RootsChat.Com
Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cavan => Topic started by: corblimey on Wednesday 22 January 14 09:42 GMT (UK)
-
I am looking for help with finding the McManus family of Cavan. What I have is JOHN McMANUS born Cavan around 1746. He was in the military and served in the USA where he was wounded and returned to the UK. He became a Chelsea Pensioner stationed at Fort George, near Inverness, Scotland. He married Margaret Ruddoch/Riddoch who was from Petty, near Inverness, and had a son, John McManus born Ardersier, near Inverness in 1798.
John and his family moved to Elgin where he died. His son, John McManus, married Margaret Murdoch, settled in Elgin and had a family.
I would like to find out more about John's family in Cavan but not sure where to start.
Can anyone help please?
-
You could have a look at the Flax growers list
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.failteromhat.com%2Fflax%2Fcavan.htm&ei=857hUrXDEI_o7AaYhoCoBw&usg=AFQjCNFT7xWVVbmb_VwG9asWrI66efQEnQ&bvm=bv.59930103,d.ZGU
as a start to see whereabouts in Cavan he might be from.
-
There's a john Mcmanus in castlerahan :-)
-
Not suggesting that's him by the way, he would have been gone by then, most probably, but it could be a relative. there are a few McManus', do you know any more names, brothers maybe?
-
Hello Neli
Many thanks for your response. I will check the flax growers list. I have little on him and no idea of brothers and sisters. Only his army record and later census returns in Elgin. They don't mention brothers, sisters or parents. I will have another look at them in case I have missed something. His army records say he was born in Kilmore, Cavan. There was another McManus, Patrick McManus who also served in the army from Cavan. Perhaps a link there.
-
Hi.
It's probable a long shot, but there's a McManus family from Derrylin, just over the border in Fermanagh. A band that was known as the mama's boys, were 3 brothers. One of them now has his own band, The Pat McManus Band. Great Guitar player. easy to find on google.
DC.
-
Hi,
I think I can help a little.
John McManus born 9 Sep 1799 in Ardersier married Margaret Murdoch in 1817 in Elgin Scotland. They had at least 11 children, one of which was my gggrandfather John McManus born in 9 Jan 1823.
Looking at the Scotish census records, the family is in Scotland in 1841, but they are nowhere to be seen in 1851 or thereafter. Therefore I believe they immigrated to Ireland because my ggrandmother Geraldine Bridget McManus, born 8 August 1859, testified she was born in Ireland in USA marriage records. Her mother was Elizabeth Flanagan. I haven't been able to detect where in Ireland John and Margaret immigrated to in Ireland, but I believe John and Elizabeth died in Aughindaigh, near Derrylin. FYI, the family, from John born in 1799, etc., were members of the Church of Scotland.
-
...but I believe John and Elizabeth died in Aughindaigh, near Derrylin.
Is this the death record for your gt gt grandfather ?
14 November 1876 - Derrylin R.D.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1876/020565/7216659.pdf
-
Sorry to take so long to respond.
Yes, this is the death record that I found that I believe may be my gggrandfather John McManus. In further research I found the death record of Elizabeth McManus (maybe Flanagan?) in 23 Dec 1895, a widow, age 68, also in Aughindaigh, near Derrylin. Her death record said her husband's name was John (McManus.)
I wasn't able to find her death record in IrishGenealogy.ie. I found it in GRONI.
Do you have information on these two people?
-
................
I wasn't able to find her death record in IrishGenealogy.ie. I found it in GRONI.
Do you have information on these two people?
Death record for Elizabeth McManus (transcribed as McManamon on IrishGenealogy)-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1895/05914/4678772.pdf
-
Death record for Elizabeth McManus (transcribed as McManamon on IrishGenealogy)-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1895/05914/4678772.pdf
The informant was her son F McManus of Aghindaiagh.
Maybe he and his family in 1901 census.
House 12 in Aghindaiagh (Springtown, Fermanagh).
