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Title: How to identify a Regimental Tie
Post by: msv on Wednesday 19 February 14 15:16 GMT (UK)

I have a sketch portrait painted in 1968 of a gentleman wearing what I presume is a Regimental tie.

Any ideas on how to determine
A). If it is a Regimental (as opposed a 'Club' tie)
B). the best museum/gallery etc to send a pic to, to see if it is one of thiers.

Any help much appreciated


Mark

Title: Re: How to identify a Regimental Tie
Post by: KGarrad on Wednesday 19 February 14 16:32 GMT (UK)

Assuming it's in colour, then have a look through here:
http://www.regimentalshop.com/shop/products/106-Regimental-Ties-British-Army-Regimental-Ties/

Title: Re: How to identify a Regimental Tie
Post by: msv on Wednesday 19 February 14 16:46 GMT (UK)

Thanks for the  link.
It has narrowed it down to these 3

Adjutant General's Corps Regimental Tie
Household Division
Royal Fusiliers (City of London)

Now to see if I can identify the man  :-)


Mark

Title: Re: How to identify a Regimental Tie
Post by: KGarrad on Wednesday 19 February 14 17:04 GMT (UK)

The Adjutant General's Corps (AGC) is one of the largest Corps in the British Army and provides support in the form of Combat Human Resources Specialists, Military Police, Military Provost Staff, Military Provost Guard Service, Educational and Training Services and Army Legal Services.
It's like the Admin sections!

The Household Division consists of 7 Regiments:
Life Guards and Blues & Royals - which make up the Household Cavalry
Grenadier Guards, Coldstream Guards, Scots Guards, Irish Guards and Welsh Guards - which make up the Foot Guards.

The Royal Fusiliers (City of London Regiment) was an infantry regiment of the British Army until 1968 when it was amalgamated with other regiments to form the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers.


Bearing in mind the date, I reckon it's The Royal Fusiliers!
If he had been in the Household Division, surely he would have worn his Regimental Tie?

Title: Re: How to identify a Regimental Tie
Post by: bleckie on Thursday 20 February 14 07:37 GMT (UK)

Hi

Also the AGC wasn't formed until the reforms of the 90s

Yours Aye
BruceL

Title: Re: How to identify a Regimental Tie
Post by: KGarrad on Thursday 20 February 14 07:58 GMT (UK)

Thanks, BruceL!

I tried for ages yesterday trying to find a formation date of the AGC!!
Failed! :-[ ;D

Title: Re: How to identify a Regimental Tie
Post by: John915 on Thursday 20 February 14 21:52 GMT (UK)

Good evening,

Many regimental ties reflect the pattern and colours of the regiments stable belt. You could try this one as well; http://www.stablebelts.co.uk/

It's by no means a complete list but could help.

John915

Title: Re: How to identify a Regimental Tie
Post by: msv on Thursday 10 April 14 08:56 BST (UK)

A last attempt to try and identify the man in the portrait.


It was painted by ACDH [Aubrey Claud Davidson-Houston] who seems to have specialised mainly in Military and Society portraits.


I have already tried several branches of the Military, unfortunately no-one has been able to identify him as yet. May be someone out there will recognize him ?


Mark

Title: Re: How to identify a Regimental Tie
Post by: John915 on Thursday 10 April 14 10:26 BST (UK)

Good morning,

This could depend on the accuracy of the artists colours used for the tie. I would say however that it is the Household Division.

Another possibility is the 4th/7th Dragoon Guards

Incidentally, the Household Division all wear the same tie as far as I recall and not individual regt'l ties.

John915

Title: Re: How to identify a Regimental Tie
Post by: msv on Thursday 10 April 14 10:38 BST (UK)

John915

I did send a copy of the pic to the archivist at the Household Division, but they couldn't help me  :-(

I know ACDH painted a lot of 'Prisoners of War' and wondered if I could identify him that way ?


Still trying to think of new ways


Mark