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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: krissy on Monday 27 January 14 16:19 GMT (UK)
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hi guys , still not sure where i should be posting this , but am looking for some help from anyone who is within visiting distance to the national archives , i need a look up done and cat get there myself , would there be some kind person who could do this for me please
krissy x
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Hi krissy
Can you let us know what you are looking for?
There are chatters who visit but they do have different areas of expertise.
Dawn
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hi there dawn
thankyou for the reply i have a ref number , its for my daughter i will find out exactly what info she wants , i believe there are a lot of pages , but to send for them is exspensive , i will pm you with the details she is looking for if you dont mind , here is the ref anyway the archive reference is: Reference:HO 405/14222
krissy
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hi dawn , sorry re read your reply lol, so here is what my daughter is looking for , the archives have a file of records on josef fingerneissl , he was born in austria but came to this country before ww2 , he had an english wife and owned a shop ! when war broke out his shop was taken off him and he was sent to an interment camp on the isle of man , tho he was austrian he was still deemed alien and probably not trustworthy , the story goes that they tried ti ontern his wife too , but she was freed since she was english josef was sent to one of the camps and was still there for some reason n the 1950s , he never returned to his family , my daughter is trying to find info as to why this was and why was he not naturalised and any info that can shed light on his demise . she went online to the archives and they have approx 58 pages which as you can imagine is going to cost , so she is hoping if anyone is going there they can have a look and see if it worth the cost ??, i have ordered records myself and seem to have a few pages that have only a few words on :-\ not really worth paying for these lol !!!
if anyone is going there we would really appreciate ad over view of what is actually in there .
many thanks
krissy
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Hi Krissy,
What a sad but interesting piece of research your daughter has :) I can't help with the documents you want but has your daughter got background information on him? I ask, as, after reading your post yesterday I went off into the internet to find out more & gathered some bits & bobs ;)
Jane
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I would contact these people for a quote. You would need to register.
http://www.arcre.com/copyservice
On the face of it they charge 9 pence a page for copying. Although they seem to be Military researchers, I don't think your request will cause a problem.
Just send them this link
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/s/res?_q=ho405%2F14222
I have never used them myself but know people who have and who have been satisfied.
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hi jane and seaweed thankyou for the replies and links my daughter will appreciate it x
yes its a puzzler , we have found his father frank (franz) had an fbi file and managed to get it copied , seems a disgruntled neighbour tried in vain to get him in trouble , we have found him on the 1910 and 1920 census but then he dissappears completley , so now we have the task of finding him ?? but josef was in this country and the task in hand is to find out what happened to him ??? so anything that you come up with will be gratefully recieved xx
krissy
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hi all its krissy's daughter, thank you for your helpful links. The only information i have on josef Fingerneissl born 27th feb 1889 is that he came to the UK in 1901 from Eferding, Austria. He was an illegitimate child of Maria Fingerneissl who was born 15th Jan 1869. Sorry mum franz/frank was his uncle not his father lol. When he arrived he worked as a servant in a large house in Eastbourne where he met his wife susan marie Alder. The stories say that he at some point before ww2 owned a shop in Eastbourne that was taken off him when he was interred on the isle of man. I have come across susan Fingerneissls (nee alder) internment record that says she attended a tribunal to exempt her from internment but this was done after she had already been sent there with Josef. What i find ironic is that their one and one son William Fingerneissl was fighting for Britain at the same time.
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On the face of it they charge 9 pence a page for copying. Although they seem to be Military researchers, I don't think your request will cause a problem.
Don't know how they manage 9p a sheet, thr NA charges 25p
They must take digital pics and print elsewhere
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On the face of it they charge 9 pence a page for copying. Although they seem to be Military researchers, I don't think your request will cause a problem.
Don't know how they manage 9p a sheet, thr NA charges 25p
They must take digital pics and print elsewhere
Maybe the minimum charge of £4.50 helps as most people would only want a few pages copied
Just a thought
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Hi Dalibabe,
I picked up the following information,
In 1911 it looks like Josef Adolphus Fingerneissl is in Eastbourne. He married Susan Maria Alder, 1912 Wantage, Berks. He died, 21/12/1961 at 4 Nicholson Way, Sevenoaks. Probate was awarded to Susan. Susan herself died Q3 1977, Tonbridge Registration District. Her DOB is given as 23/11/1882.