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Fermanagh/Springtown/Aghindaiagh/1357885/
https://www.townlands.ie/fermanagh/knockninny/kinawley/springtown/aghindaiagh/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2925125#map=13/54.19328/-7.63601
-
Thank you. It matches up with the information I retrieved on GRONI, and good to have a copy of the 'original' record. I looked at the 1901/1911 census data for Frank McManus, which is 'probably' the same Frank in the death records for John and Elizabeth McManus. I noticed there was a Hugh McManus living in the building next door. In Hugh's 1903 death record, Frank testified he was Hugh's nephew. So the Hugh and John McManus in Aughindaigh were brothers.
While much of this seems a good fit to be my gggrandparents John and Elizabeth, I cannot be 100% sure until I can locate a record which has her maiden surname Flanigan. I am going to begin looking at the on-line Catholic records in the area for a marriage record. //I remember my grandfather telling me his family went back and forth between be Catholic and Protestant.// So if I can't find a Catholic record, I'd like to check the Church of Ireland records but don't believe there is anything on-line right now. Also, if I could determine where they are buried, perhaps I can write to that church to see if there are any records of interest.
All the above said, I want to thank you again, for following up on my previous posts.
Mike
-
Hi Mike,
Just adding a link for the 1903 death of Hugh-
In Hugh's 1903 death record, Frank testified he was Hugh's nephew. So the Hugh and John McManus in Aughindaigh were brothers.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1903/05661/4593841.pdf
Francis McManus was the informant.
-
The surnames are hardly uncommon so maybe just a coincidence, but for what it's worth, note the following baptism of a Mary McManus on 29 May 1845 in Templeport RC parish, parents recorded as John McManus and Eliza Flanagan, the sponsors were John O'Hara and Brigid Flanagan, the address was Bonebrook, which is a.k.a. the townland of Drumlaydan:
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634896?locale=en#page/36/mode/1up (right page, about quarter way down)
Drumlaydan:
https://www.townlands.ie/cavan/tullyhaw/templeport/ballymagauran/drumlaydan/
-
What prompted you to check out Templeport? Wow!! The names John McManus and Elizabeth (Biddy, Eliza, etc.) Flanagan are not uncommon...but nowhere (maybe only once) in 'many' searches in many different databases have I seen any McManus - Flanagan unions. Also I find it interesting that one of the sponsors was Bridgit Flanagan...my ggrandmother is Geraldine 'Bridgit' McManus. Therefore your find is very exciting and I appreciate it. Now I will BEGIN my search of the Catholic records at Templeport to see if I can find more records to develop this family. Thanks again!! Mike
-
Templeport is in the diocese of Kilmore covering bits of several counties, but in the right general vicinity for the geographic context mentioned thus far.
However, be aware that there was a couple called John McManus and Elizabeth Doonan having children at Aghindaiagh in the 1860s. Here are the civil and baptismal records for a couple of them by way of example:
- Alice born in 1865:
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1865/03571/2315966.pdf
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634880#page/47/mode/1up (top of page)
- Patrick born in 1869:
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1869/03371/2235886.pdf
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634880#page/73/mode/1up (4th entry down)
Apologies if this turns out to be a spanner in the works.
-
In a previous post I wrote, "I think I can help a little.
John McManus born 9 Sep 1799 in Ardersier married Margaret Murdoch in 1817 in Elgin Scotland. They had at least 11 children, one of which was my gggrandfather John McManus born in 9 Jan 1823.
Looking at the Scotish census records, the family is in Scotland in 1841, but they are nowhere to be seen in 1851 or thereafter. Therefore I believe they immigrated to Ireland because my ggrandmother Geraldine Bridget McManus, born 8 August 1859, testified she was born in Ireland in USA marriage records. Her mother was Elizabeth Flanagan. I haven't been able to detect where in Ireland John and Margaret immigrated to in Ireland, but I believe John and Elizabeth died in Aughindaigh, near Derrylin. FYI, the family, from John born in 1799, etc., were members of the Church of Scotland."
I now believe the McManus family in Aughindaigh is NOT connected to this Scottish McManis family who lived in Elgin. But I still believe they immigrated to Ireland sometime after 1841.
In follow up research, there is a McManus family living in the Drumlaydan-Tullybrack area which MAY POSSIBLY be the family I believe immigrated to Ireland from Elgin Scotland.