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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wicklow => Topic started by: torbay kid on Saturday 01 February 14 10:43 GMT (UK)
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hi all
looking for info on Robert Rickerby from Carnew, Co Wicklow. He moved to NZ with his 2nd wife Sarah on the Cardigan Castle in 1873.
Robert was married twice, both times in Ireland - his 1st wife was Ann Whealan with whom he had at least 6 kids and possibly 8 or 9 with 2nd wife Sarah in New Zealand.
I'm hoping someone may be able to help with info on Robert and Sarah (births & marriage & where they may have lived etc) plus details on Ann Whealan.
Would appreciate if anyone can unravel the Rickerby's this area
thanks in anticipation
Bryce
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Hi there, to avoid folk spending time providing you with information that you already have, can you be more specific?
I've seen this query elsewhere, is this you?
http://www.GenesReunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1305252
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Marriage Shillelagh 28 Aug 1852 Robert Rickerby to Ann Whelan
Civil index for marriage
Shillelagh 1852
vol 10 page 77.
edit Robert son of John
Ann dtr of William.
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Griffiths Valuation shows 2 Robert Rickerby's in Shillelagh 1853 both in Carnew town one at Carnew St and one at Coolattin.
Address on marriage cert might point to right one.
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May also be of interest
Birth/baptism of Robert Rickerby parents Robert Rickerby Ann Whelan
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FG15-HHL
annclare
added - if you would like to get the birth cert the references are on this link
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FY52-N68
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hi all and thanks for your replies
to be more specific I'm looking firstly for the birth/baptism of Robert Rickerby. On his death cert shows he died 30 Aug 1902, Halswell, Canterbury, NZ aged 70, therefore born ca 1832 - states he was born Ireland, father (looks like) John, no mother given
1st marriage to Ann Whelan, in registry office (Shillelagh) 1852 - no religion given
2nd marriage to Sarah Miller, Church of Hollyfort, Wexford 1871 - United church of England & Ireland
both marriage certs show Robert's father as John, residing in Carnew (no actual addresses recorded)
the birth/baptism of Robert is the most important to me and hopefully will allow me to identify his parents and lead to previous generations.
note that I have tried this request on other sites with no positive result
haven't found any films on LDS to cover births of this period (assume not catholic)
best regards
Bryce
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message to Saddles
if you could please contact me re your suggestion of names
cheers Bryce
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The Baptismal/Birth Index on the RootsIreland website brings back an 1834 baptism "hit" for a Robert Richarby with father John, I suppose it is a long shot possibility.
To see the record content is pay to view, but for this era you won't get a lot of information. I'll see if I can tie down more detail from searching the index...
Edited to add: Faffed about with the RootsIreland Index, the baptismal parish is Carnew RC (so maybe the wrong one if you think not Catholic) and the mother's forename is Ally.
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The Tithe Applotment Books circa 1825 to 1835 brings up John Rickerby ,Ballydonigan,Clone,Wexford and John Rickerby, Carnalway,Carnew,Kildare.
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I note from Googling that you say on the marriage certs Robert described as a labourer and father John the same,maybe not connected to the above Rickerby's who seemed to have a lot of land and usually would be described as Gent or Esq.
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hi all
on Robert's death cert religion is given as Anglican so probably safe to rule out RC
father noted as John, farmer - mother not recorded
cheers Bryce
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hi again
Have also had a look at the Baptismal/Birth Index on the RootsIreland - the 1834 baptism for a Robert Richarby (mentioned by Gaffy) is by the closest match by a long way, but the RC would preclude that (for now anyway). Searching over a greater time span and without using father John did not throw up any better result
Bryce
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ship cardigan castle 1873
Robert age 38 down as a Shepherd bound to Halswell
Sarah age 20, Hannah age 19, John age 16, Thomas age 14, Annie age 12, Mary age 10, Robert age 7.
http://familysearch.org
marriage 28.8.1852 shilliegh wicklow indexing no M70207-1 GS film 101341.
