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I am hoping that someone might be able to inform me of WHAT CRIME WAS COMMITTED by Thomas Throssell, born abt. 1771 in Titchmarsh, Northamptonshire. Thomas was convicted at Northampton Assizes for 7 years. Departure date on the Caledonia July 5, 1820. Arrival date March 5, 1821 at Van Diemen's Land. He travelled with 149 other convicts. Also what does the term "assizes' mean?
Thank you in advance.
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Criminal Court ?
Regards Carolanne
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Hi.
Assizes meant one of the periodic court sessions formerly held in each of the
counties of England and Wales for the trial of civil or criminal cases.
Thomas was tried at the Lent Assizes for Larceny
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Larceny
Sandy
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Hi Punch
Just being nosey. Did you ever find out if Thomas stayed in Tasmania or
did he ever get back to England?
regards Sandymc ???
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Northampton Mercury
Sat, 26 Feb 1820
At our Assizes, which commenced today, the following prisoners are to take their trials.....
Thomas Thrussell for stealing a quantity of flour and three sacks at Ringstead, the property of John Sharman
Sat, 4 Mar 1820
At our Assizes which ended Thursday last, the prisoners who took their trials, were sentenced as follows - William Palmer, Thomas Thrussell, Thos Adams, John Hurst, John Cuthbert and Joseph Harris for felony;
(All except Josep Harris were on the Caledonia)
FindMyPast's "Hulk Registers" has Thomas Throssell being received on the Hulk Bellerephon from Northampton on 6 May 1820 - age 50, offence felony, sentenced 7 years. Discharged 25 Jun 1820 pr Caledonia New South Wales
The Hobart Town Courier, Feb 13 1828, has Thomas Thrussell being granted his Certificate, his period of transportation having expired
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Thank you for the great information. I am assuming that Thomas never got back to England as his Certificate of Freedom had expired.
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Hi,
I'm a descendant of Thomas Throssell and Mary Fryer of Titchmarsh. Are you also?
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Hi, I'm new at this posting activity. I joined to reply to you. Instead, I created a new post. I'm descended from one of the daughters of Thomas Throssell and Mary Fryer of Titchmarsh. Are you a fellow descendant also? They had several children baptized at Titchmarsh. However, some pages of the register are damaged. Their daughter, Charlotte, doesn't appear. She existed and was my 3rd great grandmother. Her husband, John Sharp, is a witness at the Oundle wedding of one of her younger sisters. She and John Sharpe married in Titchmarsh and one of her Fryer uncles was witness.
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See
Threads merged , topic moved to Northamptonshire board.
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Interesting fellow. The family trade was shoemaking, but the industry went into deep depression as the wars came to an end. He was born in Broughton, most of the family deriving from Molesworth, Bythorn and Titchmarsh. Mary Fryer/Friar was from Titchmarsh, and eventually was buried there in 1847.
The John Sharman mentioned above was the principle witness, but unfortunately died 22 days before the hearing. He was convicted of theft and the Assize record notes the sentence of death. This was 'commuted' to a seven year transportation, which might seem a little harsh on a fifty year old man. He (with four other 'felons' from the assize) were conducted to the prison hulk Bellerophon, a battleship formerly famous as the ship that conveyed Napoleon from France after Waterloo.
His prison records show he occasionally missed Church muster, and once was found drunk and disorderly. In all a model prisoner. He got his ticket in 1828, but clearly remained.
1838: "Thomas Throssell - ship Caledonia, admitted to New Norfolk Colonial Hospital in February with debilitas" He was then about 68, and has been in VDL about 17 years.
He was (extraordinarily) still there when the Hospital was closed to inmates in 1855. He was 84 by then, and after a government level correspondence about what should happen to the prisoners he (and others) were ordered onto a ship for transport. The prisoners were, it seems kept on deck due to overcrowding despite the season. I can find no trace of him thereafter.
His son Michael died in Perth the very same year, where he was then a Police Inspector (having arrived on the Scindian Prison Guard a few years earlier). Michael's son George, Thomas's own grandson, became the Premier of Western Australia in 1901. His great grandson was Hugo Throssell (VC) and his great great grandson was Ric Throssell (the Spy was wasn't).
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Thomas Throssell is mentioned here as being one of a group of New Norfolk Hospital inmates objecting in 1848 to being moved to Impression Bay. His age is given as 88y, which is out by 10 years from other records (about 50y old in 1820)
https://eprints.utas.edu.au/8306/3/02_ch2_Piper_Thesis.pdf
The link above doesn't say if he was sent there or not, but a number of inmates were sent there by steamer in very poor weather, described here
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article226534497
I couldn't find a death for him in the Impression Bay region (Tasman), but there is a Hobart death of an 89y old pauper in December 1848 indexed as 'Thomas Throske' that could also be read as 'Thomas Throstle'.
