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Can anyone help with a Swedish seaman's database "arkion"?
My great grandfather was a seaman who jumped ship here in Australia. His name was Erik Magnus Lundquist/Lundqvist, and he was born 13 Jan 1857 in Härnösand, Västernorrland, Sweden.
Any information would be gratefully received.
Thanks in advance,
Darren
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Hi Darren,
Arkion is a cd...
I have found a number of persons with those names. Can you tell me when he arrived in Australia.
Ian
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Hi Darren,
I did a bit of research myself. I can say though that his brother Jonas Teodor jumped ship in Liverpool in 1874. Then there is a Jonas T Lundkvist in the 1910 New Jersey census arriving there in 1876. He is married there.
Ian
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Just found a couple of trees with Eric and Jonas in them and saw a Canadian Boarder Crossing record for an Erick Lundqvist. Maybe it is him.
Anyway, I have though, found him and Jonas in the 1880 census and the 1890 to 1900 Records of Non Existing Persons in Härnösand. They were still sailors then. The record I found of Jonas jumping ship in Liverpool could still be him even though he, they, were mentioned in ths book.
"Records of Non Existing Persons" means that they never left the parish "properly". They just left. The date written by the priest was 5 May 1896.
Perhaps you know all this already.
Ian
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Hi Ian,
Thanks for your quick reply. I haven't got the date at hand, but Erik would have jumped ship in the 1870's in Adelaide. I have a listing for him from a local database of ships' deserters, so I don't think the one in North America is mine. Yes, I have seen the Härnösand records, thank you. Not leaving properly, does that mean they were expected back as sailors?
That's great work finding Jonas. Another avenue for me to pursue. Do you have any more detail on Jonas jumping ship? And is there anything for a Karl Albert Lundquist, another brother who was listed as a seaman in the household examinations?
Thanking you,
Darren
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As I don't have an ancestry subscription at the moment, I purchased some pay-as-you-go credits. On the 1910 census, the Jonas Lundquist in New Jersey is listed as coming to the US in 1876, which could tie in with the one jumping ship in Liverpool in 1874. No birthplace other than "Sweden", which is frustrating.
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Hi Darren
I will look up a little more info from USA. I will get back to you with more concrete evidence.
I have found brother Oskar Wilhelm as a sailor born 1853. No mention of Karl Albert. When was Karl born as I cannot find a record with him listed.
"Records of Non Existing Persons" Book is the book the priest put the persons who did not return to the parish for whatever reason. I do know that if that person did return or the priest learnt of that person's whereabouts, then the record would be updated.
Ian
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Hi Darren
The oldest date I have of Erik leaving a ship was 9 Oct 1877 with no destination. He left the ship "legally". There is no evidence of him jumping ship....... yet!
I have a number of records of Erik and Jonas on ships. I will get them sorted for you.
Ian
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US 1900 census has Jonas in New Jersey with his wife, but it states him as coming to the US in 1879. His birth details are listed as Sep 1855, which ties in with Erik's brother. He was dead by the 1920 census, as his wife Agnes was a widow.
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Hi Darren
The oldest date I have of Erik leaving a ship was 9 Oct 1877 with no destination. He left the ship "legally". There is no evidence of him jumping ship....... yet!
I have a number of records of Erik and Jonas on ships. I will get them sorted for you.
Ian
Thanks Ian!
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Karl Albert Lundquist was born 16 Aug 1864 in Härnösand.
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Cheers!
I will look into that.
I would like to see that deserters record you have or a link maybe of Erik.
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I'll need some time to track it down. It will be in one of my old notebooks from when I used to go the various libraries and archives.
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Ok. No rush. It must late there now.
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I have gone through the sailor database and there is no record of Erik jumping ship or a mention of it. When you find that info about deserters then I might be able to work out which record it could be. I have though found 20 records of Oscar's exploits on the seas. Pretty cool really, you can now follow him all over the world on the different ships.
Ian
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Hi Ian,
I have looked through all of the notebooks I could find (I wish I had neater handwriting!), but no luck. I will call into our local library today (our time), because I think that's where I found it.
I would be very interested to see the info for both Jonas and Oskar; as far as I know, Oskar stayed in Härnösand, although I have been unable to find his death as yet.
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And re-reading your posts, Erik's last listing of 1877 is interesting, as his first daughter, my grandmother, was born in 1880 in Adelaide.
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Hi
I will see if I can find more about Oscar here in Sweden. When did Erik get married?
Ian
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Well that's a story in itself. Erik met a woman who had apparently been deserted by her husband (last child born 1878), and they had 6 daughters. Because of the prohibitive cost of divorce, Erik could not marry her. The first two daughters were registered under the first husband's surname, the next not registered at all, and the next three as "Lindquist" (what the name became out here). I have this information handed down from two of Erik's daughters. Apparently the daughters from the first marriage used to tease the Lindquist girls about being illegitimate. My grandmother used Lindquist all of her life, and she was the eldest.
