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Sophia and George Russell FOULGER
They had 7 kids
Hilda Maude FOULGER
Joyce Muriel Foulger
Clement Dennis Foulger
Ronald George Foulger
Lorna FOULGER
EDNA Jean Foulger
Betty FOULGER
Trying to find anything on Betty FOULGER
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could you please give us some dates
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George Russell FOULGER
Birth 19 August 1892 in Norwich, Norfolk, England
Sophia olive Lockwoods 1896
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Would this be their marriage? -
Sophia H Lockwood
Spouse George R Foulger
Date of Registration - q1 1918
Registration district - Ipswich, Suffolk
Vol 4a Page No 1958
Have you found the birth record of Betty?
JJ
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An online tree has George and Sophia's death in NSW, Australia.
Should we be looking for Betty under Australian records as there only seems to be only three births in the UK for Foulger/Lockwood (unless I'm missing something :) )?
JJ Amended - perhaps 4 UK births -
Ronald G Foulger
Mother - Lockwood-hall
Mar 1920 - Tendring, Suffolk
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Sophia Lockwood and George Russell Foulger they had
They had three kids before they came to Australia al together then had 7 kids
I can't finds
Betty FOULGER
She pass away over 5 year
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To put a time frame to this couple
Marriages Mar 1/4 1918
George R Foulger
Sophia H Lockwood
Registration district Ipswich, Suffolk
vol 4a page 1958
I can only see 3 children Foulgersurname mother's maiden name Lockwood.
A girl in 1919 in Norwich.
A son 1922 in Tendring
A daughter 1923 in Tendring.
Neither of the 2 daughters born in England has a first name that would normally use Betty as a substitute.
The daughter born in 1919 married a Griffis in 1939 and the daughter born in 1923 married a Turner in 1942.
I am being careful with names because we are not allowed to give names to identify possibly living people.
When you say you can't find Betty Foulger what exactly do you mean? You seem to be saying she is dead?
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It might also help if you can give some clues as to whereabouts in Australia they went to, or whereabouts the seven children were born in Australia.
Betty is usually a shortened form of Elizabeth, so her death may be registered with that name. Did she marry, and if so what is her married surname? Is is specifically her death you are looking for?
Remember as crisane said, if any of these people are still living, you are not allowed to give their names.
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Well all my uncle and aunty are all pass away
Edna jean foulger Birth 19 may 1928
Death 28 march 2013
Lorna FOULGER Birth 1926
Death 2-3-1999
Betty FOULGER
Clement Dennis Foulger
He pass away at young age is born over sea
One child I can't finds that was Betty
Here are some of place they live redfern and macksville nsw
Moderator comment: topics merged to keep all information together.
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Sophia Lockwood and George Russell Foulger they had
They had three kids before they came to Australia al together then had 7 kids
I can't finds
Betty FOULGER
She pass away over 5 year
Do you have her death certificate or even know of the name she was using when she died?
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They were in the Hunter Valley in 1936
Electoral Roll 1936
George Rowsell Foulger dairy man
Sophia Foulger home duties
Lorne
Sub district Kendall
District - Cowper
NSW
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http://www.brianfoulgerfamilyhistory.co.uk/descendants%20of%20lazarus%20foulger%20(3a).htm (http://www.brianfoulgerfamilyhistory.co.uk/descendants%20of%20lazarus%20foulger%20(3a).htm)
This is a Foulger family history page which identifies your family but with only four children. Perhaps if you click on the home page and contact the page owner, he may be able to help you with your questions.
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No I have no idea what her last name was when she pass away :(
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23337/1949
BENNETT Percy Charles
FOULGER Betty Evelyn
District Redfern
Australian Electoral Roll
1954
BENNETT Betty Evelyn 19 Wilson Lane, Golden Grove HD
BENNETT Percy Charles 19 Wilson Lane, Golden Grove Ironworker
They do not appear together at the same address after 1954. Electoral rolls only available online to 1980.
