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Hi, i am trying to find some information on Thomas Bosson.He came to NZ sometime after his birth 1886 in Staffordshire, England with his parents James Rhead Bosson and Lydia Bosson (nee Harris) and other siblings.Sorry i haven't much more information. thank you.
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looking at the census they were still in England 1901 when he was age 11yrs
do you want info on his family and him before going to N.Z??
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passenger list on the ship Ionie ,1 july 1903
Thomas boson age 13 ,scholar and his sister ethel age 17 occ milliner
depart London to wellington
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Parents - George Rhead and Lydia BOSSON first appear on a New Zealand electoral roll (Taranaki) in 1911.
Thomas BOSSON on same roll, living at Skeet Road, Matapu.
~ Lu
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parents and rest of family left England aboard the Jonio 1 june 1905
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passenger list shows james rhead bosson age 44 a farmer, his wife age 41 and children
fred age 23 ,annie age 17,hilda age 11,grace age 9,james age 8,violet age 1
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earlier census's show Thomas's father working in the potteries and his grandfather was a grocer do you have this info?
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James and Lydia are buried in the TE HENUI cemetery in New plymouth
http://www.newplymouthnz.com/CouncilAtoZ/CemeteriesAndCrematorium/CemeterySearch.htm
Cheers Janette
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Spacecookie
.... it seems that an older son of James R. and Lydia BOSSON, arrived here (NZ) ahead of other members of his family.
In 1891 census I note there is a child named "George A. BOSSON - aged 4 yrs".
He appears to be the George Albert BOSSON on NZ electoral rolls firstly at Hawera (Taranaki) 1905-06.
In 1911 George Albert (a farmer) is with BOSSON family members living at Awatuna or Matapu.
~ Lu
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Immigration record :
BOSSON - George - occupation: Clerk - aged 18 years
Per "Delphic" from London to Wellington (NZ) - departed 25 September 1901
~ Lu
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Red herring sorry
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I can't see a death for a Thomas of that date of birth in NZ
Cheers Janette
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I don't see the BOSSON family on NZ Immigration records at FamilySearch ?
It's possible that as George Albert BOSSON arrived first (1901), he may have sponsored other family members to NZ ? [Probably the later family members paid for their own passages to the colony ? ]
~ Lu
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There are probates held for both Lydia and James at Wellington Archives,they may shed some light on where their children were
James
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=14563016
Lydia
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=23138818
Cheers Janette
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Did your Thomas BOSSON marry in NZ ???
Thomas BOSSON - Honoria HORAN -- year 1916
~ Lu
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FindMyPast index has these Thomas' leaving the UK
BOSSON Thomas Unknown M 1909 Liverpool USA New York
BOSSON Thomas 1884 M 1919 Southampton USA New York
BOSSON Thomas 1884 M 1954 London USA San Francisco
BOSSON Thomas 1884 M 1954 London USA San Francisco
BOSSON Thos 1890 M 1903 London New Zealand Wellington
Cheers Janette
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Hi again...
Thomas BOSSON, son of James Rick BOSSON and Lydia HARRIS, died 1953
Victoria BDM
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=getHistIdxSearchCriteria (https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=getHistIdxSearchCriteria)
Trove
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article26585783 (http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article26585783)
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His wife Daisy Louisa BOSSON died in 1988
Page 52
The Age - Dec 13, 1988
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xr0/ (http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xr0/)
Column 1
5th Notice down
"After 14 clear days..." etc
Regards
Beg
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This may be his burial
http://mapping.fcmp.com.au:1001/Pubmapping/index.aspx
They have the wrong dates 1st Jan 1880 for everything but his age was 63yrs
Cheers Janette
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passenger list on the ship Ionie ,1 july 1903
Thomas boson age 13 ,scholar and his sister ethel age 17 occ milliner
depart London to wellington
parents and rest of family left England aboard the Jonio 1 june 1905
passenger list shows james rhead bosson age 44 a farmer, his wife age 41 and children
fred age 23 ,annie age 17,hilda age 11,grace age 9,james age 8,violet age 1
** CORRECTION **
Hi ... not your fault at all DORAN :) ... but just correcting the ship's name for the above records.