To cut a long story short, as soon as the first husband died in 1915, Erik and Jane married.
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Hi
Great story.
The image here is the last record I could find of him. It is from 9 Oct 1877. He left the ship in Västervik. I would make a guess that he joined a ship here bound for Australia.
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I will look through the sailor's books in Västervik and maybe find him there.
Ian
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I have found Oscar in Härnösand and Stockholm. According to his daughter's birth record he was a captain......
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Hi Darren
If you open this page... http://www2.ssa.stockholm.se/Rotemannen2012/Search.aspx ..... and write Lundqvist born 1853 you should get two hits of Oscar Wilhelm and Oskar Wilhelm (same man). I don't know where he went later.
Ian
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Oscar also had a son and here is the family in
1890 1900 in Stockholm. Unfortunately Margareta was a widow....
Lundqvist, Margareta Olivia b. 1857 - Mother
Anna b. 1884
Nils Vilhelm b. 1894
Margareta's maiden name was Nyholm.
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Nils Vilhelm Lundqvist died 14 June 1901 in Stockholm Adolf Fredrik.
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Here is the Death of Anna Lundqvist with married name...
Korell f. Lundqvist, Anna
Tomtebogatan 23
Död 18/9 1947.
Kyrkobokförd i Matteus (Stockholms stad, Uppland).
Född 7/11 1884 i Härnösand (Västernorrlands län, Ångermanland).
Gift kvinna (8/12 1917).
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Thank you very much Ian. I am a little confused though. If Margareta was a widow in 1890, does that mean that Nils was not Oskar's son? And is kvinna a place?
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Hi
Sorry my mistake.... it should say 1900 not 1890.
Kvinna = woman.
So "gift kvinna" = married woman.
Ian
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Here is Anna's husband...
Korell, Karl Gustaf
Address: Tomtebogatan 23
Dead: 16/12 1963.
Kyrkobokförd i Matteus, Stockholms stad (Stockholms stad, Uppland).
Born: 6/12 1885 i Sundsvall (Västernorrlands län, Medelpad).
Widow (18/9 1947).
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Many thanks for all of the images, Ian. This new info adds more life to the sea-faring brothers' lives.
You haven't been able to find Oskar's death by any chance? Looking through my notes, I found a date of 11 Oct 1900, but no place or other detail. According to my scribbled note, I found it on familysearch's ancestry file, which is a collection of submitted data. Now that you found the family living in Stockholm, could he have died there too?
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I managed to find him.....
He died in Adolf Fredrik parish in Stockholm.
He died 11 Oct 1900 and was buried 17 Oct 1900. He died of Tuberculosis.
Ian
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Thank you Ian for all of your help. Apart from Karl Albert, I now know a lot about the sea-faring lives of my great grandfather and his brothers.
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Hi Darren,
Karl Albert seems to be a mystery. He seems to have disappeared. He did not die in Sweden, according to the databases I have anyway. He must have jumped ship somewhere. There is no record of him in the seaman databases either.
Ian
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It might be significant that he was listed as Albert in that one record. I will keep searching for him under both names. Erik Magnus mostly went by the name of Magnus here in South Australia.
Cheers,
Darren
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I have found Oscar in Härnösand and Stockholm. According to his daughter's birth record he was a captain......
Could this be Albert?
With his brother as captain.
The image didn't work out properly from reply 21.
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Yes I think so. That's the record I was referring to when I said about him using Albert, rather than Karl Albert. It's curious that there is only the one record. As you mentioned above, possibly he jumped ship, as you found no record of him dying in Sweden. Could he have died on that voyage?
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He could have died on that voyage but because there is no date of leaving the ship we will never know. Also his brother I think would have made sure that the death would have been recorded. Maybe he jumped ship in France then.
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Here is an Albert Lundqvist with birth of son Oscar in Massachusetts...
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11130-75677-60?cc=1536925&wc=11695107
Clutching at straws here! But the son's name Oscar could be a clue.
Ian
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Oscar also had a son and here is the family in 1890 1900 in Stockholm. Unfortunately Margareta was a widow....
Lundqvist, Margareta Olivia b. 1857 - Mother
Anna b. 1884
Nils Vilhelm b. 1894
Margareta's maiden name was Nyholm.
Just saw this bit of info...
"Margareta's maiden name was NYHOLM"...
My great Grandmother, one of Erik NYHOLM's daughters was called 'Margretta' ...then my Grandmother ( her daughter) was 'Eliza Margretta' and my sister has ' Marguerite' as a middle name.
Possibly a coincidence but may be worth seeing if there is a connection to this use of the name in my NYHOLM descendants and this lady from the LUNDQUIST family.
Cheers,
Julie
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Hi Julie
Hope your health is much better.
Do you have a tree to look at. I had to re-read all the posts again to refresh the old memory. To find a connection I need a little more info.
Ian