http://www.ryersonindex.org/
BENNETT Betty Evelyn
Death 13 Feb 1990
Published in the Sydney Morning Herald 14 Feb 1990
Cheers
Cando
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FreeBMD has a birth registration for:
ROWSELL, Betty Evelyn
Q1 1905,
Mildenhall Registration District
Vol 4a, p. 985
STG
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Sydney Morning herald 14 feb 1990
BENNETT Betty Evelyn (nee Foulger) - February 13 1990 at hospital, late of Alexandria beloved wife of Leslie William (deceased) loving mother of R and M loved grandmother of K P D K and G and loving great grandmother of C
Rest in peace
I will pm you the names TraceyMum :)
cheers,
Ros
Great find Cando :) ;)
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FreeBMD has a birth registration for:
ROWSELL, Betty Evelyn
Q1 1905,
Mildenhall Registration District
Vol 4a, p. 985
STG
May I ask please...what is the connection with a Betty FOULGER who the OP claims is the daughter of George Russell FOULGER and Sophia LOCKWOOD who married in 1918 in the UK and emigrated to Australia?
Betty Evelyn BENNETT was enrolled to vote at the same address as a Leslie William BENNETT from 1963 however I didn't mention it as it was possible he may have been a son.
Cando
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BENNETT Leslie William
Death 15 Feb 1985 56 years
Late of Macksville
Published in the Sydney Morning Herald 16 Feb 1985
Cando
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George and Sophia is Betty parent not sure if that what u mean p
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Yesss that her as I remember Betty husband name was Les thank you so much for your help :) :)
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> May I ask please .... what is the connection between Betty FOULGER ...
In a post above from crisane (1st post, top of p2) it says that in the 1936 ER, George Foulger was listed as George ROWSELL Foulger.
I searched, without specifying a surname, for children called Betty Evelyn/Betty E b. 1900-1918 (just in case she was born before George and Sophia were married) and up popped this name.
I'm just throwing it into the mix ...
STG
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George and Sophia is Betty parent not sure if that what u mean p
George and Sophia might have brought Betty up, but that's not the same thing as actually being her birth parents.
If George gives his middle name as Rowsell in 1936 and there's a Betty Evelyn Rowsell b.1905, it seems likely to me that there's a connection, but without seeing Betty's birth certificate, we just don't know what that connection is.
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Yesss that her as I remember Betty husband name was Les thank you so much for your help :) :)
But she married Percy Charles BENNETT ::)
Tracy we cannot prove that Betty Evelyn FOULGER is their dau as births are not available in NSW post 1913 online and to 1918 on CD.
Her marriage certificate to Percy Charles BENNETT would detail her age and place of birth; the names of her parents including her mother's maiden name and her father's occupation etc.
Death certificates are restricted to the general public for 30 years in NSW.
Cando
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Sydney Morning Herald 16 feb 1985
BENNETT Leslie William February 15 1985 at hospital late of Macksville dearly beloved husband of Betty, loving father of R, loved grandfather of K and P loved by all his relatives and friends aged 56 years
Rest in Peace
Interesting that his children are less than Betty's children
regards,
Ros
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George and Sophia is Betty parent not sure if that what u mean p
George and Sophia might have brought Betty up, but that's not the same thing as actually being her birth parents.
If George gives his middle name as Rowsell in 1936 and there's a Betty Evelyn Rowsell b.1905, it seems likely to me that there's a connection, but without seeing Betty's birth certificate, we just don't know what that connection is.
Betty Evelyn FOULGER was obviously born in New South Wales and that information is simply not available in the public arena. We have strict privacy laws.
Tracey if you purchase a transcription of either George Russell FOULGER's death certificate or his wife's, it will give the names of the children of the marriage, their ages and whether living or deceased.
George appears to be the son of ...
Marriages Sep 1886
AMES Ellen Jane Norwich 4b/200
FOULGER Clement Norwich 4b/200
I would suggest that his name as been mistranscribed on the electoral rolls.
They had a son Clement Dennis who died in 1940 in NSW, but you may have those details.
Too late for me to type up the 1901 census. Someone else may be kind enough to do that.
Cheers
Cando
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Tracey there is a mention of a FOULGER family and a G FOULGER on the passenger arrivals index on NAA arriving Perth and then Sydney 22 Dec 1924. There are no further details.
