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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: biz on Saturday 18 January 14 21:17 GMT (UK)
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M.O.D
are looking for relatives of the following 4 after a body of a soldier was found in a garden
so please help to get him identified and buried
WILLIAM CHARLES HAYNES of Aylesbury in Buckinghamshire
CHARLES CROKE HARPER of Buckinghamshire
STANLEY ASHMAN of Weston Super Mare his parents Alf and Annie of Radstock
JOHN LEGGE BULMER of Filey Yorkshire
all 4 killed 3/5/1917
FOR MORE INFO PLEASE FOLLOW LINK
http:/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25779830
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regarding >
Stanley Ashman ... he married Minna [Minnie] Lamb in 1910
Marriages Dec 1910 Ashman; Stanley & Lamb Minna Bath 5c 1263
there twas a 1911 for that but cannot post here ...... maybe someone can track Minnie Ashman nee Lamb....... she may have remarried .... just a thought
there is a minnie ashman marrying in Axbridge in 1923 to Culling but cannot be affirmed as to whether same soul
not confirmed but there may have been two children to the airmans marriage >
Births Dec 1911 Eileen C M Ashman [ Lamb]registered at Clutton 5c 812
Births Jun 1914 Douglas S ASHMAN [ Lamb] registered at Clutton 5c 806*****
so given that , she may have remarried after raising the children on her own.....
also those two children would now be dead but there could be marriages for them with offspring
Douglas married Sheila C Birrell [registered Marriage Jun quarter 1940 Fulham 1a949]
there were 2 children off that marriage born in Somerset but they may be still alive...they are listed on bmduk {Michael D & Wendy D born Weston Somerset }
Eileen C M married a Mr Claudius J Merrick registered at Axbridge Marriages Dec 1934 5c 1109
there were two children from that marriage sighted [Merrick / Ashman ] and cos of the years born 1937 and 1951 I cannot put up Shirley and Michaels details at Weston, Somerset...again on bmd
***** the article was stating the son may be deceased but the way the article read it seemed to me that they werent sure.........but he would be a ripe 100 year old if he was so maybe a death cert ref needs to be found to confirm....again I use the quote >>>>
"""Lt Stanley Ashman was the son of Alfred and Annie Ashman of South Field, Radstock and had five brothers.
It is understood he lived with his wife Minnie and son in Moorland Road, Weston, and his son may have died in 1991."""
according to earlier census he, the airman, had sibs>
Alfred Ashman 19
Ernest Ashman 16
Stanley Ashman 13< the airman
Frank Ashman 10
George Ashman 8
Bert Ashman 3
Wilfrid Ashman 1
Wilfred Ashman died aged 60 Dec 1960 Salisbury Wiltshire 7c 544
so he would have married and had offspring....
and as i suspected>
he married Gladys Clara Gooding 3rd quarter of 1925 Clutton Somerset 5c1038
yes there was one child"
Ashman James W Gooding Salisbury Births Jun 1939 5a 208
he married Bideford in 1963..... cannot post here but is on freebmduk
he can be found still in Bideford with Margaret as of 2012 [source 192] again cannot post living souls on rc
so there is a few possibles of airmans family found
there was also a younger sister Violet of the airman
next thought............ talk to treetective of rootschat he does aircrashes website
ps the link to the story is not highlighted blue and does not work for me in Australia ...soz
ps I am watching this post with great interest and have made a copy if the moderators feel i mention anything against rc living souls policy.. however in this case of rc finding missing ww families i dont think they will mind if we get a result.......
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re > John Legge Bulmer
only picking up a birth cert entry >
registered Dec 1894 at York 9d27 with no marriage sighted......
having just read article I am adding quote >
"""John Legge Bulmer was a 2nd Lt in the 4th battalion attached to the 5th.
The son of the Rev Edward and Elizabeth Bulmer of Brooklands, Filey, he had four brothers and a sister, Edward, Philip, Charles, Reginald and Frances."""
just in case that yields anything...... but i couldnt find a census to get any furthering info.....
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Charles Croke Harper listed as Births Jun 1879 registered Erpingham 4b71
son of Edward James Harper & Frances Wetherel Harper
had elder sibs >
Francis Strachey Harper [8]
Grace Wetherell Harper [6]
Margrate Harper [5]
Mabel Sophia Harper [4]
Lionel Edward Harper [ 3]
according to 81 census
by 1901 he was a boarder working as an accountant .... cant see much else but someone may be able to track sibs and offspring soz
the article to quote stated >>> """Born in 1880, he was the son of the Rev E J and Frances Wetherall Harper of Broughton Rectory, Newport Pagnell, and had two brothers, Francis and Lionel and four sisters, Margaret, Mabel, Constance and Grace"""" so I am happy to confirm the census above was correct ..... so it is these children we need to track.....
there was the following but I didnt see anything further for this sib>
Marriages for September quarter of 1907 ; Francis Strachey Harper & Queenie Duvall registered Marylebone 1a1311
the only confirmed cert ref I could find was the birth Grace Wetherell for September quarter 1874 at Cranbrook 2a644
Lionel Edward Harper registered at Erpingham[4b61]for June quarter of 1878 and there are a couple of marriage possibles there...one to Hilda Douglas in 1923, and one in 1933 to Mabel VC Godfrey but that may not yielding of a child for Lionel cos of his age...... and I am not seeing a death cert ref there either but it would have to be before 1978 .....