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-2p218j2k
M
ADD - a couple of other online records have the spelling as 'Throstle'. There's also a 'Register of Death, Transfer or Discharge of Patients' that could be interesting but is offline but the archives are closed for a while.
browse here - https://libraries.tas.gov.au/family-history/Pages/Royal-Derwent.aspx
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Matthew double and triple thanks!
I had read the account some years ago but lost it when a computer failed. So extremely grateful for your recovering it and adding the newspaper account as well. Absolutely excellent.
Then you trumped that. The certificate says Throstle, the common spelling of the 'dialect' term for a songthrush replicated in Throstle's Nest farms across the north and midlands. I had never seen the certificate before an am immensely grateful. The cause of this pauper's death gave me some trouble: "phtisis": an archaic medical term for Tubercolosis it seems.
The songthrush/throstle/mavis is, of course legendary for its longevity (qv Tolkien: "long lived and magical race". Thomas certainly had lived to his name!
Thomas Hardy wrote:
"An aged thrush, frail, gaunt, and small
In blast-beruffled plume,
Had chosen thus to fling his soul
Upon the growing gloom."
Apposite.
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Hi Matt,
Thanks for posting what you had found. I also thought that the most likely baptism for Thomas Throssell was in Broughton, Northants. Thomas was baptised at Broughton, Northants 4 Feb, 1770, the son of Daniel Throssell and Martha. Thomas would have been their first child as his parents married in October of 1769. Here is their marriage entry. Daniel Throssell [Trofele], of the Parish of Sawtree, Hants., and Martha Mawby of Broughton, were married by banns at Broughton 16 Oct, 1769. Both signed their names. Their witnesses were Thomas Mowbey and John Noall. Interesting is the mention of Sawtry. His grand daughter, Charlotte Throssell, who married John Sharp in Titchmarch was the daughter of Thomas and Mary Fryer. Charlotte and her family settled in Barnwell St. Andrews. She said she was born in Sawtry in the 1851 census records.
Regarding our convict forebear, yes I had also found that he was a cordwainer. I had only found his sentence of 7 years, not that he had earlier been condemned to death. The predations of the Napoleonic Wars, the blockades and economic issues were terrible, as were the fact that so many men were physically torn apart in the lengthy conflict and that desperate bands of men created unsafe countrysides. Add to that was the year of endless winter in, I think, 1816, caused by an intense volcanic eruption thousands of miles away resulting in starvation, food riots, etc in UK. Never mind that life was considered so cheap, that harsh justice eradicated some of the resulting social problem by capital punishment and transportation. And this “justice” was meted out at the behest of the rich cats and gentry families who wielded all the power. An unholy mess, the lot of it. Regarding his great age, that is quite remarkable in his day and age when so many people didn’t attain 70. I hadn’t found another record for Thomas after his hospital entry and I had assumed he had died there.
Poor Mary Fryer. I couldn’t find another Throssell household entry in the 1841 census in Titchmarsh. I was surprised to find her still there. So many elderly would have moved in with adult children and she certainly had children living in parishes not far away.
I had thought that Thomas’ father, Daniel, was baptised at Aldwinckle, St. Peters, Northants 27 Jun, 1741, the son of Daniel Throssell and Mary. This same couple had an earlier son, also named Daniel, baptised there 1 Feb, 1740, as well as a daughter, Alice baptised 04 May, 1739. This Daniel, father of Thomas died at the age of 74 [born c 1740], abode of Aldwinkle, and buried there on 24 June, 1814. This family likely had other children as there were Throssells into the 19th century, descended from a Daniel Throssell born c 1804. But obviously, your research took you in a different direction. Mike, you’ve mentioned both Molesworth, Bythorn. What baptism do you have for Daniel? In what parish? And who were the parents you found? It would be interesting to compare.
Matt, please tell me which of the Throssell sons do you descend from?
looking forward to hearing back from you,
Jenny in Canada
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Hi Matt once again (remainder of my message)
More about Martha:
Martha Mawby was baptised at Broughton, a child of William Mawby and Elizabeth on 04 March, 1746-7. They also had another daughter, Joan Mawby, baptised at Broughton, a child of William Mawby and Elizabeth on 29 Jan 1748-9. They likely had other children as well, perhaps in another parish. The marriage of William Mawby and Elizabeth East occurred 24 June, 1738 at Northampton St. Giles [Wm Mawby of Broughton & Elizabeth East of Orton married by licence]
The Broughton and Titchmarsh connections are doubly interesting for me. Charlotte’s husband, John Sharp, was born in Great Addington. He was baptised at Great Addington, All Saints on 01 Sep 1794, a child of Joseph and Hannah. (Joseph Sharp & Hannah Green married at Titchmarsh 14 Nov 1785. Banns were posted at Great Addington between Joseph Sharp of Parish of Great Addington & Hannah Green of Parish of Titchmarsh, married on 13 Nov 1785. The marriage at Titchmarsh, St. Mary the Virgin between Joseph Sharpe of Great Addington & Hannah Green of Titchmarsh. Witnesses: William Green & Wm. Nichols, the clerk.) So it was no surprise that given an existing family relationship in Titchmarsh, that Joseph went there and married a Titchmarsh girl. Another Sharp from Addington had also found a bride there.
