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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: portybelle on Thursday 16 January 14 19:11 GMT (UK)
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I wonder if anyone can help me with these two great great aunts? I have quite a few questions about them.
Eliza Jane Cameron born 1878, Leith, Edinburgh
Helen (or Nelly) Cameron b 1886, Leith, Edinburgh
I know they both ended up in Canada and would like to know if possible when they emigrated. Helen married Andrew Lawson in 1913 in Leith so presumably it was after that.
I believe that Eliza Jane travelled with her nephews after both their parents had died, possibly around 1920. They would have the surname Fordie. I presume she went to stay with her sister.
Any other info such as did Eliza Jane marry, any children Helen and Andrew had, where in Canada they lived and any death dates would be fantastic but maybe not available.
Many thanks for any help.
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Eliza Jane Cameron (aged 39 years - waitress) appears on a Canadian Passenger List - 6 Jan 1920 - Columbia - Glasgow to New York. Archibald Fordie (aged 11 years) and William Fordie (aged 7 years)
There was a UK Return Passenger List - 22 July 1923 for Eliza Jane Cameron - aged 45 years. Montreal to Glasgow. Going to 3 Speirs Place. Leith. Threadmaker.
UK Outward Passenger List - Eliza J Cameron - aged 44 years - tourist - 12 October 1923 - Glasgow to Quebec on the Athenia. Wm Cameron aged 12 also travelling
Sandra
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Yes that's her - 3 Speirs Place was the family home right up until the 1980s! So looks like she may have taken the nephews to live there but came back herself. The William she was with would be one of her many nephews - so many with the same name...
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Canada Oceans Arrivals Form (30A) - Eliza F Cameron born Edinburgh - Port of departure Toronto arrival Quebec. Date of Arrival 21 Oct 1923 - Athenia. Destined to sister Mrs Nellie Lawson., 10 Guestholme ?? Ave. Toronto. Had previously lived in Canada at the same address. Nearest relative country from whence came :- Alexander Cameron 3 Spiers Place. Leith.
Sandra
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Canada Arrivals Form 30 A for William Fordie (1911 Leith) 21 October 1923 - going to the same address as above and names Alexander Cameron as nearest relative.
UK Incoming for William Fordie born 1911 aged 12 years - 22 July 1923 - Montreal - Glasgow on the Cassandra. Going to 3 Spier Place. Leith.
Eliza Cameron, William and Archibald Fordie appear UK Outward - 27 December 1919 - Glasgow to New York on the Columbia.
Sandra
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The birth date doesn't look quite right for Nellie, but could this be Andrew and Nellie Lawson with sons Frank and William on the 1921 Census?:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xlx/
sami
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Thank you both for that info. Amazing how much to-ing and fro-ing they did in those days. Yes despite the age being wrong that must definitely be Nelly and her husband and children. It is the same address as Sandra found on the passenger list. Brilliant!
Just re-reading Sandra's post - how strange that William Fordie came back again in July then returned in August. Wonder where his brother was?
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Frank Edward Lawson - April 1914 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada and died April 1986 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
Marrried Bessie Hamblyn - Born April 1914 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada and died 1 Dec 1999 in Whitby, Ontario.
Sandra
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According to anc tree Andrew Lawson died about 1925 (no source given)
Helen Cameron died about 1968 (no source given)
Sandra
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Canada Voters List 1949 - 2207 Gerrard Street Danforth Toronto - Frank E Lawson (Merchant) and Mrs Frank E Lawson
Canada Voters List 1957 - Frank Lawson and Bessie living 3 Queen Street Block A Danforth. Toronto - Frank E D Lawson (supt)
Sandra
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Canada Voters List - 1949/57/58 - Mrs Nellie Lawson - widow - 43 Winston Grove West York West Ontario.
Possibility for William Lawson - Canada Voters List 1940 - 27 Harris Avenue. Danforth. Toronto William Lawson - Clerk and Mrs William Lawson with a daughter "O"
Sandra
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Thank you so much for all your help - I really appreciate all the extra info I now have. Will start to put it together now.
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Andrew Lawson - Born 3 August 1888 Scotland died 22 November 1931 York Ontario. (Heart failure with infection - pneumonia)
Lived at 9 North Dewhurst Blvd, East York. Toronto. Occupation:- Carpenter. Building.
Father Alexander Lawson. Wife Mrs Helen Lawson.
Burial:- Norway Cemetery Toronto 1111 Danforth Cemetery Toronto.
Sandra
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Border crossing Canada to USA - September 1914 - - Andrew Lawson born 1886 Scotland and aged 28 years. Port of Arrival: Buffalo, New York. Occupation Carpenter. Also travelling Nellie aged 28 years. Frank aged 5 months.