In both instances (1903 and 1905) the ship was the "Ionic".
[Passenger list indexes at ancestry.com are to "blame" with mistranscriptions of "Ionie" and "Jonio". ] ;D
~ Lu
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looking at the census they were still in England 1901 when he was age 11yrs
do you want info on his family and him before going to N.Z??
Hi, yes i would like a little further info before they came to nz. I have a little from inquiring on the England-Staff site. I did hear from my sister in law, who i am doing this for, that she thought a couple of family members had come to NZ before the others. I also think that one went to another country to, maybe Canada. It is the right Thomas Bosson that married a Horan ( re another reply to my question on these posts) as she told me the name Horan as well. thank you very much for the info everybody.
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earlier census's show Thomas's father working in the potteries and his grandfather was a grocer do you have this info? hi yes, i was given the 1871 census for George Bosson H 58 yrs, Harlington,Cheshire Grocer,Mary W 54yrs Hanley Staff. and 1881 James Rhead Bosson 21 yrs living with mother Mary-Grocer. thanks for helping. My sis in law gave me a copy of birth cert for Thomas Bosson b 1889 father James Bosson, potters painter 20 Bridgewater ? Rushton. Mother Lydia.Reg district Wolstanton.
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Did your Thomas BOSSON marry in NZ ???
Thomas BOSSON - Honoria HORAN -- year 1916
~ Lu
Hi, yes he did marry in NZ and the name Horan is one my sis in law told me. would you have any more info on Thomas and Honorias children,or maybe any concerning Honoria Horan or should i do a separate look up for Honoria re her parents or where she came from. thank you.
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Hi spacecookie
Honoria (Honora) BOSSON died on 23 May 1932 - aged 42 years (born about 1890).
She is buried at the Hawera General cemetery (Roman Catholic Section).
There is also a stillborn BOSSON infant buried in same section of the cemetery - buried 22 August 1927.
More info to come.
~ Lu
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NZ BDM (online)
Birth registration :
1927 / 7416 - BOSSON - N/R (name not recorded)
S (S = stillborn)
Parents : Honora and Thomas
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Because Honoria and Thomas probably didn't have children until after their marriage in 1916, you won't be able to look for issue on the NZ BDM (online). [Births only available up to "today's date", 1914. ]
~ Lu
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Here's the link to Hawera Cemetery :
http://public.stdc.govt.nz/cemeteries/
BOSSON - Honora Cecilia - aged 42 years
BOSSON - Stillborn infant.
I notice that there is also a burial at Hawera (RSA section) for a "Thomas William BOSSON" - aged 38 years, died 1961.
Born about 1923 ... could he have been a child of Thomas and Honoria ???
~ Lu
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Honoria HORAN
Mmm ... not sure I can assist too much with determining parents ???
An unusual name (distinctly Irish) ... sometimes spelled as "Honora" (Honorah).
There is an "Honoria HORAN" who first appears on an electoral roll at Christchurch in 1911 (which would be a good match for Honora BOSSON born about 1890 - and voting for first time at age 21 in 1911.) [Actually she's listed on both the ChCh East and ChCh South in 1911 though details are the same - spinster living at 81 Wilson's Road. ]
In 1914 - Christchurch East she's again listed and there are others (probably her family) at same address.
HORAN - Eugene Aloysius - postal official
HORAN - Mary Helena - spinster
HORAN - Honoria - spinster
HORAN - Owen - engine driver
HORAN - Sarah - married
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I can't see a New Zealand Birth registration for Honoria (or var.) HORAN ??? (Maybe though surname has been miss-spelled ? ) Will look again.
The following are the children registered to Sarah and Owen HORAN (who resided in Christchurch).
1883 - HORAN - Mary Ellen [possibly the Mary Helena HORAN on e/rolls? ]
1888 - HORAN - William John
1893 - HORAN - Euguent [sic] Aloysius
1899 - HORAN - Eileen Josephine
Parents: Sarah and Owen
also ...