If none of the suggestions given here about obtaining copies from TNA work, I will be going to the UK in June/July & could have a look at them for you,
Jane
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hi again all, something that has come to mind is that i am unable to find any records on josef coming to england in 1901. He would have only been 12 so surely he would have come over here with a relative of sorts. if not where we he go?
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Have you found him in the 1901 census? I've just looked & he's not showing up,
jane
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no i have looked but assumed he came to the UK after the census was taken, the US has ellis Island records but i cannot seem to find any for the UK
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no i have looked but assumed he came to the UK after the census was taken, the US has ellis Island records but i cannot seem to find any for the UK
There is no equivalent of Ellis Island for the UK
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Thanks Davidft, would you happen to know if there is any other way I can find out this information
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He is not showing on incoming passenger lists as listed on Ancestry. But that is most probably due to the fact that he was arriving from Europe, as opposed to USA, Australia, etc. ::)
I am not aware that the cross-Channel ferries ever had passenger lists. Sorry :'(
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Dalibabe, why do you think he came to the UK in 1901? What is your source? All this information should be recorded in those documents at the TNA.
There are several public trees on Ancestry that include Josef. Do you have a subscription?
Jane
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Godd thinking, Jane. ;) However, they don't appear to have any more information regarding Josef than Dalibabe already has :'(
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The only information I have is from living family members, I have sent off for his naturalisation records which will hopefully contain more information. I don't have subscription but have noted the various trees containing his name, however I think they are Susan alders family his wife.
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Bumblebee would the ferries have been running during the early 1900s
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SO :-\ Why can't I find, on FreeBMD, any marriage for either Fingerneissl or Alder - 1910 - 1930?
Ah, ha!! Marriage entry is for Susan M Alder and Josef A. Fingureisse or Josef A. Fingerseisse - December quarter, Wantage, page 769 ;D
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Your right BumbleB but if they are direct descendants they might have some oral history which might help.
I had a look on Ellis Island & found a Franz & Marie Fingerneissl both aged 29 from Linz. A married couple. They were destined to go to San Antonio, Texas. They were on SS Southwark & arrived on 27/8/1901. Worth taking a look at the page as I can't make out his occupation & a couple of other things.
Any connection Dalibabe?
Jane
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Look at my post #10 BumbleB :D
Jane
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Dalibabe: from www.ferries-to-france.com
In the late nineteenth century, Channel crossings were made by paddle steamer, considered as a technical feat of the age. The growing interest of travellers to travel to the continent marked the beginning of an era when cross-Channel shipping started to change.
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Look at my post #10 BumbleB :D
Jane
I agree - but Josef's surname has been transcribed by the GRO as Fingureisse and Fingerseisse , which is why I couldn't find the marriage intially. :-[
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Took me ages to find it too ::)
Jane
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There sons record of birth is spelt William fingerneisst I contacted the transcriber to correct it but was told I had insufficient proof lol
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jane sorry only just saw your previous post about franz/frank fingerneissl, this was his uncle. Hes another mystery altogether lol, he went to america where he settled in bexar texas. From what i can gather with records i have found is that possibly his wife marie died sometime between 1901 and 1909 because my cousin found a marriage record in early 1910 to a louise herzinger in medina county. he appears with her on the 1910 census and also on the 1920 census but then disappears after 1921 where i found them on the town directory. You would think with such an unusual name it would be easy to find them ;D
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Try anc sister site http://www.mundia.com/nl/ if you wish to view family trees. Just register and the site if free.
Link to the USA thread on Frank Fingerneissl.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=675351.0
Sandra
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Not sure if this has been mentioned.
There is a mention in the 1913 Kelly's Directory Brighton and Hove of Jsph Fangerneissl - Shopkpr -Essex Street.
Sandra
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The online transcriptions of the birth, marriage and death indexes must be a true transcription of what is in the index.
If the index entry is spelt incorrectly on freebmd, then the best you can do is attach a postem detailing the error..
It is not for freebmd, FindMyPast or Ancestry to correct the entries in the GRO indexes.
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thank you sandra, the family trees are those of josef's wife's family and it actually gives a lot of her family and a few generations
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Just to confirm what dawnsh says. I do transcriptions for FreeBMD and we are told that we have to type exactly what is written in the index. I've seen some wonderful errors, but I'm not allowed to correct them.