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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: Carranzoo on Thursday 16 January 14 00:32 GMT (UK)
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I have hit a brick wall with Samuel Bede Cooper. He is on the census as being born in Selston, Nottinghamshire about 1805. He married a Sarah (surname unknown) before 1841. The children I have found are Cornelius Cooper born abt 1826 in Alfreton, Derbyshire. Joseph Bede Cooper born 1827, Selson, Derbyshire and Frederic Cooper born 1835. I am a bit confused as to the place names being the same but in two counties. Sarah is on census as being born 1809 in Heanor Derbyshire. Samuel was a schoolmaster. He was down in the 1861 census, in Poplar, Middlesex as a widow living with his niece, a governess, Anne Jane Bennett or Burnett born 1831 in Herefordshire. I can't seam to link her to him. There are various Samuel and Sarah Cooper combinations from the same area that are not my couple to make things even more confusing!
Any pointers in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.
Mel
New Zealand
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Hi
Familysearch.org has the following baptisms..
Louisa COOPER 5th Aug 1829
Newent Gloucestershire
Father = Samuel Bedee? COOPER
Mother = Sarah
James Frederic COOPER
29th July 1834
Newent Gloucestershire
Father = Samuel Bedee? COOPER
Mother = Sarah
Joseph Bedee COOPER
29th July 1827
Alfreton Derbyshire
Father = Samuel COOPER
Mother = Sarah
Cheers
Karenlee
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Cornelius COOPER
31st May 1826
Alfreton Derbyshire
Father = Samuel Buds COOPER
Mother = Sarah
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Thanks! I don't know why I didn't find that! Must be because I was looking for Bede not Bedee as the middle name. Who knows! Shows two minds are better than one. I will carry on digging using that and see if it gets me anywhere else.
Thanks
Mel
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Hi Mel, this is very exciting, we'd got as far back as my three times great-grandfather Joseph Bede ourselves. He moved round England as a 'commissions agent' (illicit bookie?) before dying in Birmingham where the family were for several generations. His son James Charles, grandson James Bede, great-grandson James Bede (always known as Bert), great-great-grandson James Bede, I'm Stephen James Bede and my eldest son Joshua James Bede, Bede has been pronounced 'Beed' by us for at least the last 4 generations?
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Selston is right on Derbyshire border, perhaps the boundary changed or record keepers were confused?
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Samuel Bedee Cooper married Sarah Flint Alfreton, Derby
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u0z/
In the Staffordshire, Dioceses Of Lichfield & Coventry Marriage Allegations And Bonds, 1636-1893, there is a marriage Licence for them 2 Apr 1824...
Samuel's father named as Joseph Cooper
Sarah's father deceased and mother Martha Flint appeared for Sarah
Only found an index for their marriage so far, lists witnesses George Bagshaw/Sarah Waters and the date of Lic. is the same as marriage on the index.
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Link for the marriage 2 Apr 1824
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u10/
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Possible baptism for Sarah, 11 Jan 1804 St. Lawrence, Heanor
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u11/
Parents James and Martha
Possible sister Margaret 1808
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u12/
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I know the original thread was a while ago so hope the info helps you both.
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Ah, that probably explains why Joseph Bede Cooper called his son James Charles- his maternal grandfather. And every eldest son in that line has had the name James as a first or second name for 5 generations after that. Wonderful stuff!
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Sarah born 1809 and Sarah christened 1804 are not the same person...
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Not sure if you have his death?
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COOPER, SAMUEL BEDEE aged 61
GRO Reference: 1866 J Quarter in TENBURY Volume 06C Page 178
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Joseph didn't outlive his father by long then, only 1875, in Aston Birmingham
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Records appear to show Joseph Bedee cooper died 1903 aged 73
SS
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Where is the 1903 Joseph dying? The 1875 Aston death for Joseph Bede Cooper makes sense because the family resided in Birmingham after that for 4 generations.
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Where is the 1903 Joseph dying? The 1875 Aston death for Joseph Bede Cooper makes sense because the family resided in Birmingham after that for 4 generations.
COOPER, JOSEPH BEDEE aged 73
GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 185
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1901 census
Piece 2861
Folio 145
Page number 14
Joseph B Cooper 76 Head
Agnes Proctor 49 Daughter
George Proctor 17 Grandson
Henry James 73 Lodger
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added
birth of daughter
COOPER, AGNES EMILY RUDGE
GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in LEOMINSTER Volume 26 Page 239
birth of grandson
COOPER, GEORGE PROCTOR -
GRO Reference: 1883 D Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 244
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Just for info:
27 October 1873: Birmingham Mail
MARRIED.
COOPER-FORD.—On the 28th of June last, at Christ Church, West Bromwich, (by the Rev. R. Hodgson, B.A.) Joseph Bedee Cooper, of Victoria Place, Albert Road, Aston Park, to Mrs. Mary Ann Ford, of Buckingham Villas, Nechells Park Road.
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Just for info:
27 October 1873: Birmingham Mail
MARRIED.
COOPER-FORD.—On the 28th of June last, at Christ Church, West Bromwich, (by the Rev. R. Hodgson, B.A.) Joseph Bedee Cooper, of Victoria Place, Albert Road, Aston Park, to Mrs. Mary Ann Ford, of Buckingham Villas, Nechells Park Road.
Death of Joseph's 1st wife Emily (Nee' Rudge)
COOPER, EMILY aged 32
GRO Reference: 1855 J Quarter in TENBURY Volume 06C Page 131
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Daughter Agnes makes sense because I'm pretty sure his first wife was Agnes, from memory.
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FreeREG has bapts of children Selsdon Father Joseph.
An extra one that is not on Trees JOHN 07 Mar 1794
Only Father named on bapts of 1st 5 children.
Burials of MARY Cooper 21 Feb 1823 age 54 (c 1769) and JOSEPH Cooper 8 Apr 1837 age 66 (c 1771)
Closest Marriage I can see in Notts was Southwell 15 Oct 1792 to Mary RAYNES
I cant see any children bapt Southwell to this couple.
Trish :)
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I have My Living DNA breakdown by the way. Assuming all these wives were honest, the Cooper Y-Chromosome is R-S6881. 'Anglo-Saxons' who likely crossed from Frisia in the C5th.