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Please can anyone help with a friends brick wall.
Anecdotedly we have Gibson Wake b1857 marrying a Margaret Maclaren in Durham with 9 children, the first Margaret born 1885, the last Violet b 1905, all Sunderland. Margaret Snr was 93 when she died in 1954
The only marriage we can find is to Margaret Cook Feb 25th 1884, father William Cook bottlemaker, witnesses Thomas Carter, and Thomas Wake.
Anecdotedly Margaret's father was a seaman from Leith. I cannot find anybody in 1881 although I think Gibson was in the army in India. I have found a Margaret Maclaren b1862 Hartlepool area, and I think both Maclaren parents William (seaman from Leith) died at sea 1876, and Elizabeth died Stockton 1872.
Can anyone suggest any records to trace a possible earlier marriage of Margaret Maclaren to a Cook please, to explain the change of surname.? It is possible Gibson had an earlier marriage in 1876 although he first enlisted in 1877. Might any banns available for these marriages.
We are stuck and a long way from Durham. Please can anyone help.
Best Wishes
JaneM46 ::)
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hi
I,m not sure from your post wether you,ve seen gibsons service/pension record on FindMyPast but from that he was in india from 4 march 1879 to 27 may 1883.
have you seen this marriage for a William cook to a Margaret Gibson oct-dec 1852 reg dist sunderland vol 10a p 481
does this solve the puzzle
regards
trevor
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Hello trevor
Thank you for picking this up so quickly. Yes I think we have got all his military career from FindMyPast. He seems to have joined up 4x at least between 1877 and 1903 and earned his Chelsea pensions. He has been riveting in between. Durham RO have just pointed out his first 1876 marriage and we are sending for the certificate but I doubt if it is relevant. It is this surname of his second wife that is the puzzle. I cannot find a Margaret Cook in the 1871 or 1881 census that fits. If she is from this Maclaren family and in fact Margaret Surley Maclaren I can trace her back to North Leith, but why the change in surname and "father" William Cook ? She would have only been 10 when her mother died and her father was probably at sea. She was not with her MacLaren siblings either so presumably work house or employment somewhere? We just do not know where to look.
Jane
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Can anyone suggest any records to trace a possible earlier marriage of Margaret Maclaren to a Cook please
If Margaret was 93 when she died in 1954 - she was born approx 1863/4
If she married in 1884 - she would only have been around 21/22
Anecdotedly we have Gibson Wake b1857 marrying a Margaret Maclaren
"Anecdotal info" can often be wrong - people get the generations mixed up so has your friend purchased one of their childrens birth certs to establish Margaret's maiden name?
There's only one Gibson Wake appearing on the 1861/71 census but there is a Gibson Wake marriage in 1876 as well as the one in 1884. Gibson's father was Thomas in 1861/71
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/2DPK-SW5
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NXGP-JH3
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The 1871 has a Margaret Cook aged 9 b Sunderland with a William Swinhoe and wife Margaret. She is shown as daughter.
William Swinhoe was a sailmaker b Newcastle and married Margaret Cook in 1870. If you decide to buy the 1884 marriage cert - it will be interesting to see what her fathers occ is shown as.
There are 5 trees on Ancestry for Gibson Wake and not one of the owners has bothered to buy a copy of that 1884 marriage cert nor do they appear to have looked at the Family Search entry as the marriage is just shown as "January 1884"
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re anecdotal evidence, there is a marriage for a Thomas Wake in 1845 to, amongst others, a Margaret McClashen
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=FreeBMDMarriage&h=29829587&indiv=try&o_vc=Record:OtherRecord&rhSource=8914
This marriage fits with the 1861 census of Gibson with brother Joseph b 1846.
Vera
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Hello All
Thank you for all these suggestions. What an inspired lot you are.
Our Margaret Cook b abt 1862 was apparently illiterate even to her death, but remained very proud of her Scottish ancestry, and always talked of being a Maclaren, with her father William, a seaman from Leith. The name Cook was never mentioned that her grandson and family can now recall.
We do have the 1884 certificate marriage Feb 25th as described above. The Swinhoe /Cook 1870 marriage looks an interesting angle. I had seen the family in 1871 but overlooked the possibility of the wife (apparently previously Margaret Cook), having a second marriage . I will try to chase that up today. Maybe if I can find her daughters birth that will be it, but where do the detailed Maclaren stories come from, and the children from the Gibson Wake/ Margaret Cook marriage do seem to follow the traditional "grandparent naming pattern" of Thomas and Margaret Wake and William and Elizabeth Maclaren.
Thank you all for your help
Jane
Thank you.
