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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: Ryhopelad on Sunday 02 February 14 21:10 GMT (UK)
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I am researching the men from Sunderland who died as a result of their War wounds after the 31st August 1921. Prior to this date these men would have been recognised by the CWGC, but the men I am researching who suffered terrible wounds have no lasting memorial and go unrecognised.
If anyone has any details of a relative who died of their wounds after the above date I would be only too pleased to hear from you, also am more than willing to share any information I find. Have so far found over 60 men who fit the above criteria.
"These men should not be forgotten."
Thanks
Ryhopelad
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sorry new to this just noticed you are looking for shillaws me mam was a shillaw before she was married and me grandad was norman shillaw grew up in sunderland and evacuated to yorkshire durin the seond world war. im building his family tree hit a brick wall would be interesting to talk.
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I must say I had never heard of the Shillaw name before. Quite remarkable name as (I did not count them) probably +- 90% of them on FreeBMD are registered in County Durham and Northumberland.
Durham Recods Online has six pages of them
http://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/SearchResults.php?page=1
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Hello Matty
Would only be too pleased to help in your research, if you give me some details of what you have and the help you need will do all I can to resolve the problems. Also information you have may help to fill in one or two gaps I have in my own records.
Am I right in saying your grandfather was Norman Shillaw (born March Q 1930 Sunderland) who married Barbara Watt (Sept Q 1951 Don Valley).
If the above is correct we are connected a little further up the line, your Great Great Grandfather Thomas Shillaw was the elder brother of my grandmother Hannah Shillaw. My Grandfather Charles Edward Haynes came up to the North East from Derby after the First World War.
As Barry mentioned the majority of the Shillaw's were found in the Northumberland & Durham areas earning a living in the coal mining industry, then like your grandfather there were those who moved further afield mostly after the late 1930's.
Have still been unable to find where the Shillaw name originated from, can trace my line back to Sea Houses in Bamborough, Northumberland in the 1790's but that is only one family. Have come across a marriage in Glencairn, Dumfries,Scotland but have nothing else to connect it to the family. Have always wondered if the name comes from Shillinglaw which is prevalent in Scotland.
Look forward to you getting in touch
Ryhopelad
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Yea he was my grandad not got far started researching at start of this week got to like 1780 or something being doing the carney side as well
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Hi my name is Sarah Shillaw and I think you are all my family too, Im from easington in co Durham a mining town my great grandad was Thomas Shillaw and he married Sarah Elizabeth Holme I think her last name was holme anyway lol and they had four children, Christopher, Roland, Vera and Harold who was my grandad, my grandad(harry) had 5 children jennifer Thomas(my dad), Vera, john and Elizabeth and i was named after my great grandma Sarah. I also have tryd to trace my name back and as far as I can tell it started in 1790 it was a middle name that was given as a surname, I would love to hear back from you :) x
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Thomas Shillaw married Sarah E. Hume Sept. Qtr. 1922. Easington Registration District.
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Yes that's my great grandad and gramdma :) Ty im named after Sarah and my dad was named after Thomas
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Hello Sarah
Good to hear from you, have been checking my records and Shillaw family tree and see that we are indeed related. Our connection is with Thomas & Mary Ann Shillaw (nee Cole) who are my GGGrandparents. My GGrandparents are James & Elizabeth Ann Shillaw (nee Coates), James is an elder brother of your GGGrandfather Christopher Shillaw who married Jane Reed.
My side of the family moved down from Northumberland to Silksworth where my grandmother Hannah was born , she married my grandfather Charles Edward Haynes 3rd December 1921 and then moved to Ryhope. They had 5 children my dad Charles Edward was the third eldest.
The earliest connection I have found is the marriage of William Shillaw to Phillis Wake 14th February 1790 in Bamborough, Northumberland. I have found earlier Shillaw's but as yet do not have enough information to put them in the family tree.
It would be good to hear from you and perhaps we can be of help to each other.
Ryhopelad
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Hi there its lovely to hear from you and thanks for getting back to me 😊 I thought we were related when I read you posts and I would love to help you in anyway I can, there is still a lot of us Shillaws up this way, although sadly we have lost a few over the last few years including my dad Thomas and his younger sister Elizabeth, its strange how all the names keep getting handed down thorough the generations too lol 😁.... Hope to hear from you soon....take care..... PS I heard that in the late 1700's our name was a middle name that was given to a male child as a surname ( not sure how far true it is ) but was told this when I was trying to find the Shillaw coat of arms and was told this is why we didn't have one 😐.
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Hello Ryhopelad
As mentioned on p.m. here is the gentleman I was talking about - I for the moment do not know the outcome.