Andrews Father :- Alex Lawson, 18 Caledonia Road, Edinburgh Scotland.
Nellie's Father :- John Cameron, 269 Leith Walk, Leith. Scotland.
Brother-in-law :- Frank Cameron. 67 Morton Avenue. Medford. Massachusetts.
Andrew had landed in Quebec 4/6/08 and Nellie landed New York 4/2/13
Border crossing Canada to the USA - Andrew Lawson aged 28 years - Port of arrival :- Buffalo, New York, 27 August 1914 Also Nellie and Frank.
Sandra
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There is a New York Passenger List - 3 Feb 1913 - Andrew Lawson aged 25 years, born Edinburgh. Glasgow - New York on the Cameronia. Occupation:- Carpenter.
Also travelling Nellie Lawson, aged 25 years.
Mother Mrs Alice Lawson, 18 Caledonia Road, Edinburgh. Intended destination :- Toronto Ontario. In transit :- 178 Carlow Avenue, Toronto Ontario.
Sandra
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Thanks Sandra - will add that too. It's all quite confusing!
Seems like Eliza was quite the traveller. I have her crossing the Atlantic at least four times but I am are there must be at least two more crossings that I haven't found yet. One back from the US and another out to Canada. Will try to find her with William Fordie - perhaps easier to track down.
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Just wanted to say that on reflection, perhaps the William Cameron that Eliza Jane went back to Canada with in 1923 was in fact the William Fordie of the same age that came across with her! I can't find a nephew William Cameron of the right age.
Still can't find when she returned from the US on her first visit in 1901. She was on the 1911 census in Edinburgh so she definitely came back! I am wondering if perhaps she went overland from the US to Canada when she arrived in 1920 and her journey back in 1923 was the first one home after that. But then, she wasn't on the 1921 Canada census with her sister. Mysterious!
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But then, she wasn't on the 1921 Canada census with her sister. Mysterious!
I've also been looking through the 1921 Canada census for Eliza Jane. Tried all sorts of name combinations, ages, different provinces etc. but no luck with my search either.
sami
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Thanks for looking Sami, I appreciate you taking the time. I suppose she may have been with her brothers in Boston or she may have been home again. A woman of mystery!
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Border crossing Canada to USA - September 1914 - - Andrew Lawson born 1886 Scotland and aged 28 years. Port of Arrival: Buffalo, New York. Occupation Carpenter. Also travelling Nellie aged 28 years. Frank aged 5 months.
Andrews Father :- Alex Lawson, 18 Caledonia Road, Edinburgh Scotland.
Nellie's Father :- John Cameron, 269 Leith Walk, Leith. Scotland.
Brother-in-law :- Frank Cameron. 67 Morton Avenue. Medford. Massachusetts.
Andrew had landed in Quebec 4/6/08 and Nellie landed New York 4/2/13
Border crossing Canada to the USA - Andrew Lawson aged 28 years - Port of arrival :- Buffalo, New York, 27 August 1914 Also Nellie and Frank.
Sandra
Sandra can I ask a daft question about this, not being familiar with border crossing records. You mention both the fathers in that post as well as Nellie's brother Frank. Does that mean they were with them as well or were relatives just listed?
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Alex Lawson and John Cameron were the nearest named relatives from country whence came.
Frank Cameron was the contact they were going to in Massachusetts.
Sandra
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Thanks, that makes sense!
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Hi I am looking for any information on the Cameron's in Leith Place . I used to visit Meg Cameron here in the 70's with my father James Robertson from Dunlop in Ayrshire . My grandfather was Alexander Cameron Robertson who I believe was a cousin of the Cameron's ? Any light on this would be great ? His mother was Margaret Powell ( my great Gran ) . Look forward to hearing anything and thank you x
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Hello Pamela - Meg Cameron was my great aunt. Her sister Hannah was my gran. My dad always spoke fondly of his visits to Dunlop. We must be related somehow but will need to look at my family tree to work out how! If you make another couple of posts we'll be able to send a private message and exchange email addresses.
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Actually, have managed to send you a message Pamela 😊
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Wow ! What a small world x My grandfather (Alexander Cameron Robertson ) arrived in Dunlop in 1908 at 6 weeks old ! His father was James Robertson (Dundee) and Margaret Powell from Leith I'm sure . Anyway there is a connection with a Dodds family from Portobello too X . My great gran ( Margaret Powell ) had 2 boys before she married James in 1895 I think and one stayed with the Dodds family in Portobello .x