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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Kent => Topic started by: OzJen on Sunday 19 January 14 11:27 GMT (UK)
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Please excuse this somewhat different request.
Does anyone on this list live near the church of St. Clement in Old Romney?
Or - is there a collection of individual gravestone photos from this churchyard which can be accessed?
I have discovered that there are 3 headstones in the churchyard for members of the Dowle family and we would love to obtain photos of these, please. ;D
We are in Australia and have no chance of visiting Kent in the foreseeable future.
Can anyone help, please?
Inscriptions for the 3 headstones are recorded at http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Libr/MIs/MIsOldRomney/01.htm and they are entries #40, 41 and 42.
Hopefully, ???
OzJen
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Hi there OzJen.
Unless someone can manage it sooner, I should be able to be able to get to Old Romney in the near future (you know, work, weather and other distractions tend to get in the way!)
However, judging from the dates, and assuming the gravestones still exist, there is a strong chance that they may be badly worn and almost illegible. Let's hope for the best.
Watch this space.
Regards,
Scobie
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Thanks so much, Scobie. We're just really interested to see what we can see and will appreciate whatever can be done.
Cheers,
OzJen
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Hi OzJen,
Are you aware of Old Romney Parish Record Burial for.
John Dowle . 1st December 1829. Age at Death 63. CDoB 1766 .Abode Dymchurch.
Source - East Kent Burial Index.
These are just a few of the many Dowle Marriages at Old and New Romney. There are many many more in and arround the Romney Marsh Area parishes .
1762 02 November DOWLE John Ann Shearwen Old Romney Romney Marsh
1763 24 May DOWLE Abraham Mary Sherwood Old Romney Romney Marsh
1764 11 September DOWLE James Ann Hoare New Romney Romney Marsh
1768 07 July DOWLE Thomas Hannah Cooper New Romney Romney Marsh
1800 08 April DOWLE James Mary Hunt Old Romney Romney Marsh
1807 18 October DOWLE Susannah James Adams Old Romney Romney Marsh
Source - Mid Kent Marriage Index.
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Thanks for adding this information, grandarog - not sure about the John Dowle of cDoB 1766 - will have to go back to see where he may fit. Some of the others in the listing you gave are certainly ours!
Thanks for helping!
OzJen
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Hello again OzJen.
I have the photographs that you requested. If you would like to P.M. an email address to which I can send them, I will get them to you as soon as possible.
Regards,
Scobie
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HI
Randomly came across your message( and this site) when trying to find my great aunts' bungalow in Old Romney... the bungalow was called BERWIL named after the parents of my two unmarried great Aunts ( sisters) Amelia and Florence Dowle.-- ie Bertha and William Dowle.
Amelia and Florence's sister was Elsie May Dowle married David Ernest Moore of Brenzett ( very near Old Romney) their middle child, Avis, was my mother. I was very close to my maiden Aunts and spent much time as a child and teenager staying with them in the holidays at Berwil.
Bertha and William Dowle are buried in St Clements churchyard ( not sure about Amelia and Florence .. they may have been cremated) I spent quite a lot of time helping Aunt Flo and Aunt Millie in the church and helping to keep the gravestones of William and Bertha ( and possibly other relatives)
Amelia died in her sixties and Florence continued to live at Berwil until she had a stroke ( I think in her eighties) She went into a nursing home where the owners persuaded her to sign over her home, contents ( and a large field) to them on condition they stayed in it to look after her until she died! She did come home but didn't live long and that was the last my mother as her only Godchild saw of the house, land and contents. Long story.. I have been unable to find Berwil .. but that is because it has at some time, perhaps quite a long time ago, been sold along with the land and houses have been built on the site.. it is at least called Dowle Close.
I have some info re dates of birth etc of these Dowles ( as they only had three girls the Dowle line there has stopped but there are a lot of relatives through Elsie May( my beloved Grandma)
William and Bertha lived in the Manor House in Old Romney which I have found sold, I think, in the last year or two so there are photos about on Zoopla etc of this house as it is now etc. I used to think it was their house but recently have begun to think that they probably rented it- it may have been a tied rental as I believe William was in agriculture. When they died Berwil was built for Amelia and Florence- it was a modest three bedroom bungalow.
I'll not say more now as this may not be of interest to you as am not sure .. if these are the Dowles that you are interested in.
it would be good to hear that I have other Dowle relations?
Best Wishes
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Hi Marsh Maid,
What a fascinating post! I'm not sure if these Dowles are part of the line I'm chasing, but I will certainly look into it very carefully. Thank you so much for sharing such an interesting story - I will start investigating!
