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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: katherinem on Sunday 02 February 14 10:53 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I have a maternal ancestor on both the 1851 and 1861 census (living in Yorkshire) has a birthplace of Haram Park, Nottinghamshire. The writing is legible on both census.
I have tried looking up where this could be, to no avail, have also tried different spellings, but as I do not know Nottinghamshire that well, was wondering if anyone could shed any light.
Many thanks,
Kath
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Hi- I just Googled it & there are refs to it being near Newark. Alt spelling - "Aram."
Regards
Everlea.
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Many thanks Everlea for taking the time. I am hoping that somebody with local knowledge can shed any light, as unless I am going absolutely totally bonkers, there are references to a trial of a Eugene Aram in the 1700's, where Aram Park is mentioned, but apart from that nothing :-(
Kath
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You're welcome - yes, local knowledge is what you need, but felt a bit sorry for you as you'd had no replies & so thought I'd have a look. Sure you're not going bonkers - just haven't found the necessary info.
Everlea.
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Hello....
This might help, explains better than I can :D
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NTT/Averham/
Sheila.
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Aram, locally pronounced, but spelling Averham. My dad was born there.
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Sheila,
Fantastic, thank you so much, have even found a possible baptism now.
Larkspur,
Thank you, no wonder I couldn't find it!
Kind regards,
Kath
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There are quite a few baptisms at Averham with the family living in Averham Park.
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There are quite a few baptisms at Averham with the family living in Averham Park.
Hi Larkspur,
The baptisms that have Averham Park on them, are these online? Wondering now if I have found a possible, as the one I am looking at doesn't have Park on them. I am looking on FamilySearch and A******y.
Kath
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If you look at the enumerator's route on both censuses, you should come across a street or landmark which still exists today, and this usually gives a fair indication of where a place used to be. It helps find the location if you can alternate between comparing on both an old and a modern map.
Good luck.
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No sorry, I should have said, I am looking at NFHS
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If you look at the enumerator's route on both censuses, you should come across a street or landmark which still exists today, and this usually gives a fair indication of where a place used to be. It helps find the location if you can alternate between comparing on both an old and a modern map.
Good luck.
Thank you for the great advice Ruskie, the lady in question is living in South Elmsall, which is approx 56 miles away, so won't help in this case!
No sorry, I should have said, I am looking at NFHS
The lady I am looking at is Elizabeth Taylor born c1788, I wonder if you would be so kind to have a look, as it would be a little expensive to get the disks, and I am not definite on her surname, I am guessing from a marriage in Spridlington, Lincolnshire to Charles Holt that this could be her.
Kind regards,
Kath
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Baptism Averham St Michael and All Angels
9-2-1788 Elizabeth dau of Thomas and Mary Taylor no abode listed.
also
12-3-1790 Susanna dau of Thomas and Mary Taylor
1-8-1792 Joseph son of Thos. and Mary Taylor
Oh so sad... Burial's Averham
15-4-1794 Susannah Taylor infant notes- "from the Park, slain by a gate falling upon her"
21-6-1808 Thos. Taylor " drowned in the Trent"
4-4-1814 Elizabeth Taylor 2 days " could be 7 days"
11-12-1866 Mary Taylor aged 74
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Hi larkspur,
That was very kind of you, shame no abode was listed.
Thanks again.
Kath
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Abode listed on the burial of Susannah...
From the Spridlington book of Marriages and Banns, it says Charles Holt and Elizabeth Taylor from the Parish of Glentham.
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Must have posted my reply at exactly the same time as your reply, with the burial of Susannah. How terribly sad, but I can now work on this family.
Really appreciate the time and trouble you have taken.
Kath
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If you look at the enumerator's route on both censuses, you should come across a street or landmark which still exists today, and this usually gives a fair indication of where a place used to be. It helps find the location if you can alternate between comparing on both an old and a modern map.
Good luck.
Thank you for the great advice Ruskie, the lady in question is living in South Elmsall, which is approx 56 miles away, so won't help in this case!
Apologies Kath, I did not read your original post carefully enough .. :-[
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Hi,
I know I am a bit late on this discussion but I only came across it yesterday.
I have fvery recently come up against the same brick wall and from what has been said KatherineM I think that we are talking about the same persons that is Charles Holt and wife Elizabeth.
My specific interest is from their daughter Lydia (born 1808. South Kirby).
Katherine did you ever solve the conundrum if so I would be grateful for a little help. I have found a marriage of a Charles Holt to a Elizabeth Howlgate, but it took place in Halifax in July 1804, which seems to me to be to far from South Kirby & Nottinghamshire.
Best wishes
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Hi Tissot,
The conundrum of the marriage remains at the moment unsolved/unproved. I must admit it has been a long time since I looked at this side of the family though!
My ancestor is Lydia's older sister Mary Ann Holt born 1806 in South Elmsall.
I will endeavour to look at this side again and maybe between us, we can get some holes in that brick wall.
Kind regards,
Kath
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"Baptism Averham St Michael and All Angels
9-2-1788 Elizabeth dau of Thomas and Mary Taylor no abode listed."
Elizabeth's place of birth on the census being Harham. Local pronunciation of Averham being Airham.
I think this marriage needs checking out....
Marriage Spridlington
1 Oct 1805 Charles Holt and Elizabeth Taylor
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Hi Kath,
I think that the Birth of Elizabeth TAYLOR 9th Feb 1788-Averham - daughter of Thomas & Mary TAYLOR is, given all the facts, credible.
The marriage of Charles HOLT to Elizabeth TAYLOR 1st Oct 1805 Spridlington, Lincolnshire would on the face of it, look a little shaky.
The Original marriage certificate (available on Find My Past) shows that the parish given for both Charles and Elizabeth is GLENTHAM which is just north of Spridligton.
However, given that Glentham is only about 45 Miles away from South Emshall and 35 Miles from Averham, it would seem highly likely that Charles and Elizabeth had independently moved to the Glentham area to find work. We shall never know for certain but I feel comfortable with the assumption. knowing that our ancestors did move about more than we imagine.
Best wishes
John