The Broughton connection with the Sharp family is that the grandfather of the husband of Charlotte Throssell was baptised in Broughton 06 Dec 1730. the son of Thomas Sharpe and Elizabeth his wife. Anyway, Thomas & Elizabeth would be contemporaries with William Mawby. I do wonder if there might have been some connection joining the Mawbys to the Sharps. I’m not a great fan of coincidence as explaining why families, all related to me, with roots in Broughton also ended up in Titchmarch via some decades in Great Addington.
As I mentioned in my last post, Charlotte’s baptismal record has been lost in time. Not unusual considering the age of these historic documents. So proof is circumstantial. Her husband, John Sharp was a witness to the marriage of her sister Sophia when they all lived for a few years in Oundle. This record is in the Oundle parish register. I interpreted the handwriting of the entry mistakenly as Blackett. “p9 #26. 1826, Oct 26. Thomas Blackett [Plackett], bachelor of Stoke Doyle and Sophia Theosell [sister of Charlotte Throsell of Titchmarsh, 3rd gr grandmother, wife of John Sharp], spinster of Oundle, married by licence in Stoke Doyle. Wits: John Sharp & Mary Langham. [I don’t know who Mary Langham was.]
Marriages in Titchmarsh 1813 to 1837
P1 #3, 28 Feb, 1814, John Sharp of parish of Warmington and Charlotte Thropel [Throsell] of this parish, banns with consent of parents. Wits the clerk, Wm Curwain, and Ths Fryer
Jenny in Canada
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Matt, please tell me which of the Throssell sons do you descend from?
looking forward to hearing back from you,
Jenny in Canada
Hi Jenny - I'm not a descendant, but I do live in Tasmania and enjoy chasing up convicts :)
M
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Hi Matt, I would think you have lots of scope for research. Best of luck with your future research! Jenny
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Hi Matt,
Not sure if you got my previous message as I posted it wrong. So here it is again. "Hi Matt, I would think you have lots of scope for research. Best of luck with your future research!" It sounds like you have done a lot of research. What did you find as to the origins of the Thomas Throssell family?
Many thanks,
Jenny
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Martha Mawby/Mawbey
Thomas's mum had no other children
SUMMARY OF A SHORT LIFE
Baptised into Anglican faith 15th March 1747, in Broughton home of her father William and mother Elizabeth
Married Daniel Throssell, 16th October 1769 in Broughton. His parish is however given as Sawtree (Sawtry Hunts)
1770 she has given birth to her first child, Thomas (the Felon, as it turns out). Thomas is to live an unusually long hard life. Unlike poor Martha whose time is short. Thomas is baptised as Broughton on February 4th 1770, rather less than 9 months subsequent to their wedding.
On December the 8th she is interred at St Andrews Sawtry (see image). The Church no longer stands, but a photograph of it from the late C19th century exists. The 'burying ground' remains. In 1806 Daniel's own name appears in the list of burials.
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Thanks very much. Poor Martha. The image didn't come through. At least we know that it is possible that Charlotte was born near Sawtry, even though her baptismal record seems to have been lost as he grandfather died in Sawtry in 1806.
Jenny
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Hi Matt, or who ever may also have this information.
Matt, a few months ago, you had mentioned you had found "Throssell" surname in Sawtry and Bythorn Huntingdonshire. If you would post your findings, it would be much appreciated. They are not on ancestry.com library edition, I couldn't find them on familysearch, and their not on freereg.og. I don't have access to another site.
Many thanks,
Spinning Jenny
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Interesting fellow. The family trade was shoemaking, but the industry went into deep depression as the wars came to an end. He was born in Broughton, most of the family deriving from Molesworth, Bythorn and Titchmarsh. Mary Fryer/Friar was from Titchmarsh, and eventually was buried there in 1847.
The John Sharman mentioned above was the principle witness, but unfortunately died 22 days before the hearing. He was convicted of theft and the Assize record notes the sentence of death. This was 'commuted' to a seven year transportation, which might seem a little harsh on a fifty year old man. He (with four other 'felons' from the assize) were conducted to the prison hulk Bellerophon, a battleship formerly famous as the ship that conveyed Napoleon from France after Waterloo.