http://www.carnewhistoricalsociety.com
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hi Rathmore
yes the passenger list for the Cardigan Castle shows Sarah (his 2nd wife) with 6 kids from the marriage with his first wife Anne (Whelan) - Anne died in Tomacork aged 36 from cancer in 1869 and Robert remarried to Sarah (Miller) in 1871 prior to travelling to New Zealand on the Cardigan Castle in 1873
cheers Bryce
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Hi Bryce, I have some family links to this Robert Rickerby. There were several Robert Rickerbys on the Coollattin Estate a few years before this Robert and family headed to NZ. Please send me a personal message. I'm brand new to Roots Chat so just finding my way around at present. Regards, Paul
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Welcome to Rootschat :)
You will need to make at least one more post before torbay kid (Bryce) can send you a PM.
http://familysearch.org
marriage 28.8.1852 shilliegh wicklow indexing no M70207-1 GS film 101341.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1852/09439/5419465.pdf
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Thanks for the link and the advice Kiltaglassan. I guess I should read the chat all the way through ;D
I'm adding an related image here to see if that counts as a post. I'll also add the link as well.
http://www.printset.ie/coollattin/Surname.april.2014.pdf [pages 52 and 53]
Regards, Paul
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Hi
The website coolattinlives.ie shows a list of Tenants during 1868. Robert Rickarby age 37, along with wife age 29 and six children (three sons and three daughters) are shown in Tomacork. This entry also states 'Reps Elizabeth Whelan'.
This can be checked at National Library of Ireland, under MS3996-9.
Regards
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Thanks. Do you know what is meant by the abbreviation “Reps.”?
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Hi
I've always seen it as representing someone else, such as a deceased person.
Kind regards
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OK. That could work as (probably this) Robert’s (first) wife was a Whelan. Cheers.
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Out of curiosity, on the Coolattinlives.ie website, I took a look at the Townsland Tomacork, and entered the name Whelan, to see whether there had been an earlier Whelan here before Robert Rickarby.
Bingo, Emigration Records 1847-56 lists Elizabeth Whelan age 56, Anne 22, Margaret 19, son in law Jno. Rickerby 20, grandchild Hannah 1.
Again National Library Ref No. MS4974-4975.
Happy hunting.
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Right. Well, that is very interesting. Thank you.
I wonder how far Bryce got with this - he started this thread almost a decade ago. I am trying to contact him through another pathway, I'll see if that bears fruit.
I understand the Rickerby's of that time to have been Protestant English and Masons. I am coming to an understanding of how the Coollattin Estate operated in the mid-19th Centrury (the social and economic demographics of that time). Thanks for the coolatinlives.ie link, that will be very informative.
I imagine the departure of so many tenants in the 1850's left a labour void that would have needed to be filled when the land returned to productivity after the Great Hunger.
There were Cahill connections in Coollattin which are intertwined with the Rickerby connections, so I'm unpicking those as I go.
Cheers, Paul
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hi all and apologies for the delay. Have been catching up with the info you have added and most interesting. Robert Rickerby was one of my frustrating blockages - I always felt the Coollattin Estate may have held the answer but wasn't sure how to approach it. I'll check your input out first and see what's next. Thanks so much for your help.
Paul, we recv'd your other message (I assume this was you) but this has disappeared - could you please re-send brief message by same means
best regards Bryce
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Hi Bryce.
Sent another message per request. Looking at the coolatinlives.ie website there are Rickerbys, Rickaby's and Rickarby's, so one needs to search for all. It would seem logical/probable they would be different spellings of the same wider family grouping.
Kind regards, Paul
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hi all loving to see new research options (www.printset.ie and Coolattinlives.ie) much to do cheers Bryce
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Hi
Don't forget to read the Workhouse Records on coolattinlives.ie, remembering the workhouse doubled up as a makeshift hospital.
Happy hunting
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Thanks. Yes, you must have been reading my mind ... I had a quick squiz today. One needs a quiet place and a few spare hours. I have been looking through the Assizes as well, they have brought up a few tasty morsels. They are easier to search as they have been OCR'd. It's a bit difficult to do that with the cursive script of the workhouse records. Cheers, Paul