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Hello
I have just followed up the Swinhoe / Cook lead but have found William Swinhoe and wife Margaret at 32 Zion Street, Sunderland in 1891 + married daughter Margarert Harrison and 4 grandchildren living with them, so I think we can discount that idea.
Thanks
JaneM46
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Please can anyone help with a friends brick wall.
Anecdotedly we have Gibson Wake b1857 marrying a Margaret Maclaren in Durham.
JaneM46 ::)
Hi Jane,
This may/may not help?
When I started researching my (deceased) mother's line, my aunt (mum's sis) told me her grandmother's maiden name was Lunn which I thought was brilliant as it would be easy to find (not too common a name) :P.
However, after a lot of time, wasted ££'s & detective work, I eventually purchased the correct BC with her correct maiden name.
My grandmother's father died before she was born & she was brought up by her maternal grandparent's (my G Grandparent's) who's surname was Lunn which she obviously used.
It was through census records I discovered who my G Grandmother actually was although I didn't see it straight away as I was so fixated on the name I was given by my aunt who knew no different :-)
Just to let you see a different angle on things ::)
Annie
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Thank you for the many suggestions here. We are fine tuning a bit now.
The preferred grandparents are now Joseph Maclaran glass maker and Christiana Pearson. We have found Maggie Cook b 1864 Durham, in North Leith Scotland in 1881 with widowed Grandma, brothers William m Catherine, and Alexander Cook, married aunt Elizabeth Tolman/ Pullman and husband Samuel Tolman/Pullman, and niece Christiana. Now trying to find her in 1871 as her brothers were with their grandparents but not Margaret.
The parents would seem to be William Cook (sail maker) b1813 Bishop Wearmouth and Margaret Maclaran b1835 Gateshead.m 1852 Sunderland (awaiting appropriate B C from Sunderland RO) but they never have any children with them in the censuses.
We are now wondering, looking at the William Swinhoe (sail maker) / Margaret Cook marriage 1870 mentioned above, if Maggie Cook b1864 Sunderland might actually be Margaret Cooks niece not daughter, and they are actually just caring for her. Proving Margaret Cook b1835 is William Cooks b1813 sister or at least relative, is maybe the next challenge.
The grey matter is stretching today. :-\
Thank you all
JaneM46
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Hi Jane my Great Grandparents were Gibson Wake b 1859 and Margaret Cook b 1865 married on the 25th February 1884 .We had family tree made for us and apparently they could not find any information on Margaret apart from her father's name William Cook .My two times great grandparents were Thomas Wake and Margaret McClaskin married on April 27th 1845 but we are not totally sure whether her surname is correct .I know you posted along time ago but I am new to this page :)
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Hi Andrea. It is several years now since I worked on this tree on behalf of a friend. This couple were her grandparents though and she did remember her grandmother from her childhood. Please could you email me to Removed and I will try to put you in touch . Her maiden name was McBain.
Regards Jane Milne
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They have removed your email address so I will be unable to contact you sorry .
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Dawn
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Hi Andrea
I hope you received my reply to this re explaining the back ground to my research. I am sorry but I cant work out this messaging system so if we cant use emails I dont know how I can help you. I would love to be able to put you in contact with my friend whose tree it is, and I am sure she would also be thrilled to find out more about her grandmother, but it seems this system will not allow it.
I can only apologise.
Best Wishes
Jane Milne
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Gibson Wake married Margaret Cook 1884 (as already stated) - she was daughter of William Cook.
Her birth entry Margaret Cook Mar.qtr.1864 Sunderland - mothers maiden name McLaren.
William Cook aged 38, son of Thomas, married Margaret McLaren 31/12/1852 Bishopwearmouth. Margaret McLaren shown aged 22, dau. of Joseph (however, according to earlier census Margaret born ca.1835, not 1830). Joseph McLaren was a bottle maker. So, William Cook many years older than wife Margaret McLaren and and he was a widower when they married.
Joseph McLaren married Christina Pearson in 1829 South Leith, Midlothian (both born in Scotland). Son Alexander born 1830 Alloa, Clackmannanshire and then family moved to Durham where further children born including dau. Margaret McLaren bc.1835.
Gibson Wake's birth Jun.qtr.1857 Sunderland, mothers maiden name Cook (just to make things a little more confusing). He was son of Thomas Wake who'd married Margaret McClaskin 1845 - she was a widow, maiden name Cook. Indeed, both shown as widowed.
Margaret Cook had married a a William MackGlashon 2/10/1836 Monkwearmouth.
So Cook's on both sides of the family.
Annette
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