Regards,
OzJen
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Hi, I will look up the dates and see if I have anything else.. and, looking at the thread, see if any of the names mentioned by someone else in your thread have a connection to "my" Old Romney Dowles.
I have a few family photos with some Dowles in which I would need to find and scan at some point - as an aging computer illiterate I can't do it immediately! Would they be of interest to you maybe at some point...? let me know anytime and I'll get onto it.
(I do have quite a lot of family tree back to 1700 for my grandfather's line (he married Elsie May Dowle ) but I imagine that is one step too far removed for you.)
Best wishes
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Hello again,
Thanks, that would be very useful in trying to work out any links. I actually have ours back to a similar time, which is very exciting! Given that both families are in Old Romney, there has to be some sort of link!
If you'd like to send me a personal message, we can swap notes and see if we can find the connection.
Cheers,
OzJen
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Hi again
just finding my way round this site-- it appears I can only use the Personal message facility if, as a new member, I have posted 3 times .. so this is the third time so guess I can do it now. All a bit new to me .. I don't even do facebook! think I would get addicted and waste too much precious time.. I'll save that til I am completely immobile.
looked at your link in your first post re the headstones but am surprised no ref to William or Bertha my great grandparents who must have died before the nineteen fifties as I am certain of my memories of tending headstones with my great aunts in St Clements.. I remember the inside of the church very well too.The fact that some of the Doctor Syn movie had been made in the church and the area was high on the excitement list!
I'll try to see how I can PM you later tonight.
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Hi did you get my PM or have I not got it right!
I'll have another go this week. :)
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Sorry, no - nothing's turned up. :(
I've just sent you one so you can reply to it. ;D
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Any relation to William Dowle (1675-1719) or his daughter Dorothy Dowle ( - 1777) who married Daniel Jenkins?
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There is a baptism for a Dorothy DOWLE plus her twin, Elizabeth, on 13th November 1715 at Lydd, Kent daughter of William and Dorothy.
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Thank you, every little bit of info helps. I've just traced William Dowle (1675 - 1719) line back to John Mauntell, born 1385. Never thought I will be able to go this far back.
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Yes, it is the same William Dowle, Almare. He was my husband's 7g-uncle.
Wow! I'm a bit 'blown away' by the 1385 date you mention :o - I have an Alice MANTELL, who was William's mother, but I haven't picked up a John MAUNTELL, so far ... ??? Is this the line you are taking about, please? Getting back that far is amazing!
Thanks for the lead on the twin, Bearkat - I suspected that could have been the case. :)
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Hi OzJen
I've now traced the Dowle line of my tree back to some interesting characters. The last Mantell (Mauntell) I can trace is Tristinus Mantel (1026 - ?). Then I have Kenneth I MacAlpin Cinead King of Scotland (0810-0859) and Annun Ddu King of Greece (0210 - ?). I've found www.fabpedigree.com very interesting, although it is clearly stated on the site that the information should not be treated as authoritative.
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Hi, I'm new to Rootschat and have host come across this forum. I am also descended from the Dowle family of NewRomney and Lydd.
My great grandfather was Henry lepper Dowle and his father was John Dowle who married Elizabeth Barling Lepper.
I have traced the family back to John Dowle and Ann Shearwen, but I get quite confused here. Somehow, seem to keep getting mixed up with the Dowle family of Dover. Does anyone know if the two families are connected?
I would be very grateful if anyone has any more information about the Dowles.
Thank you
Tracey
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Hi Tracey,
Unfortunately I don't think I can help you, so far. I don't have either of those people in my tree, however I have seen the names and I wouldn't be surprised if they are related to mine somewhere, especially give the places they came from!
I'll keep digging, you never know. In the meantime, good luck with your search!
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Tracey
My ancestor is also John Dowle. My original researches came to the same conclusion that he was the grandson of John Dowle and Ann Shearwin through their son Abraham Dowle and Ann Stevens. There is an error in the Parish register for Lydd. In fact John born 1806 was the son of another Abraham and Mary Beaney. I proved this using the midwife's records and matching them with the parish registers. I have researched this line back to James Dowle who died in 1686.
David
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Hello David EB,
I'd appreciate your correct info about John Dowle of 1806 - 1864. Father of Mary Elizabeth Dowle (1832 - 1929). She is my GG GM. I had his father down as Thomas, and his father as Abraham Dowle/Dowell married to Mary Sherwood. Abraham's father as Abraham married to Susannah Grey.
also anything on the mother's side of course!