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/index.aspx
Cando
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A bit more on George's ancestry.....let's hope it is correct.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.warren7/7967.htm
Cando
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There is a probate packet for Sophia FOULGER at NSW state records
http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/Entity.aspx?Path=\Item\1119161
Sophia FOULGER (or Olive St Clair) ???
TraceyMum I can photograph this for you next time I visit NSW state records (probably a couple of weeks) if you wish. Probate packets may contain death certs and a will and other useful info
regards,
Ros
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I thinking of getting there marry paper work
Sophia Olive
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Eastern Suburbs Cemetery
http://www.esmp.net.au/
FOULGER George Russell 67 years Interred 22 Dec 1961
Location A12A – Anglican FM 12A – Grave 169
FOULGER Sophia 64 years Interred 28 May 1964
Location A12A – Anglican FM 12A – Grave 169
BENNETT Betty Evelyn 58 years Interred 15 Feb 1990
Location – Crematorium Chapel Gardens, Garden D11
BENNETT Leslie William 56 years Interred 18 Feb 1985
Location – Crematorium Chapel Gardens, Garden D11
Cando
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FOULGER George Russell
Baptised 1 Apr 1893 St Etheldred with St Peter Southgate, Norwich, Norfolk
Father Clement Mother Jane Ellen.
1901 Census RG13/1841/53/33.
Living at 16 Stuart Street, Norwich
FOULGER Clement Head 39 years Carpenter All born Norwich, Norfolk
FOULGER Ellen J Wife 39 years
FOULGER Clement C Son 12 years
FOULGER Frank A Son 10 years
FOULGER George R Son 8 years
FOULGER Reginald E Son 6 years
FOULGER Horace Son 18 months
There was a dau by 1911
Births Sep 1904
FOULGER Grace Hilda Norwich 4b/140
There is a George R FOULGER, Servant, 18 years of age born England [Aug 1892] on the 1911 Canadian census living in East Huron, Ontario. It certainly matches your George’s details especially the Sept qtr 1892 birth. 1911 Census Place Wawanosh East, Huron East, Ontario, Page 3, Family No 30.
Arrived Liverpool from Montreal on 30 Nov 1914 on the MISSANABE
FOLGER ??He, 24, Bridgeman 42 Southwell Road, Norwich. Country of last permanent residence, Canada. Country of intended permanent residence, England.
FOLGER Geo, 22 years, Railroad, 43 Southwell Road, Norwich. Country of last permanent residence, Canada. Country of intended permanent residence, England.
I found a public tree with limited information on Ancestry late last night but today it has been made private. It appears to be yours.
Perhaps you may like to look at this public tree also. Perhaps it was the source of your information.
http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/21828663/person/1139660025
There appears to be an error with Ellen Jane’s year of death [1901] on the public tree as she was listed on the 1911 census as Jane. Definitely her by the years of marriage and number of children.
Cando
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Sophia Foulger and George they separate can anyone tell me where best area to find out more on this
Thank Tracey :)
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They are buried in the same grave -
FOULGER George Russell 67 years Interred 22 Dec 1961
Location A12A – Anglican FM 12A – Grave 169
FOULGER Sophia 64 years Interred 28 May 1964
Location A12A – Anglican FM 12A – Grave 169
Did they divorce or only separate?
Cando
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They died in the same district
32591/1961
FOULGER George Russell
District Balmain
16798/1964
FOULGER Sophia
District Balmain
They last appear together on the 1936 electoral roll.
Their death certificates may help you eg their usual residences should be noted.
There is a George FOULGER on the roll in Sydney from 1943. No way of knowing if it is your man.
I can't see a listing for Sophia.
Cando
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rwindsor posted earlier in the thread ;)
There is a probate packet for Sophia FOULGER at NSW state records
http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/Entity.aspx?Path=\Item\1119161
Sophia FOULGER (or Olive St Clair) ???
TraceyMum I can photograph this for you next time I visit NSW state records (probably a couple of weeks) if you wish. Probate packets may contain death certs and a will and other useful info
regards,
Ros
Cando
Ah the previous post has been removed.
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They are buried in same place
Don't know if they divorce or only separate but I do know they separate
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Tracey are you reading all the posts on the thread?
