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On the 28th December 1737, Jonathan Crowther the son of Joseph Crowther, a clothier of Lockwood, was baptized at All Hallows, Almondbury.
At All Hallows on the 29th September 1757, Jonathan Crowther of Lockwood married Sarah Arlum of Lockwood. The subsequent baptism records of the couples children show that Jonathan was also a clothier.
Has anyone any knowledge as to the parentage, marriage, or burial, of the said Joseph Crowther?
If so, would they kindly share that information with me.
The baptist of Jonathan is slightly odd in that there appears to be no connected events; that is, no marriage of Joseph and no siblings for Jonathan.
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Hi,
Source: Huddersfield & District Family History Society, Almondbury All Hallows, Huddersfield, Yorkshire West Riding Burials:-
3rd November 1780, Joseph CROWTHER
12th July 1795, Joseph CROWTHER
No age at death recorded
Victor
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Hi,
There seems to be 2 Joseph Crowthers in Almondbury records who is fathering children in the 1730s and 1740s --- one is from Linthwaite and one from Lockwood.
The one from Lockwood (ie the father of Jonathan) -- had at least 2 other children and probably more;
Mary in 1745
John in 1746
There seems to be a gap between Jonathan's baptism and Mary's. Maybe Jonathan's mother died.
Try looking for a burial of a female Crowther 'wife of Joseph Crowther' after Jonathan's birth. If there is one, it could be your Joseph's wife and then at least you will have her christian name and can better look for a marriage. Remember the couple would probably have married in the wife's parish.
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Crowther Joseph, Almondbury, died 23 December, 1813, 33.
Sarah, his daughter, died 2 March, 1821, 26. Thomas, his son, died 27 March, --
27. Mary, wife of Joseph, died I I July, 1834, 61. John, their son, died
20 August, 1839, 47. Benjamin, their son, died 12 March, 1857, 49
Brian
Crowther Joseph, of Golcar, died October 31, 1780, 63
Crowther Joseph Eli, of Almondbury, died April 14, 1837, 33
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As parentage of a Joseph (the only one)
'22 Aug 1718 Joseph son of Willi Crowther abode (Not given) Occupation (Not Given) in Almondbury Parish (single line entry)'
When abode is not given? it sometimes means the parents of the sibling ! were residing or living in the mother church village of Almondbury
From CD Transcriptions Almondbury baptisms 1703 to 1848 HFHS
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Hi,
Further to Pennines post I've had another look at the burials and can only find the following as possible wife of Joseph:-
12th February 1741, Mary CROWTHER
12th December 1742, Martha CROWTHER
No age at death recorded
Victor
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Many thanks folks for all the input which has all been added to my data base.
I have three Almondbury Josephs in my collection. Joseph baptized 18th August 1721, the son of Joseph a clothier of Hole House, Clough, Linthwaite. (That's two), and Joseph baptized 22nd September 1718 the son of William Crowther of Hole House, Clough (as provided by Dobfam). On the basis of dates, the last mentioned Joseph might have been the Golcar resident buried in 1780 (as provided by 'Calverley Lad'.
Regarding the suggestion by 'Pennines' that Mary (1745) and John (1756) were siblings of Jonathan, there is a slight problem.
There were two Joseph Crowther marriages at Almondbury in 1744. Joseph to Elizabeth Willy on the 24th May, and Joseph Crowther to Elizabeth Balmforth on the 23rd August.
The baptism record of Mary states, "Mary d of Joseph Crowther jun of Lockwood clothier", and is dated 10th February 1744 (Julian calendar) which we would now view as February 1745, about 10 months after the first of the above mentioned marriages. The use of 'jun' to mean junior clearly implies the existence of a senior. I would suggest that these post 1744 baptisms probably relate to nephews and nieces of Jonathan, not siblings.
If anyone can 'shoot a hole' in the above argument, please feel free.