Many Thanks
Julian
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Julian
John Dowle b1806
son of Abraham Dowle b.1769 = Mary Beaney
son of Abraham Dowle b. 1739 = Mary Sharwood
son of Abraham Dowle b.1708 = Susannah Grey
son of William Dowle b. 1675 = Elizabeth Marketman
son of James Dowle b. 1626 = Alice Mantell
son of John Dowle b. 1590 = Jane Biggs
son of Abraham?? Dowle
Mary Sharwood b. 1740 to Thomas Sharwood and Mary Marten
Alice Mantell's father, Matthew, is noted in the Kent Visitation of 1619.
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Many thanks for that info! Any more details welcomed. I have replaced my erroneous data!
Cheers
Julian
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I have 8 children listed for John Dowle b 1806
Eldest is my GG GM Mary Elizabeth
I also have some info on some of the other 7 siblings
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Julian
I have two earlier children, John and William born 1829 and 1830. Neither survived infancy.
I have Mary Elizabeth's baptism, but no further information on marriage etc.
Most of the other siblings I have details of spouses and children.
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Have you researched John's wife Elizabeth Barling Lepper's line? Her father, Henry Lepper, was quite an interesting character.
David
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Hi David and Julian,
I've just found your postings (very late - I know!). I have some different information and I'm curious to know where I've gone wrong, because all this *seemed* to fit together. Some of this list agrees with David's and some doesn't. ???
I have:
Peter Dowle b. 1806 = Charlotte Boots & then Eliza Evans
son of James Dowle b. 1777 = Mary Hunt
son of James Dowle b. 1741 = Anne Woodman
son of Abraham Dowle b. 1704 = Susanna (Susan) Grey
son of Abraham Dowle b. 1673 = Agnes Hall
son of James Dowle b. 1635 = Alice Mantell
son of James Dowle b. 1590 = Jane Bigges/Biggs
son of Abraham ?? Dowle
I have William Dowle b. 1675 = Elizabeth Marketman as uncle and aunt to Abraham b. 1704
Any information will be gratefully received!
For now,
OzJen
From DavidEB:
John Dowle b1806
son of Abraham Dowle b.1769 = Mary Beaney
son of Abraham Dowle b. 1739 = Mary Sharwood
son of Abraham Dowle b.1708 = Susannah Grey
son of William Dowle b. 1675 = Elizabeth Marketman
son of James Dowle b. 1626 = Alice Mantell
son of John Dowle b. 1590 = Jane Biggs
son of Abraham?? Dowle
Mary Sharwood b. 1740 to Thomas Sharwood and Mary Marten
Alice Mantell's father, Matthew, is noted in the Kent Visitation of 1619.
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Hi OzGen
Thank you for your interest. It is some years since I researched this line in detail and having just got back from holiday I will need a little time to review how I came to the decision I did. I think the only issue we differ on is the parents of Abraham Dowle who married Susanna Grey.
There were too many Abrahams!
Regards
DavidEB
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Thanks, David.
You are right about the over-supply of Abrahams! They seemed to favour certain names in every generation and so it does get very confusing.
I hope you've had a lovely holiday. I will be interested to see anything you post when you get a chance to review.
Take care,
OzJen
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Hi OzJen
I have looked at my records and this was my thinking.
Abraham Dowle, b. 1673, and Agnes Hall had two sons named Abraham Dowle baptized in Old Romney in 1702 and 1704. There are corresponding burials in Old Romney for Abraham sons of Abraham and Agnes.
The Abraham, son of Abraham and Elizabeth (Marketman), was baptized in Lydd in 1708 and there is no corresponding infant burial for Abraham. So, I concluded that the Abraham who married Susannah Grey was the son of William Dowle and Elizabeth Marketman.
Incidentally the Marketmans were a prestigious family and descended from the Stroughills who were also big in Lydd.
I happened to visit Old Romney back in April and took photos of the three Dowle gravestones under the ancient Yew tree. You can still read the inscriptions. Did you manage to get photos you requested a while back?
David
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Thank you, David.
I will go through my information over the next couple of days and send back. We currently have extremely limited Internet access so I will have to wait for that to improve.
I would be grateful to receive copies of your photos, if possible, please - especially if the inscriptions can still be read. That's amazing, given their age!
For now,
OzJen
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The gravestones have been transcribed here
https://kentarchaeology.org.uk/research/monumental-inscriptions/old-romney
The DOWLL(E) graves are numbers 41 and 42.