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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: forthefamily on Monday 24 February 14 21:05 GMT (UK)
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Has anyone ever seen a birth registration such as this below? I found it on Family Search in the Irish Civil Registration Indexes. The event place is given as Ireland and there is no registration district or volume number.
I'm trying to locate my great grandfathers death record. He was born in Londonderry. He was a seaman. I have found him on a couple of crew lists and it gives his approximate birth year as 1861-62. I'm wondering if this might be a "death at sea" record.
Also what are my chances of getting a copy without a district and volume number.
Name: Edward Macgowan
Event Type: Death
Event Date: Oct - Dec 1904
Event Place: Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year: 1904
Registration District:
Age: 41
Birth Year (Estimated): 1863
Mother's Maiden Name:
Volume Number:
Page Number: 59
GS Film number: 101602
Digital Folder Number: 004201706
Image Number: 00474
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Might be tricky. You could send GROI in Roscommon the details you have and see if they can find it. Otherwise if the death was in Derry or one of the other 5 counties which are now in NI you might get a hit when the GRONI records go online, currently scheduled for early April.
Frank
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Hello Frank
I could give the on line records a shot. Roll on April :D
mab
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It looks like you could be right about the death at sea. There is one showing on Findmypast. the ship mentioned is the buffalo. I don't have a subscription to see the full record, just had a few credits to see the transcript.
:)
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Hello Halfpenny
Rats...I just let my sub expire in December. I thought I read that they had a separate heading for deaths at sea but I don't see it ::) Did I imagine that?
mab
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No other information on the image, just his name and that he died in the 10th month.
Yes they do have a death at sea heading, it is in the drop down menu.
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Thanks Halfpenny:)
I found it. I'm sure it's the record that is referenced. Marine death 22 Oct 1904 - Edward MacGowan. Right quarter and spelling.
mab
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Thanks Groom,
I decided to take a one month sub and looked at the image attached. I have a feeling that this may be my Edward McGowan. It's the closest I've come so far. The McGowans have been a real brick wall for me.
I wonder if a marine death by accident would merit some sort of inquiry?
mab
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I wonder if a marine death by accident would merit some sort of inquiry?
Death at sea was a common occurrence and I doubt this incident would have warrented a Board of Trade enquiry.
Edward Macgowen, Able Seaman, age 41 died on the 22/October/1904 on board the vessel BUFFALO official number 118338. Cause of Death "Falling into hold" he was born and lived in Londonderry.
The vessels logbook would have recorded the event.
The crew agreement and possibly the logbook of BUFFALO for 1904 is lodged in
Cumbria Record Office and Local Studies Library, Whitehaven
The crew agreement may give some personal details such as his next of Kin, address etc. It depends on who wrote it.
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Good to know Seaweed
I live in Canada so not an option for me :)
mab
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Hi.
Not sure whereabouts in Canada you are but alot of British maritime Records are held in Canada.
Details:
Maritime History Archive
Memorial University of Newfoundland
St. John's, NL
A1C 5S7
E-mail: mha@mun.ca
Phone: 709-864-8428
Fax: 709-864-3123
They hold:
Official_No: 118338
1906: G2
1908: G2
1914: G2
1916: G2
1917: G2
1918: G2
http://www.mun.ca/mha/index.php
:)
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Hi Halfpenny
I live in Toronto. I wouldn't mind taking a visit to Newfoundland. I've never been there. It's a bit far though...about 3,084 kilometers according to Google maps :-\
It makes sense that they'd have the Maritime Archives there.
mab
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Good to know Seaweed
I live in Canada so not an option for me :)
mab
Try emailing here whitehaven.record.officeATcumbriacc.gov.uk.
If you don't ask you don't get.
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Already have ;D
mab
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Hi,
Have you tried calling Toronto Family History Centre, 24 Ferrand Drive, at Don Mills and Eglinton, 416-422-5480, ext 111? If they don't have them they might be able to order a copy for you. I have found some useful things there.
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Hello:)
I have a copy of the original registration of the marine accident now. I got it off FindMyPast.
I also sent an email to Whitehaven to see if they will do some research for me re crew lists and how much it will cost. It would be really helpful if the Buffalo 1904 crew list records Edward MacGowan's next of kin to verify if it's the right person. I'm still awaiting a response from them.
I wasn't aware that the FHC in Toronto can get/hold copies of crew lists. I can send an email to inquire though :)
I have found other crew lists for my grand father on FindMyPast for 1891 but not past that date.
I've also been lucky in the past finding deaths at sea info on FindMyPast For some reason though I didn't find the one for Edward MacGowan so it was very lucky that Halfpenny found it for me.
mab
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Just to let you all know that I received a wonderful response from the Whitehaven office. They have the crew list and the log for the pertinent time frame. Unfortunately it doesn't give a next of kin. The log book gives more details about the accident and lists Edwards' personal belongings.
They also said that there was a report in the Whitehaven newspaper about the incident. The report mentions that his wife was on the quayside at Londonderry when his body was delivered ashore and medical attention called. However it doesn't name her.
Ah well it was worth a try:) I can get copies which I plan to do.
mab