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Title: MARY or MARGARET?
Post by: Tunbridge on Friday 31 January 14 19:59 GMT (UK)
My 4th grt grandmother was born 1755-1765 Lanark, Lanark, and died 1821 Midlothian.  At least, I (think) these particulars refer to Mary TORRANCE/TORRENCE (married to William BELL).  My question - is the name Mary/Margaret interchangeable?  The only logical entries for both birth and death refer to this lady as Mary and/or Margaret; all other information agrees.

Thank you for any suggestions.
Pat
Title: Re: MARY or MARGARET?
Post by: MonicaL on Friday 31 January 14 20:03 GMT (UK)
Hi Pat

Just adding link to your other post here www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=676000.0 so we do not have duplication of effort by people trying to help with both posts.

Monica
Title: Re: MARY or MARGARET?
Post by: GR2 on Friday 31 January 14 23:21 GMT (UK)
I have never come across these names as interchangeable. The only possibility (and I have seen this) is for a transcriber to misread "Margt" as "Mary". If you have seen the original documents and one says "Margaret" and the other "Mary", a poor transcription is ruled out.
Title: Re: MARY or MARGARET?
Post by: Tunbridge on Sunday 02 February 14 17:28 GMT (UK)
Thank you for you suggestion.  It is a very good likelihood that indeed, the transcription might have been in error and Mary is in fact Margt.  I will have a second look.
Title: Re: MARY or MARGARET?
Post by: Alb R on Monday 03 February 14 03:39 GMT (UK)
I've come across Mary/Margaret as interchangeable a number of times while being 100% sure that they were the same person.  Mary/Marion, Martha/Mary also seem common.
Title: Re: MARY or MARGARET?
Post by: tidybooks on Monday 03 February 14 15:02 GMT (UK)
Hi All,

Have a look at this link,

http://www.whatsinaname.net/female-names/Marg.html

Does mention the mis-transcription.

Tom
Title: Re: MARY or MARGARET?
Post by: Tunbridge on Monday 03 February 14 16:43 GMT (UK)
Many thanks - it appears I have much more checking/research to do.
Title: Re: MARY or MARGARET?
Post by: Forfarian on Tuesday 04 February 14 10:15 GMT (UK)
I've come across Mary/Margaret as interchangeable a number of times while being 100% sure that they were the same person.  Mary/Marion, Martha/Mary also seem common.

Marion/Marian/Marianne/Mary Ann are all variants of Mary, no problem there.

However I reckon that confusion between Margaret and Mary, or between Martha and Mary, has to arise out of some sort of mistake in recording or transcription. I would certainly not describe either as 'common'.

I have seen just one incidence of confusion between Mary and Margaret that I could not trace back to poor record-keeping, and I have never seen an incidence of confusion between Martha and Mary. Nor would I expect to - I am sure that the biblical story of Martha and Mary would have been far too well known to most people for them to imagine that the two names are equivalent.
Title: Re: MARY or MARGARET?
Post by: Tunbridge on Tuesday 04 February 14 17:31 GMT (UK)
My thanks - in this instance, it would appear the consensus is that it is more likely an error in transcription (Mary/Margt) and I have more work to do.
Title: Re: MARY or MARGARET?
Post by: Unė kthimi i papenduar on Friday 07 February 14 23:19 GMT (UK)
What do you all think?
Title: Re: MARY or MARGARET?
Post by: Tunbridge on Friday 07 February 14 23:33 GMT (UK)
Yes, I have a copy of this death for "Mary" Torrance, however I was hoping to determine the first name as one or the other, as other records I have looked at appear to be Margaret/Margt/Marg, and are possibilities as connections with my family.  Many thanks for your help.
Title: Re: MARY or MARGARET?
Post by: Forfarian on Saturday 08 February 14 09:25 GMT (UK)
What do you all think?

Assuming you mean what is her given name, Mary.

Not sure about the immediately following word, however.