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re the last chap>
William Charles HAYNES
listed as Births of December quarter of 1888 registered at Aylesbury 3a 686
as of 1901 census family still at Aylesbury
Henry Haynes 43 father
Elizabeth Haynes 43 mother
James Haynes 18
Agnes Sarah Haynes 14
William Chas Haynes 12
Florence Samuel Haynes 8
Horace Haynes 6
Carrie Evelyn Haynes 5
so there are a few sibs that can be traced on this one and someone may care to do that as I have to go....... got errands to run
hope all this helps the cause and good luck....
fusion :)
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have just read the article..... seems I am on the right track with the material...... :)
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re > John Legge Bulmer
only picking up a birth cert entry >
registered Dec 1894 at York 9d27 with no marriage sighted......
having just read article I am adding quote >
"""John Legge Bulmer was a 2nd Lt in the 4th battalion attached to the 5th.
The son of the Rev Edward and Elizabeth Bulmer of Brooklands, Filey, he had four brothers and a sister, Edward, Philip, Charles, Reginald and Frances."""
just in case that yields anything...... but i couldnt find a census to get any furthering info.....
There is a Bulmer residing in Filey North Yorkshire according to my 2003/5 Electoral rolls, it would
have been nice to also find a Legge in the same location.
What are we supposed to do with the information if we have any.
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saddles I suppose we can only send it to biz at the moment via pm............. or put a comment on the newspaper article itself
another thought crossed my mind on this and that was to check if there were in fact any members of anc doing trees , and if parts were private then someone from rc should send a pm to those tree owners giving them the opportunity to respond to the journalist or MOD themselves... but without a file representative mentioned I guess the journo would be the one, so they get the followup scoop
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You could always try popping an advert in the local papers?
Yorkshire Post
Yorkshire Evening Post and
The Filey and Hunmanby Mercury
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Hello Everyone
Thank you ,for your intrest and help
with regards to loacal papers ,we have just e-mailed them so we can be hopeful¬¬
there are a few friends who are on Ancestry ,who are at this very moment sending out e-mails to any possible relatives of the 4
GenesReunited members are doing the same.
But please may I say that if there was any possibility that one of these 4 would be my relative ,then I would not mind how many e-mails or prompts I recieved so with that in mind if anyone would like to contact any living relatives ,stating the link to the bbc
I would be most greatful
Kindest Regards to everyone
Biz
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biz....... since you put up the post.... it may be important that anyone has can shed light beyond what i have given send it to you and you follow up the material ie cert references so that after a week or so you can put an article up on the journos page... or maybe put up this convo link from rootschat so he knows that there is a convo going on...... rootschatters can find the owners of teddy bears in airports and lawd knows who we as a collective have found over the years........
:)
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regarding my reply 3 > Harper airman.....
"Harper; Mabel Sophi[ae]" registered as Births September quarter of 1876 at Erpingham [4b69]
and it looks to me she dies a spinster listed as
December quarter of 1954 Harper; Mabel S. aged 78 registered Brighton[ 5h45]
but that would need to be confirmed
so there may not be any leads there unless there was a probate reference......
the next child in that family was as follows>
Marjorie Harper [ Erpingham 4b74]of registered Births Jun 1893 dies in the
June quarter of 1909 aged 13years [Erpingham 4b50]
so there wont be any leads on that person.... God rest them
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update>>>>>>>>*****
I just had a look at the image of that Haynes family ... cos I was having difficulty locating some cert refs>>>>
It should read
Henry
Elizabeth
James
Agnes Sarah
William Chas < airman
Florence Sussanah
Horace
& Connie ...............
so the first cert on the search is >
Births June quarter of 1892 for Haynes; Florence Susannah registered at Aylesbury 3a740,
uuummmm there are 4 potential marriages for Florence S marrying between 1913 and 1917 , and without prs I cannot prove any were this soul but it would be worth investigating.
Connie Eveline Haynes born in 1896 registered at Aylesbury died age 67 registered at Uxbridge in the Dec quarter of 1963..
Maybe there is a probate reference for her which indicates family.....
And it looks like she also was spinster.