1885 - HOREN - Norah
Parents: Sarah and Owen
1896 - HORAN - May Philomena
Parents: Jane (probably a transcription error ?) and Owen HORAN
[Can confirm that this May Philomena HORAN is on e/rolls at Christchurch at various times living with parents Sarah and Owen and with brother Eugene. ]
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Probable NZ Marriage of parents ?
Owen HORAN - Sarah CUNNINGHAM -- 1882
[Will have another look at the Roman Catholic baptisms for Canterbury area to see if I can spot Honoria. ]
~ Lu
Highlighted in blue are additions to earlier post .
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Honoria HORAN ???
Found this Christchurch marriage for a HORAN daughter.
22 November 1911 at Catholic Cathedral, ChCh.
Mary Ellen HORAN (28) to Joseph Stanislaus FOLEY
Bride's parents: Owen HORAN (engine driver) and Sarah Theresa (nee CUNNINGHAM)
Witnesses to marriage:
- John Aloysius HORAN, plasterer
- Honoria HORAN - tailoress
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Suggestive that this Honoria is probably the sister of the bride above ?
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Hi spacecookie
... can you satisfy my curiosity, please ? ;)
Just interested to know why your sister-in-law is following this Thomas BOSSON line, if none of his children are known ??? [Usual practice is to work backwards from a known person. ]
* Or does she have the name of maybe one child to Thomas and Honoria ???
Cheers
~ Lu
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Here's the link to Hawera Cemetery :
http://public.stdc.govt.nz/cemeteries/
I notice that there is also a burial at Hawera (RSA section) for a "Thomas William BOSSON" - aged 38 years, died 1961.
Born about 1923 ... could he have been a child of Thomas and Honoria ???
~ Lu
This entry in the NZ WWII Nominal rolls :
BOSSON - Tom. William - single - residing at 34 ? Bay Street, Petone (Wellington)
Next-of-Kin : Mrs M. GILBERT - 234 Princes Road, Hawera (s) [(s) = sister ]
* Do you know of this "Mrs GILBERT" ???
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Mrs M. GILBERT (sister of Tom William BOSSON )
Appears to be the following :
NZ Death
1996 - GILBERT - Mary Philomene - d.o.b. 21 July 1917
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Hi again
re: Honoria BOSSON.
Obviously we only have her 1932 "age at death" > 42 years > born circa 1890 to work with at present, in this search.
NZ Death
1932 - BOSSON - Honora Cecilia - 42 years
And > age 42 > given on Hawera Cemetery record.
Have since found the birth registration for the child of Sarah and Owen HORAN (who lived at Christchurch) ... although it is 1885 > with date of birth being 6 January 1885.
1885 / 4498 - HOREN [sic] - Norah*
Parents: Sarah and Owen
* NOTE: Name is recorded as "Norah" - which is a diminutive of the name(s) Honora / Honorah/ Honoria etc.
Didn't find any HORAN (or var.) deaths or marriages for this child, so assume she is the Honoria HORAN residing with parents and siblings in Christchurch 1911 - 1914.
[Note: There is a birth of a "Norah Cecilia HORAN" (1899) but she was baptised in Greymouth and has different parents. ]
At this stage I'm not ruling out that the Christchurch Honoria HORAN, was the same lady who married Thomas BOSSON in 1917.
~ Lu
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Hi spacecookie
... can you satisfy my curiosity, please ? ;)
Just interested to know why your sister-in-law is following this Thomas BOSSON line, if none of his children are known ??? [Usual practice is to work backwards from a known person. ]
* Or does she have the name of maybe one child to Thomas and Honoria ??? Hi, sorry its me doing this.My Sis in law is in her late 60s and lives in Aussie now and doesn't have a computer. She sent me the birth cert for Thomas Bosson so i started from there. She will have some names so i will get her to send me what she does know, it will make it easier.Her maiden name was Bosson and Honoria and Thomas were her Grandparents.I do know her father was Owen Paterick Bosson.I am sorry, i should have waited for the rest of her info, but thank you for the help.
Cheers
~ Lu
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Hi spacecookie
... thanks for the clarification.