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It does not give the 1721 Joseph on the Almondbury Transcriptions CD from HFHS but found a Josephus son of Gulielmi (William ?) of SL (Slaitwaite ?) 19 April 1711
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Joseph, son of Joseph -
1821 1721, and Joseph, son of William - 1718 are baptised at St James, Slaithwaite with East Scammonden. Joseph, son of Joseph, has a sister, baptised again at St James and a week after Joseph son of William - that is 29 September 1718 and with the same abode. I'm almost positive that the entry for Joseph, son of William states William Crowther Jun. but no occupation for either William or Joseph in 1718.
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Many thanks 'dobfam' and 'BumbleB' for the additional snippets. There does appear to have been a William and William junior as well as a Joseph and Joseph junior.
Although the Crowthers lived at Linthwaite in the Parish of Almondbury, it appears that they baptized their children at St James, Slaithwaite, which I understand (from Genuki) was in the parish of Huddersfield. Presumably this was for reasons of convenience as All Hallows, Almondbury, is some distance from Linthwaite. What puzzles me is that I have noticed that many of the Crowther Slaithwaite baptism entries also appear in the All Hallows records.
From a combination of my research and the information provided, I'm slowly becoming inclined to the view that Joseph Crowther the father of Jonathan was the same Joseph as previously lived at at Hole House, Linthwaite, and who was the father of Joseph (1721). That is, Joseph and family moved to Lockwood some time prior to 1737. I have no evidence that this happened, so, if anyone has evidence which confirms this, suggests otherwise, or casts doubt on this theory, I'd be pleased to have it.
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There is a note in the Register for St James :
"The names of other children baptised from 10 May 1685 until 7 October 1688 may be found in ye Register at Huddersfield and note also that those registered here are there registered also"
I don't know much about St James, but it may possibly be that it is a chapel of ease for a church in Huddersfield. I'm sure that my friend Dobfarm will know the answer ;D ;D
There are certainly a lot of children with father's name Joseph Crowther in the registers :)
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You could try looking at Wills/probate pre 1858 (After checking PR burials for a date too cross ref with the Wills index that can be upto a few years later after the burial date at probate release date) that go back to year dot at Borthwick York university in Hessington near York (one or two libraries may have the Will index aswell) and also try Deeds post 1704 at Wakefield deeds registers at WYAS also earlier stuff if any info survives will be in this link catologue at WYAS
http://catalogue.wyjs.org.uk/advanced.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog
or try the national archive search (A2A) as info for around Huddersfield can be held at other archives like Sheffield, Lichfield , Leigh, Manchester, North Allerton, Barnsley, Rotherham ,Matlock, Beverley, Doncaster, York main Archives (Plus Borthwick) or others
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I've just looked up my "bible" for Yorkshire in general - GENUKI - and Slaithwaite is within the parish of Huddersfield.
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Thanks BumbleB and Dobfam. Regarding wills. Been there, seen it, done it. The only one which might be relevant is the will of Joseph Crowther of Hill Top, Golcar, who died in 1780 aged 63. I might invest in a copy, but I think he was the Joseph baptized in 1718, son of William, and that he spent his life in the Linthwaite/Golcar area. But I could be wrong.
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Oh, wills are very interesting, especially the older ones :) And if you get an inventory, then that's really special - even down to, perhaps, the cheeses in the pantry and the number of sheets!!! How our ancestors lived :o
And if you don't get his will, then you won't get the answer, will you? Go for it ;D ;D
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Almondbury All Hallows was the Mother Church for the area. It is reasonably common for records to be shown twice. Slaithwaite St James is a mere skip down the road from Linthwaite. I wonder if Hole House was what now is known as Hoyle House? Good luck with the search.
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Many thanks 'singingsusie' for your input. Yes, I believe that Hole House and Hoyle House are one and the same. The Slaithwaite baptism records contain many examples of both.
For the benefit of any Crowthers of Almondbury researchers who may read this topic, I believe that the answer to my original question regarding the identity of Joseph Crowther of Lockwood, the father of Jonathan baptized at All Hallows on the 28th December 1737, is that he was the Joseph who had previously lived at Hole House, Linthwaite, and who was the father of a number of children baptized at Slaithwaite between 1718 and 1734 (wife's name unknown).
This conclusion is based on the fact that I have been unable to find any evidence of a viable alternative. If there are any Crowther researchers out there who have any evidence that suggests otherwise, please contact me.