And the of this March quarter of 1894 Haynes ;Horace registered at Aylesbury [ 3a756]
Marriages Dec 1920 Haynes; Horace to a Miss [UNKNOWN] Bell registered at Aylesbury[3a2319]
Miss [UNKNOWN] Bell
but that marriage produced a few children........ they are registered at Aylesbury.........
cos they may be living I will not give the names
and of Peter there is a few marriages open for option of kin of the airman, but again without prs there is no way of knowing
Daphne could have married but it wouldnt have been until at least 1945/6 but I am not seeing anything......
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Stanley Ashman is my (Frank Ashman) brother
My nan is still alive - (Mod Comment:name removed as per rootschat policy on living persons) if this of any help
His Children are both dead.
Eileen Catherine Minna Ashman -1911 – 1992 - I think she had a son with her first husband
Douglas Stanley Ashman - 1914 – 1991 - no record of marriage or kids
Let me know if you require any further data to validate this.
I also have photos of Stanley in his army attire and a copy of the church paper for his funeral.
Dan Howard
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I have decided to pm Daniel Ashman
regards
Biz
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Daniel...welcome to rootschat....... to recieve and use the personal message system could you just put up two more posts ...whether u talk about the family or the weather does not matter but for us to talk to you u need to get over the small hurdle of rootschat .......... good on ya for coming forward and hope you can reunite at least of the servicemen...
fastfusion :)
Daniel........ the search I did on Douglas was quite thorough and to requote what I found could you look into that please.....? >
""""Births Jun 1914 Douglas S ASHMAN [ Lamb] registered at Clutton 5c 806*****
so given that , she may have remarried after raising the children on her own.....
also those two children would now be dead but there could be marriages for them with offspring
Douglas married Sheila C Birrell [registered Marriage Jun quarter 1940 Fulham 1a949]
there were 2 children off that marriage born in Somerset and they may be still alive
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update on Lionel Harper>
Lionel Edward Harper born 22nd March 1878 has his death registered in March quarter of 1970 aged 92 at Sittingbourne in Kent [5f1984]......
maybe the death certificate itself would give the imformant and if there is any kin from that......
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HELLO ALL
Some useful information coming up here but...
Please can everyone remember that it is against Rootschat Policy to post information (even partial information which could lead to identification) about anyone who is still living, or may still be living - even if that information is available in the public domain eg FreeBMD etc.
Thanks
Milly (Moderator)
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no probs milly :) tis a difficult one.......
I cant do much more on this post and I suggest any info be forwarded direct to biz now.....
I hope the remains are reunited with their kin ....... good luck all
fusion
:)
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For Fast
Thank you
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I have Ancestry and GenesReunited and Find My Past
Does anyone here have acess to these ,just a thought and may take the workload off me a little bit
If so could they find me a link and possibly pm me if they do =to any living person
Thank you
1901 transcribes John(Lezze) Bulmer
Edward Bulmer...head of household...56
Elizabeth Bulmer ..wife...42
Edward Bulmer...son......14
Francis Elizabeth Bulmer...d....13
Philip Henry Bulmer....s....12
Charles Regis Bulmer...s...1
**in 1911 another son found with family Reginald Potter born York aged 9 yrs
***FAMILY AT 6 PARK ST -THE MOUNT-YORK
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Sorry for mentioning details about my Nan (Stanley's niece), I was unaware of the strict details here.
If anyone is interested in Stanley Ashman then feel free to message me, after further conversation with my Nan last night she confirmed what my research had already told me that Minna did marry again. I have names and dates for all of this and we have tracked this down to children that may still be alive - no idea where they are though.
Dan Howard
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Sorry for mentioning details about my Nan (Stanley's niece), I was unaware of the strict details here.
If anyone is interested in Stanley Ashman then feel free to message me, after further conversation with my Nan last night she confirmed what my research had already told me that Minna did marry again. I have names and dates for all of this and we have tracked this down to children that may still be alive - no idea where they are though.
Dan Howard
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========== LATEST UPDATE==========
I have some wonderful news,the lady at the MOD has been in touch,and has informed me that at this very moment they are now in touch with the relatives of the soldiers,she will keep me informed,and I in turn will keep you our wonderful researchers/helpers informed of the new developments
but for now I want to say thank you and well done
Biz x
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thats excellent news .....
:)
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Biz, I am a reporter for the Weston Mercury newspaper and have been contacted by a relative of Stanley Ashman. She has tried to call the MoD today but they don't know who she should be contacting there.
Clearly from your last post you do and I wondered if you could help me tell her who she should be calling? It would be horrible for her to think it might be her grandfather but never know because she can't find the right department to talk to.
Any help would be much appreciated.
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Hi will do but have tried to pm you and have realised that you need to make 3 posts on here before I can do that
the contact at the MOD has asked me not to post their direct contact deatails on here so to p.m you will be the only way
so heres what I suggest
you need 2 more posts
send a post to THIS thread saying Hello in both of them
that will allow me to p.m you
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Thanks Biz
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Hopefully PM now works!