Funnily enough, I was just this minute, working on getting further info for Owen Patrick. ;D
Rather suspected that he may be a son > given the name "Owen" > and that same name was also that of the father of Honoria HORAN from Christchurch. ;)
So, I think it's looking very likely that the HORAN connection is that of the people (Owen and Sarah) from Christchurch. :-\
Yes any more info you can give will assist.
~ Lu
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Hi
Of the BOSSON family trees that I can see on ancestry.com, most don't offer a lot of info (for BOSSON children - born in NZ). And none of the trees appear to have the names of parents James Rhead and Lydia - so I suspect that the researching of the family has extended (yet) beyond NZ.
There are though some message board enquiries re: BOSSON @ ancestry.
If you "google" New Zealand family history + BOSSON (or similar) you'll be able to read them and maybe connect to those researchers.
[One of the researchers mentions the names of Ethel / George / Violet / Annie / Frederick BOSSON etc. ... and also suggests that Thomas B. didn't marry and can't be found ? ;D So you now will have some info to share with them. :) ]
~ Lu
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Please see additions made to earlier post > my reply # 26 > which now includes birth registrations for >
1885 - HOREN - Norah
[d/o Sarah and Owen ]
1896 - HORAN - May Philomena
[d/o Jane ??? and Owen ]
~ Lu
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Mrs M. GILBERT (sister of Tom William BOSSON )
Appears to be the following :
NZ Death
1996 - GILBERT - Mary Philomene - d.o.b. 21 July 1917
Suspect now that Tom (Thomas) William BOSSON and Mary Philomene GILBERT (nee BOSSON) are the siblings of Owen Patrick BOSSON. ;D
Noting that the Honoria HORAN of Christchurch had sisters named "Mary" and "May Philomena" ...
which may have given rise to the naming of Mary Philomena BOSSON ?
~ Lu
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looking at the census they were still in England 1901 when he was age 11yrs
do you want info on his family and him before going to N.Z??
Hi, yes i would like a little further info before they came to nz. I have a little from inquiring on the England-Staff site. I did hear from my sister in law, who i am doing this for, that she thought a couple of family members had come to NZ before the others. I also think that one went to another country to, maybe Canada.
Hi spacecookie
Looks like most of census info for BOSSON and HARRIS families has already been posted to your Staffordshire thread ??
1901 UK census (in case You haven't got this one).
Staffordshire - Woolstanton - 4 Lunts? Avenue
James R. BOSSON - 41 - storeman potter's printer (earthen?) - b. Staffs - Tunstall
Lydia - wife - 38 - b. Derbyshire ?*- Alton
Frederick - son - 19 - Potter's printer (earthen.) - worker - b. Staffs. - Tunstall
Ethel - dau - 15 [no occupation shown] - b. Tunstall
Annie - dau - 13 - b. Tunstall
Thomas - son - 11 - b. Staffs - Longport
Hilda - dau - 7 - b. Staffs -Wolstanton
Grace A. - dau - 5 - b. Staffs - Burslem
James -son - 4 - b. Staffs - Burslem
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James and Lydia married in 1881 - oldest child appears to be Frederick, born c. 1882 ? George A. BOSSON is not with family in 1901 - he left for New Zealand in September 1901.
All the other children of James and Lydia seem to be accounted for, so not sure which one of them might have gone to Canada ???
Edited to add: * Lydia's birthplace shown on this census return as Derbyshire - Alton ... but all other census records (including in her maiden name) show "Staffordshire - Alton".
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Hi. Sorry I can't give you much information right here and now as we have just shifted house, this family is my Mother in law's family, so it is possible we could share some information.
I will talk to Mum later today, she is very interested in family history, also there are other BOSSON buried in Hawera, would be happy to take photos.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Gail.
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Mrs M. GILBERT (sister of Tom William BOSSON )
Appears to be the following :
NZ Death
1996 - GILBERT - Mary Philomene - d.o.b. 21 July 1917
Suspect now that Tom (Thomas) William BOSSON and Mary Philomene GILBERT (nee BOSSON) are the siblings of Owen Patrick BOSSON. ;D
Noting that the Honoria HORAN of Christchurch had sisters named "Mary" and "May Philomena" ...
which may have given rise to the naming of Mary Philomena BOSSON ?
