer
Marriage: 09 NOV 1733 Wingfield, Derby, England
IGI RESULT
ISN'T GENEALOGY FUN
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Yes much easier now remember buying my first Birth certificate after trawling through the records at St Caths London in 1980
regards Lorraine
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Hi Lorraine, Better late than never. Please find below may data on James Turner.
James Turner was born in Derby around 1801. He married Hannah Parker (Christened 27 Jul 1803 Uttoxeter Staffs). This may not have been his first marriage. Hannah died in Derby in 1871. Thomas their son was born about 1821 (hence was it James first marriage) He married Caroline Marsh in Derby in 1848 and is record in the 1851 census. He died in Derby around 1855. I have more data and census data if you require. James is my 3rd great grandfather.
I would be interested to know your relationship with the family.
Dave.
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Hi Dave
Caroline Marsh is my 2X grandmothers sister Mary Ann Marsh
Mary Ann Marsh married a Thomas Turner but i could never find the marriage they had 7 children in Derby which i could not find . In 1871 they were living in Rotherham Yorkshire . As Turner.
After many years of searching they turned out to be Rowbotham's not Turner when they moved to Rotherham they changed the surname to Turner (Still have not found out why yet usless he did something naughty). But I have positive prove.
Now have the marriage and birth cert for the missing children under Rowbotham
They must have chosen the Turner surname because of the sister Caroline and her husband who they lived near and looks like they were a close family as my Mary Ann was born at the same address as Caroline was living at on John street Derby in the 1851 and 1881 census
I Have info on the Marsh side Caroline Etc but not the Turner's as they are only connected as it turns out by Marriage .
Caroline Marsh was born on the 21-1-1824 and was Bapt on the 15-2-1824 at Bosall Derby they were not church of england
Her parents were Richard Marsh and Eliza Goodman who married at Bonsall
RICHARD MARSH SOJOURNER OF THIS PARISH AND ELIZA GOODMAN SOUJOURNER OF THIS PARISH MARRIED ON THE SECOND DAY OF SEPTEMBER 1823 RICHARD MARSH X HIS MARK AND ELIZA GOODMAN WITT JAMES MARQUEEN AND ABRAHAM HURST
have more info on these 2
Regards Lorraine
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Thanks for that Lorraine.
I know that Eliza Goodman came from St. Georges in London according to census records and that is like looking for a needle in a hay-stack.
I don't think the Richard Marsh was a local boy either as the 1841 census does not quote a place. (Space left blank) He died around 1844. I think he was born around 1785 to 1789 but so were a lot of other Richard Marshs.
Have any additional info on Richard?
Regards
Dave.
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1841 census
Richard Marsh 55 Silk Weaver
not from County
Eliza Marsh 40 Silk Weaver not from County
Caroline Marsh 15 Silk Factory born in county
Robert Marsh 13 Iron Dresser ? born in County
Address Bridgegate Derby
Someone was telling porkies on the 1841 census
10 years older He also could have been married before he married Eliza
DEATH
HC846052 NO 435
TWENTY EIGHTH JUNE 1844 COURT 9 BRIDGE GATE ST ALKMUND
RICHARD MARSH MALE AGE 70 YEARS SILK WEAVER CAUSE OF DEATH DECAY OF NATURE INFORMANT CHARLES BIRCH IN ATTENDANCE COURT 9 BRIDGE GATE REGISTERED 1-7-1844
BURIAL
RICHARD MARSH OF BRIDGE GATE AGE 70 BURIED 3-7-1844
If I have anything else that might help let me know
Regards Lorraine
ELIZA GOODMAN was born St George's Hanover Square I Believe Goodman is a Jewish name maybe why they were not c of e as there daughter Mary Ann who Married Thomas Rowbottam alias Turner did not have any of the children baptized Caroline their daughter was baptized in Rotherham when she was 19 just before she married
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Thanks Lorraine, another piece in the puzzle.
Regards
Dave