His prison records show he occasionally missed Church muster, and once was found drunk and disorderly. In all a model prisoner. He got his ticket in 1828, but clearly remained.
1838: "Thomas Throssell - ship Caledonia, admitted to New Norfolk Colonial Hospital in February with debilitas" He was then about 68, and has been in VDL about 17 years.
He was (extraordinarily) still there when the Hospital was closed to inmates in 1855. He was 84 by then, and after a government level correspondence about what should happen to the prisoners he (and others) were ordered onto a ship for transport. The prisoners were, it seems kept on deck due to overcrowding despite the season. I can find no trace of him thereafter.
His son Michael died in Perth the very same year, where he was then a Police Inspector (having arrived on the Scindian Prison Guard a few years earlier). Michael's son George, Thomas's own grandson, became the Premier of Western Australia in 1901. His great grandson was Hugo Throssell (VC) and his great great grandson was Ric Throssell (the Spy was wasn't).
Hi Matt, or who ever may also have this information
I think you're after Mike, not Matt? maybe send him a PM :)
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Hello Mike Throssell,
I wonder if you would share the info you found on Throssell surname in Sawtry, Bythorn, Huntingdonshire. I have tried using ancestry.com, family search & freebmd unsuccessfully. You must use a different site?
Thank you,
SpinningJenny
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Dear Spinning Jenny
I'm so sorry not to have replied to this at the time. I'm afraid it just got missed.
If you still want this information do please let me know. My brother has, I think published a reasonable account of our researches on Ancestry and I can enquire if he is OK to share that.
Mike
PS: the answer as regards sites, all of which have been used, may lie in the extraordinary range of spellings the name seems to attract: from Throttle to Therassell to Throffell. I've collected 17, but feel sure there are yet more.
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Hi Mike, I would appreciate that. I haven't found anything about Sawtry, Hunts, etc, but it might give me the baptism of my 3rd great Charlotte Throssell, or other sibs of hers. And yes, many ways of spelling the surname. Things can easily be lost.
Spinning Jenny
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To clarify, this is regarding Charlotte b 1795 at Newton,
"Charlotte Throssell was born in 1795, her father, Thomas, was 25, and her mother, Mary (nee Fryer), was 25. She married (shepherd) John Sharp and they had eight children together. She also had one son from another relationship. She died in 1853 in Oundle, Northamptonshire, at the age of 58, and was buried in Barnwell, Northamptonshire.Present at her wedding was another sister Sofia."
RSVP
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Hi Mike,
Thanks for this. Newton is close by so I'll have a look in the morning. Just 2 minor changes. I don't think Charlotte married again after John (or before.). I'm sending you some Throssell marriages from Titchmarsh, including Charlotte's marriage. Her sister doesn't appear to have witnessed, but an uncle Thomas Fryer did.
Marriages in Titchmarsh 1813 to 1837
P1 #3, 28 Feb, 1814, John Sharp of parish of Warmington and Charlotte Thropel [Throsell] of this parish, banns with consent of parents. Witnesses the clerk, Wm Curwain and Ths Fryer
P4 #2, 12 Oct, 1815 William Brickwood [Briekwood], Thrapston and Elizabeth Throfsel [Throsell], banns, wits Ths Fryer, Wm Curwain
P9 #27, 18 May, 1819, William Throfsell of this par, bachelor and Elizabeth Hinch, spinster, banns, consent of parents
P18 #52, 08 Nov, 1825, Thomas Johnson, this parish and Mary Thossel, this parish, banns, parents consent, wit: Wm Hill
P20 #58, 23 Nov, 1826, Wm. Hill of Brampton, Hunts and Ursula Throfsel, this par, banns, consent of parents, wit: Wm Brickwood
P33 #98, 05 Jan, 1832, William Knight of Thrapston and Maryanne Threpel, banns
P36, #108, 08 July, 1833, Thomas Britton / Button/ Batton ? Of Fotheringhay and Lucy Thropel /Throfsel of this par, banns, consent of parents, wit: Wm Ford
Many thanks!
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I am a descendant of Charlotte Throssel and John Sharp through their son, came to Australia.
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I'm delighted to have discovered this thread. I am also a descendant of Charlotte Throssell and John Sharp, through their son William (baptised at St Rumbolds, Stoke Doyle 30 July 1820) who was transported to Australia on the Eden in 1840 (the last convict ship to NSW). I believe that he escaped from the Government Printing Office, Sydney 27 October 1841, and was not recaptured. He resurfaced 20 years later in Windsor, where he married Bridget Esther Moran (daughter of convicts James Moran and Catherine Howe). I would be interested to chat to anyone who has information about William, or indeed to discover more about the Throssell or Sharp family.
Reaanne - are you descended from William or Charles?