~ Lu
hi, would it be possible to find the children of Thomas Bosson and Honoria Horan,at all?
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"hi, would it be possible to find the children of Thomas Bosson and Honoria Horan,at all ?"
Please see reply # 23. ;)
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Hi
Do you (or the person you're researching for), happen to have the death record (printout) for Honora (Honoria) BOSSON ?
~ Lu
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Hi, no i don't, but i will try and find out over the next few days,thanks.
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earlier census's show Thomas's father working in the potteries and his grandfather was a grocer do you have this info?
Hi, yes i have that info thank you very much.
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Found this Christchurch marriage for a HORAN daughter.
22 November 1911 at Catholic Cathedral, ChCh.
Mary Ellen HORAN (28) to Joseph Stanislaus FOLEY
Bride's parents: Owen HORAN (engine driver) and Sarah Theresa (nee CUNNINGHAM)
Witnesses to marriage:
- John Aloysius HORAN, plasterer
- Honoria HORAN - tailoress
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Suggestive that this Honoria is probably the sister of the bride above
hi, i was wondering if there would be any available info on the above Owen Horan and Sarah Theresa Cunningham,sort of come to a standstill with them. I have had some confirmation from another Bosson researcher regarding It being the right Honoria Cecelia (Cissie)Horan who married Thomas Bosson 1916 ChCH NZ. thank you.
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Found this Christchurch marriage for a HORAN daughter.
22 November 1911 at Catholic Cathedral, ChCh.
Mary Ellen HORAN (28) to Joseph Stanislaus FOLEY
Bride's parents: Owen HORAN (engine driver) and Sarah Theresa (nee CUNNINGHAM)
Witnesses to marriage:
- John Aloysius HORAN, plasterer
- Honoria HORAN - tailoress
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Suggestive that this Honoria is probably the sister of the bride above
hi, i was wondering if there would be any available info on the above Owen Horan and Sarah Theresa Cunningham,sort of come to a standstill with them. I have had some confirmation from another Bosson researcher regarding It being the right Honoria Cecelia (Cissie)Horan who married Thomas Bosson 1916 ChCH NZ. thank you.
Hi spacecookie
Mmm ... I was puzzled by what you'd written above re: the marriage of HORAN daughter ... it seemed somehow familiar. :) I can see now though that it was extracted from my posting @ Reply # 27. (Good idea most times, to quote the author). :)
I know you're doing this research for someone else as mentioned earlier, and that that person doesn't wish to pay for information or buy certs. etc. But I think the time has possibly come when the run of "free information" is at an end. ;D
It seems that Owen HORAN and Sarah CUNNINGHAM married in NZ in 1882. Happily NZ marriage records of that date, collected info on birthplaces of bride and groom, their parents names, their father's occupations, etc. etc.
So, for the small price of just $20.40 NZ dollars, a printout of the marriage record can be obtained - (and remember that NZ BDM can email these also).
Personally, I think purchasing this would be invaluable to progressing your friend's search. ;)
I suspect there is an Irish connection with HORAN (and maybe CUNNINGHAM too) - and knowing the difficulty of searching Irish records, every little bit of info from a reliable source (such as the marriage record where bride and groom have supplied the information), will be of help. :)
Good luck.
~ Lu
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Hi, yes thank you for all the help you have given,you have helped us more than enough and very much appreciated,thanks.
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Thank you for this thread.
I was getting nowhere with Ethel BOSSON until I happened by. She married Frank MOULDEY 23 July 1908 (1908/6247), and had at least one surviving child (Stella 1911/19275) and one stillborn (NR 1914/16655). I hadn't found a date of death and had no idea about when or where she was born.
So now I know! Thanks again.
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Hello mdkiwi
... welcome to RootsChat. :)
Perhaps you already have this ?? ... our PapersPast website has the following item on Mrs Frank MOULDEY's involvement in an accident.
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz
"Auckland Star" - 7 February 1914 - page 5 (also reported in other newspapers)
... Mrs Frank MOULDEY, 27 years, of Puni ...
~ Lu
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Found them. No followup though, so she probably recovered. Many thanks.