DURHAM LIGHT INFANTRY
Please where can I find out more ? Suz kindly found this for me and it appears to fit with Duncan Wilson who would have been ( as far as I can see) the only nephew of John Tillman ( the Architect)
Duncan being the only son of Louisa( John's baby sister) and the Rev Wilson.
There is a medal card on A******y for him
Harold Gillies Plastic Surgery Archives from WW1 transcripts
Duncan Wilson
age 32
Private
no 12410
Durham Light Infantry11 th Bat
Wounded 22/08/1917
British
Gun shot wound face left chin & neck, fractured mandible
Military Armed Forces & Conflict WW1
Did he in fact survive this, there is one death entry which would make him 93, but am not sure as a Duncan Wilson also died in 1917.
Best
John
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Hi. I just wanted to check if this discussion is still alive.
I'm a Shillaw and related to some of you through Thomas Shillaw (1829-1907) who was married to Mary Anne Cole (1832-1904). Since Thomas had so many children it looks like he is the patriarch of the family. The Shillaw name eventually spread from the mines of Durham to pits of Yorkshire where my father was born. His father was one of Thomas's grandsons.
I'm trying to build the family tree based in part on one handed to my father by a lady who was married to a Shillaw and who painstakingly researched the family name. Unfortunately I don't know the lady's name or that of her husband.
I'm also interested in any information about the Carney family. My grandmother was Charlotte Mary Carney (1902-1940), born in Sunderland, the daughter of John Carney and Catherine Noble. She was married to my grandfather, James Cole Shillaw.
You might be interested to know that there are now two Shillaws who were born and reside in Japan: my son and grandson.
Best to all.
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Hello there
Have been researching the Shillaw family name for some years now, if there is anything I can assist you with I would be only too pleased to help. As you can see from my earlier messages on this board my family line is also through Thomas & Mary Ann Shillaw (nee Cole), then to my GGrandparents James Cole & Elizabeth Ann Shillaw (nee Coates).
If you send a private message with the information you require, will see what I can do to help
Unfortunately I have no information on the Carney family.
Ryhopelad
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Ryhopelad
Many thanks for your message. Your name brings back lots of memories since my aunt ran a pub in Ryhope not far from the sea. I visited the Sunderland area 3 or 4 times when I was young and loved collecting whelks from the rocks on Roker Beach which we boiled at the home of my grandmother's relatives, John and Faith Carney.
From the message you addressed to matty_hine it would appear my great grandfather Thomas was the older brother of your grandmother, Hannah. Like most of the males in the family he started out working in one of the coalfields in the Tunstall area but eventually left there and moved to the village of Thurnscoe in Yorkshire to work in Hickleton Main colliery. His son, James Cole Shillaw, married my grandmother, Charlotte Mary Carney, in 1925. My father was born 2 years later and Norman Shillaw, who you mention in the same message to matty_hine, was my uncle.
In the same message to matty_hine you suggest that the family name is derived or related to the Shillinglaw name. I strongly agree with you. When I was at university - more than 50 years ago! - I came across a book containing English and Scottish surnames. The book suggests that the Shillinglaw name may have originated in Peeblesshire and it cites an Assizes record of a man being hung for sheep stealing in the 14th century. The name probably got reduced/misheard as successive families migrated south from the Scottish Borders into Northumberland and Durham. The name Shillilaw was also found in the same area of Scotland in the 17th century. I couldn't find any contemporary examples of the Shillilaw name.
Here's something I found that lends further support to the Shillaw name's origin.
Of local origin from the old lands of Shillinglaw in Peeblesshire. William Shillielaw is recorded in Birkensyde in 1670 and John Shillinglaw in Thirlston Mill in 1683 (Lauder). William Shillilaw was shot in Tarbolton in 1685 (Thomson, Martyr graves of Scotland, p. 315). John Shillinglaw was tenant in Birkenside Mill before 1806 (Heirs, 535).
— The Surnames of Scotland (1946) by George Fraser Black (1866-1948)
I actually have more information about the greater Shillaw clan that Thomas and Mary begat but I'll save that for another post. You may already have the same information. I can't send you a private message yet because I need to post 3 things here before I can gain that privilege.
I look forward to hearing more from you -- or any other person with the Shillaw or Carney name who came from the Durham area.
Hello there
Have been researching the Shillaw family name for some years now, if there is anything I can assist you with I would be only too pleased to help. As you can see from my earlier messages on this board my family line is also through Thomas & Mary Ann Shillaw (nee Cole), then to my GGrandparents James Cole & Elizabeth Ann Shillaw (nee Coates).
If you send a private message with the information you require, will see what I can do to help
Unfortunately I have no information on the Carney family.
Ryhopelad