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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: Ringrose on Monday 17 February 14 10:16 GMT (UK)
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Recently I asked the owner of a tree on Ancestry how they were related to my gggrandfather..This is the reply....Legacy family tree tells me that my wife Susan relationship to William....William is Susan's 3rd cousin 3 times removed wifes aunts husbands great grand nephews wife's grandauntshusbands father.
Are you still with me......I've never worked it out nor did I get in touch with more information.Looking at this tree there were hundreds of names and I bet they were not fully researched with evidence.
Ringrose
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Love it!
What a brilliant explanation! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
And no - I am not with you so far . . . . ??? ??? ::)
Wiggy :D
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What a convoluted relationship :o
I'm not with you so far either ??? ::) ::)
Joy
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So, if that is William's relation to Susan, what is the relationship between you and Susan ??? ??? ???
Excellent answer and I'm not sure anyone could follow it.
Rishile
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So, if that is William's relation to Susan, what is the relationship between you and Susan ??? ??? ???
Excellent answer and I'm not sure anyone could follow it.
Rishile
What a good question ;D
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You must be relieved the tree owner is able to show he is NOT a relative. Can you just imagine the complicated ways he would need to explain how your great grandchildren (whenever they come along) would be related to his great grandchildren (whenever this generation comes along of course). If he started explaining at breakfast would he have almost finished by supper?
Cheers JM
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Hilarious! You must be so glad you asked lol. I'm not with you so far either.
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Love the explanation just wish I could understand it. ???
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Ringrose posted:
Legacy family tree tells me that my wife Susan relationship to William....William is Susan's 3rd cousin 3 times removed wifes aunts husbands great grand nephews wife's grandauntshusbands father.
Pheeeeeew....... that gives me a headache.
That's not a 'GOOD' advertisement for a family tree program.
I think I shall steer well clear of using this to record my family history if, it can not calculate
a proper relationship list.
I have read this several times and still can not understand what is originally said.
It's way over my head. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Jim
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....Legacy family tree tells me that my wife Susan relationship to William....William is Susan's 3rd cousin 3 times removed wifes aunts husbands great grand nephews wife's grandauntshusbands father.
Are you still with me.......
Ringrose
;D ;D ;D
Wow!! you could start a new "One Liner" with that.
Frank.
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Yes, it makes me mad, .....I had one chap who went from only a few people to a few thousand in less than a week.....what is the point??? I never get in touch with people who have thousands of people on their tree....it isn't possibile. On the other hand I have come across some great people who are genuine relatives.
Susan
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I don't agree with that Susan. I have thousands on my tree, but I did start researching 30 years ago. Retired 10 years ago I have done my husbands line, brother in laws, sister in laws etc. etc.
I hope not everyone dismisses my tree because of that reason.
Carol
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I agree with Carol ;D
I have just short of 3000 people on my tree, which combines mum's and dad's trees.
But I do have 2 lines back to the mid 1500's!
I like to have bride's parents names, when they marry into the main family line.
Sometimes essential due to the number of cousins marrying into the same lines! ::)
Also I have one line, Vanstones, that I simply had to find as many as possible due to the utter confusion of other trees! It didn't help that, on the 1851 census, 44% of Vanstone/Vanston people shared just 7 forenames!!
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I don't agree with that Susan. I have thousands on my tree, but I did start researching 30 years ago. Retired 10 years ago I have done my husbands line, brother in laws, sister in laws etc. etc.
I hope not everyone dismisses my tree because of that reason.
Carol
I'm just shy of 1,000 at the moment, and I can show good cites for every connection.
I could easily "name gather" a coupla' thousand more, I haven't chased down all the connections (and never will).
BugBear
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I use Legacy and find it very good (lots of other Rootschatters use it too), but I've never come up with a relationship like that before, even when I've tried with what I think are totally unconnected ancestors. It usually advises me that there is no relationship. If I try to connect an ancestor of my husband's to me, it just advises that the person is the (whatever relationship) of my husband. I think the person who gave that long and incomprehensible explanation of a relationship has made it up.
Lizzie
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Whether or not the person you contacted is a relative,it would have been far easier for them to use Ancestry's own description of relationships.He could then have explained any relationship he has with both Susan and William!
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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I suspect this might be an error of some sort. (you would hope so anyway ::))
Legacy family tree tells me that my wife Susan relationship to William....William is Susan's 3rd cousin 3 times removed wifes aunts husbands great grand nephews wife's grandauntshusbands father.
I think there should be a full stop after "removed", and the rest of it is just gobbledegook mistakenly included .... somehow - the person obviously didn't read what they'd written before they pressed [send].
I think you should contact them again to double check. :)
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No way am I going to contact them....Can they honestly think I would take them seriously...bet they can't even work out what they have written to me.Ive never used Legacy so can't comment on it .
Anyway thought it would give a laugh to some of you.
Ringrose
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Lizziew posted:
I think the person who gave that long and incomprehensible explanation of a relationship has made it up.