Did you contact Ros about the probate packet she offered to copy for you?
Cando
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Yes Cando, TraceyMum has already contacted me and I will photograph for her. :)
If they were divorced in NSW then it should appear on NSW state records (and it doesn't). I have also searched Sydney Morning Heralds (1955-onwards) and can't see a divorce.
regards,
Ros
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Ros I also checked for a divorce :) You are an asset to the Aussie board with your visits to NSW State Records ;D
I am assuming that Sophia was also known as Olive ST CLAIR or have I misunderstood the reference?
Cheers
Cando
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On the probate announcement SMH Dec 11 1964
In the Estate of Sophia FOULGER (also known as Olive St Clair), late of Alexandria in the state of New South Wales, widow, deceased (intestate). etc etc probate will be granted to Edna Jean BIRCH a daughter of the deceased
Edna Jean BIRCH died in 2013 at age 85 http://ryersonindex.net/search.php
sorry you already told us this
regards,
Ros
(Thanks Cando ;D )
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This is a possibility ...
SMH Oct 14 1956 What They Said
"After all, what's 20000 pounds" mammoth lottery winner Mrs Olive St Clair on why she can't afford a maid.
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The Argus 11 Oct 1956
Sydney Wednesday.....
£uck in a £ump ::) ::)
The £20,000 "jackpot" ticket number - 32,434 was not drawn, but, as today's lottery was the last in the series, the holder of the ticket nearest to the number won the £20,000.
She was Mrs. Olive St. Claire, of Susan st., Newtown, number 32,441.
Cando
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And Edna Jean BIRCH was living at Susan St Newtown at time of probate :)
Just back from records office - good probate packet with George death cert, George and Sophia's marriage cert and the birth cert for one of daughters. It also explains why Sophia used the other name.
Give me a little while to upload the photos and I will send you a link TraceyMum
cheers,
Ros
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Thank Ros it was great help :) :)
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Anyone point out for edna jean foulger marry date on both of her marry ??
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According to NSW BDM http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/bdm_fh.html she married Thomas Henry DARCY in 1946 in Redfern.
reg 6798/1946
And then in 1950 divorced http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/ResultList.aspx
And then in 1962 she remarried (as Edna Jean Darcy) in Chatwood to Maxwell Ralph BIRCH reg 13079/1962
regards,
Ros
edited to add names as were given on other thread
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This information has been posted on an earlier thread ;)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=676644.0
Cando
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More than likely this illegitimate birth caused the confusion with Sophia’s name.
Births Mar 1896
HALL Sophia Lockwood Norwood 4b/130
Marriages Dec 1897
LOCKWOOD Thomas Norwich 4b/462
HALL Alice Norwich 4b/462
1901 Census RG13/1842/49/24.
Living at 2 Fishers Lane, Norwich
LOCKWOOD Thomas Head Married 26 Boot and shoemaker Born Norfolk, Norwich
LOCKWOOD Alice Wife Married 25 Born Norfolk, Norwich
LOCKWOOD Sophia Dau 5 years Born Norfolk, Norwich
LOCKWOOD Hilda Dau 3 years Born Norfolk, Norwich
LOCKWOOD Thomas Son 1 year Born Norfolk Norwich
HALL Andrew Boarder 39 years Cotton waster Born Norfolk Norwich
Ten years later there were further children Andrew, Jack and Lewis and the parents stated they had been married 14 years and Sophia was 15 years old. Frank H was born in 1913.
Births Dec 1898
LOCKWOOD Hilda Eliza Norwich 4b/130
Births Mar 1900
LOCKWOOD Arthur Norwich 4b/115
Births Jun 1900
LOCKWOOD Thomas Norwich 4b/98
Births Sep 1901
LOCKWOOD Andre Mafeking Norwich 4b/172
Births Mar 1903
LOCKWOOD Jack Clement Norwich 4b/152
Births Dec 1904 [Lewis on the census]
LOCKWOOD Louis Norwich 4b/154
Births Dec 1913
LOCKWOOD Frank H [HILL] Norwich 4b/215
and
Deaths Sep 1948
LOCKWOOD Thomas 73 years Norwich 4b/425
Cando