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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: jillruss on Wednesday 15 January 14 15:36 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to locate a baptism for my 4xgreat grandfather William Horwood.
From ages given on censuses and at death, he would have been born about 1779.
He married Mary Dawson in New Windsor in 1807 (surname recorded as Horrard). They lived in the Windsor/Clewer area for the rest of their lives and had the following children in Windsor:
1810 William; 1812 Jane (died 1812); 1813 Mary (died 1816); 1816 Jane (married John Padbury 1840); 1818 my Elizabeth (married James Crockford 1840); 1820 Henry; 1822 Sarah; 1826 Stephen (died 1827); 1828 Stephen; 1829 Mary.
The names given to the children are obviously significant because they have been used again when the first child died.
Frustratingly, the 1841 census has William as not born in county but the 1851 census has him born in Waltham, Berks. William died in 1859. When I found a baptism in Waltham St Lawrence, Berks for a William Horwood in 1779, son of William and Joanna (nee Lee) I thought I'd found him. However, that William and family appear on the censuses living in Waltham St Lawrence, whilst my chap is in Windsor. So, not mine!
Just to add to the mystery, on the 1851 census in nearby Binfield, Berks a Henry Horwood age 72 is a farm labourer, born in Waltham St Lawrence, Berks and living on the farm belonging to my Elizabeth's father in law Benjamin Crockford. I'm thinking this must mean some kind of relationship between Henry and Elizabeth's father William, possibly a brother. However, I can't find a baptism for Henry in Waltham St Lawrence - or anywhere else for that matter.
I have been at a complete standstill with this for years so any help would be greatly appreciated. I feel its possible that the 2 Horwood families are perhaps branches of the same family but my branch seem to be the poor relations. Naturally! ::)
(I have tried White Waltham, Berks as well - nothing!)
Jill
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Hi Jill,
I don't know if this a help or a hindrance. In the 1841 census a William Horwood is listed with wife Mary & fam, and the hundred is Ripplesmere, Berks.
You can see it at ;
HO107/37/7/13 p 20 New Windsor Berkshire
Alan
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Thanks, Alan, but I do already have that - and the 1851 entry as well.
Its William Horwood's birth/baptism I'm trying to find.
Thanks for your reply.
Jill
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Berkshire marriages
19th May 1778 Stephen Horwood married Jane Allen at Wargrave St Mary which very near Waltham
Just thought it may be a possible with the childrens names featuring Stephen and Jane
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The Stephen Horwood that LMFAO has posted was of Hurley according to the Marriage Licence Bond, interestingly the William Horwood who marries Joanna Lee in Hurley 22 Dec 1772 is also of Hurley on the Marriage Licence Bond - Stephen's brother?
Jan ;)
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Thanks both.
Alas, I have been down that road already. When I found the Stephen Horwood marrying a Jane in 1778 in Wargrave I thought all my Christmasses had come at once, but I cannot find that they had a child called either William or Henry (William's probable brother).
Having said that, it was very difficult to find any of their children. To date I've found Sarah baptised in Hurley in 1782, John baptised in Hurley in 1783, Martha baptised in Hurley in 1785 and Elizabeth baptised in Waltham St Lawrence in 1788. It seems likely that there were more which I've yet to find (not for the want of looking!) and indeed Stephen's will of 1830 mentions a son Stephen and a daughter Susannah, as well as a granddaughter Eliza Lee (who I haven't yet placed but presumably from Joanna Lee's family) - Stephen doesn't mention any other of his offspring in the will. He names his executor as his nephew Joseph Horwood of Shottesbrook.
I really thought that Stephen and Jane might be the answer to this puzzle but it seems not, though - yes - Stephen is the brother of the William who married Joanna Lee. This part of the Horwood family seem to have been reasonably well off, as were the Lees, but my branch seem to have been the poor relations and were lowly labourers with little money.
Perhaps if we can find any more of Stephen and Jane's children....
Thanks,
Jill
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Have you tried looking for a non-conformist baptism? I have several families where they swap between C of E and non-com (usually failing to baptise my one entirely ::) )
Jan ;)
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Hi,
I've looked on the Nonconformist BMD website but found nothing.
I suppose its always possible that they were never baptised.
Not sure where to look next!!
Jill
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This might interest you: My great-great-grandmother was Emma Horwood (born 1826 in Shottesbrooke, Berkshire - that's close to Binfield). She married Robert Lawrence (born 1821), and their son Alfred Robert (1857 to 1941) immigrated to South Africa, where he married my great-grandmother, Maria Magdalena Kock (Koch?)
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Hi David,
Thanks for your reply.
Do you know who Emma's father was? I think she is more likely to be related to the Joseph of Shottesbrook who I mentioned earlier but its just possible she was connected to my Horwoods.
Jill
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Dear Jill,
Emma is as far back as I can get with the Horwoods. I'm sorry that I can't be more helpful.
Sincerely,
David Miller
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I've found her on the 1851 census at Halls Farm in Waltham St Lawrence.
She's age 25 and born Shottesbrook, Berks. She's living there with her father Joseph 63, a farmer, born Waltham St Lawrence and her mother Eliza 51 born London, Middlesex. Also, brothers Richard (19) and James (17) both also born Shottesbrook.
Also living there are: George Young 25 yr old (born Reading) nephew of Joseph's; Emma Newton 12 yr old niece born London; and Lavinia ? a servant.
It looks as if these are connected to the Horwoods of Waltham St Lawrence,not mine. I hope you may be able to locate Joseph and Eliza's marriage and that you can get further back.
best of luck,
Jill
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Shottesbrook
30 Oct 1823
Joseph Horwood and Eliza Newton
Married by licence.
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Is Emma Horwood, born in 1826 in Shottesbrook, Berkshire, the mother of Alfred Robert Lawrence, born circa 1860? (This is the man who married my great-grandmother in South Africa in about 1890.) If so, you have confirmed the identity of my great-great-grandmother and have provided invaluable information about her parents!
Many thanks!
David Miller
The Pas,
Manitoba,
Canada
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Hi David
Welcome to Rootschat :)
Emma Horwood married Robert Lawrence Jul-Aug-Sep 1852 Cookham district Vol 2c Pg 578
Robert and Emma Lawrence are in Waltham St Lawrence in 1861. Emma is 35 born Shottesbrook, children Robert H 6, Emma 2, Alfred R 1 and Infant son 3 months all born Waltham St Lawrence. Emma Newton visitor age 21 born London is with them RG9/753/167 Pg2
Jan ;)
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Many thanks to all those who have kindly volunteered information regarding the Horwood branch of my mother's family. I am indebted to you.
Regards,
David Miller
The Pas,
Manitoba,
Canada
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Hi Jill, Just wondering whether you've checked the Windsor WHORWOODs?
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Hi
No - please tell me more! ???
Jill