Couldn't possibly comment like the family tree they made up....
William is Susan's 3rd cousin 3 times removed
which equates to?
Williams' wifes, aunts, husbands great grand nephews wife's, grandaunts, husbands father.
Still possibly no connection but who knows?
Jim
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I have also contacted a lady, as she has my Uncle on her tree. When I asked her, please, for her connection I got
" He is the 2nd cousin 3x removed of wife of brother in law of 2nd great grand aunt of me"
??? ??? ???
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Im quite a history geek but wow, you would need a lot of pens and a lot of paper to figure that one out! Classic!
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I have also contacted a lady, as she has my Uncle on her tree. When I asked her, please, for her connection I got
" He is the 2nd cousin 3x removed of wife of brother in law of 2nd great grand aunt of me"
??? ??? ???
I'd feel like writing back and saying "Who cares!" ;D That's really drawing the long bow isn't it (think that's the expression I want! ;D)
As you say ringrose - very good for a laugh. ;)
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Hi
I'd like to see that on a family tree. :o
How many branches, twigs, leaves would you need to show the 'connection'?
Is that relationship even possible? ???
Cheers
Coco
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Recently I asked the owner of a tree on Ancestry how they were related to my gggrandfather..This is the reply.......... my wife Susan relationship to William....William is Susan's 3rd cousin 3 times removed wifes aunts husbands great grand nephews wife's grandauntshusbands father.
The tree owner is married. His wife is Susan. Susan is the one who is claimed by the tree owner to be related to Ringrose’s great great grandfather. The relationship is claimed to be : 3rd cousin, 3 times removed.
:) Susan has an aunt.
:) Aunt is married. The ‘connection’ is via that Aunt’s husband, who is an INLAW, ie not a relative, so obviously William is NOT a relative of Susan.
:) Anyways, as to that Aunt’s husband, well, he has a great grand nephew.
That chap (the great grand nephew of the husband of Susan’s aunt) is married. This next ‘connection’ is also via an INLAW connection, so again, William is NOT a relative of Susan.
:) Anyways That great grand nephew’s wife has a grand aunt, who is married. This next ‘connection is also via an IN LAW connection. So, again, William is NOT a relative of Susan
Anyways, The grand aunt’s husband has a father. That father is William. Ringrose asked how that William was related to the tree owner. (As a chap by that name is Ringrose’s great great grandfather).
Surely, ;D ;D ;D The tree owner has successfully demonstrated that their William has a daughter IN LAW who was NOT related to Susan, who is the wife of the tree owner.
I doubt any software actually reads William is related to Susan because (tree owner's) " wife's aunt's husband's great grand nephew's wife's grandaunt's husband's father" is William
Cheers, JM
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Huge thanks, JM; we are all in your debt for letting us sleep soundly once more.
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;D ;D ;D
Sleep .... its high noon in New South Wales. ::)
Cheers, JM
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I would like to know how they managed to get that information on Legacy. I have used it for some time, and have not found the report to manage that convulated relationship ::) ::)
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I would just say 'Distant Cousin'. That would apply to almost everyone if you have ancestry from the British Isles. Go back a thousand years and most people in quite a large region would be related. There aren't that many different DNA haplogroups in Britain and in many places including all of England there is as much as 90% R1b1a2 - same as the 18th dynasty Pharaohs. Check the dna of 2nd and 3rd cousins and you'll probably find just about every group.
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Hi
On Legacy7 select tools then relationship calculator Just play around with the settings etc and you get some wierd relationships, and that is on a researched tree.
Andy
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Thank you for that Andy.
I have not had reason to look at that area before, but will have some fun with it now.
AC
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Yep,this song comes to mind ;D ;D ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYlJH81dSiw&feature=kp
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A friend and I finally solved a mystery yesterday. Her grand aunt's first husband was my grand uncle, so tongue in cheek we think we were second cousins by marriage for a short while before we were born. ;D
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but of course. I have a similar story between my Belgian wife and (English) I. And seeing how our ancestors went round Europe and the world, I expect we were closely related long before we married.
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There was a story on Daily Mail's website yesterday, but it's no longer available (odd because other stories from yesterday are still available) anyway the heading was "I'm Spartacus's cousin and I'm also related to Obama, Brad Pitt, and King Louis the Fat. ???
There was a family tree shown and the man had, apparently, been researching his family for over 30 years, but when I read the article, it appears that he chose a celeb or historical figure and then researched how he was related to them. That's one way of researching your family history I suppose, but not the way I do it. ::)
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Hello everyone
What a convoluted story. So many people add names to their tree without proper research. It is difficult sometimes to distinguish between fact and fiction. The only sure way is to do your own research.
A few years ago, I came across a researcher who was determined to prove a link to Royalty and had added all sorts of red herrings to his tree, none of which could be proved.
So to all those real researches, I say carry on the good work.
I have had so much help from genuine folk and occasionally a few not so genuine.
Good luck everyone
Isabel