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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (North Riding) => Topic started by: JennyMarieGradwell on Wednesday 15 January 14 08:51 GMT (UK)
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Hi all,
Having researched my Dad's side of the tree quite a way back in Manchester, I've recently moved over to my Mum's side, based primarily around Middlesbrough (at least for the first 2 or 3 generations).
This might seem like a silly question, but how come I don't see the lovely & helpful parish records of marriages/baptisms when I'm searching in North Riding? In Lancashire I found lots of helpful hints on Fathers' names, occupations, etc etc..... They just don't seem to be on offer around Middlesbrough. Am I missing something? ???
Any help would be much appreciated!
Thanks :)
Jenny.
ETA: I am searching using an Ancestry.co.uk membership and I am fairly sure the family was Catholic (rather than the CofE branch in Manchester).
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What years are you looking at? There were various churches in Middlesbrough and the immediate area. Have you looked to see what the record office there has? The library has records too. Lots of transcripts available if you can get there.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/NRY/Middlesbrough/index.html#Churches
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Thanks Sillgen. As an example, these are my great grandparents:
John William Blythman
Birth July 1898 in Guisborough, Yorkshire North Riding, United Kingdom
Death Dec 1941 in Middlesbrough, Yorkshire North Riding, England
Marriage March 1924 to...
Edith Long
Birth April 1898 in Middlesbrough, Yorkshire North Riding, United Kingdom
Death Dec 1962 in Middlesbrough, Yorkshire North Riding, England
I can only find the Index records, no parish records of marriages or baptisms seem to come up :(
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Only a few places have parish records digitised on Ancestry - you're fortunate if you have ancestors from one of those areas. Most of West Yorkshire is there, but not North Yorkshire. I believe most of the rest of the Yorkshire parish records are currently being digitised and will be available via Find My Past later this year. Someone else might now more about it.
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Ah ok thanks JMStrachan. I thought it might be something like that. Yes, I am very lucky to have been able to trace the Lancashire clan back so far - the lack of Parish records makes it much tougher for an amateur like me!
Thanks for the help :)
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If you can get to Middlesbrough, the Reference Library now has all the parish records on microfilm, they took them over from Teesside Archives a couple of years ago. TA still has the transcripts and some records transcribed onto CDs.
If you use the website Tees Valley Indexes:
http://www.middlesbrough-indexes.co.uk/index.php
you can look up the marriages and get a reference number. Although this number is for ordering certs through the Register Office, it can be used to find out which church the couple used; thus your Edith Long in 1924 gives the reference starting with M201. If you look at this RootsChat posting:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,523856.0.html
this tells you that the marriage took place at St Paul's, Middlesbrough. The microfilms at Middlesbrough Ref Library should cover this date and you can take a copy for 50p - much better value than £9.25 from the GRO!
I think Teesside Archives have also retained the Nonconformist records and possibly the Catholic ones too, but an email will tell you that, I think this is the right address:
teesside_archives [at] middlesbrough.gov.uk
replacing [at] with @ or phone 01642 248391.
Baptism & Burial records are also at the Ref Library.
FamilySearch.org has some records online: Baptisms: C060811 & C060814. Marriages: M060811 M060812 M060813 M060814 which I think all refer to St Hilda's Parish Church, also M163461 Wesleyan Methodist Circuit.
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Do you live near an LDS family history centre? They are listed on familysearch.org and you can order the films of most parish records to search there if you can't visit the area.
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Only a few places have parish records digitised on Ancestry - you're fortunate if you have ancestors from one of those areas. Most of West Yorkshire is there, but not North Yorkshire. I believe most of the rest of the Yorkshire parish records are currently being digitised and will be available via Find My Past later this year. Someone else might now more about it.
Funnily enough I emailed findmypast yesterday to ask if there was an update when the records would be online. Their reply (below) was encouraging.
"We're getting closer! expect news soon. They aren't the next on the list but things are progressing well!"
Who knows I might finally find out where my several times great grandfather came from :)
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Thanks so much everyone - wonderfully helpful as always :D
Unfortunately it's a bit tricky for me to get back to Middlesbrough, though I visit a few times a year to see my Nana so I'll perhaps try and schedule a visit to see parish records the next time :)
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The Roman Catholic parish records are held at the Diocesan Archives, 50a The Avenue Middlesbrough and can be accessed by appointment with David Smallwood the archivist.
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I finally found the time to visit Middlesbrough Ref Library and have found some info for you.
The marriage between John William Blythman and Edith Long took place at St Paul’s church, Middlesbrough on the 8th March 1924. Details:
JWB – 25 bachelor Sailorsman of 82 St Paul’s Road, son of George Blythman deceased, Packer.
EL – 24 spinster of 45a Rutland Street, daughter of Thomas Long deceased, Bricklayer.
By Banns, Charles Dobson, Assistant Curate. Witnesses: William [Scotson]? and Winifred [Scottard/Scotson]? (The microfilm was very dark and it is difficult to make out the exact surnames of the witnesses)
I found a death notice for JWB in the Evening Gazette 4 Nov 1941:
"BLYTHMAN. Suddenly, on November 3rd, John William, dearly loved husband of Edith Blythman. Cortege leaves residence, 82 St Paul's Rd, Middlesbrough, Thursday 3.0 p.m., for interment at Linthorpe Cemetery. Friends and workmates kindly invited."
The Burial Register for Linthorpe Cemetery has an entry for John, aged 43 years, of 82 St Paul's Road. It also says "Britannia Works" in a column headed up Description of deceased. The burial took place on the 6th November, by the Co-op Society. Consecrated ground, section X, grave plot number 1987, first in this grave plot.
I ran out of time to look for any articles about John's demise but will have a look in the Northern Echo archives in Darlington next week. Now that we know the exact date of his death, it will be easier to search.
If you send me your email address in a PM, I can send you the scanned images of the marriage and the death notice. I have also got info about the Mahoney family and a scan of the death notice for Rachel Mary, née Findlay from 1932, plus RC burial details for Thomas & Rachel Mahoney and Sarah Mahoney in 1935, possibly Thomas's mother?
Tillypeg
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As an aside, the Brittania works was part of the Dorman Long & Co. steel works which incorporated the steel rolling mills and wireworks, a "sailorman" would be a person in charge of the finished products in the stock yards, stacking, loading, craneage etc,
James
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That's interesting macintosh. I did wonder when I looked at the marriage document what it could be. I have plenty of sailors in my tree but had never seen sailorman - I've had another closer look and zoomed in on the image and my first guess as sailorsman was incorrect - it is Sailorman. Thanks for pointing that out. Hope JennyMarie gets back in touch again soon to see this.
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hi there just came back on after a long time doing no research seen your question found this1924 BLYTHMAN JOHN W M-201-13-0-237 Middlesbrough
2 1924 LONG EDITH M-201-13-0-237 www.teesvalley-indexes.co.uk hope this helps craig
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Hi robo196
Welcome (back) to RootsChat. JennyMarieGradwell who started this thread has not logged on since January although I have sent her a Personal Message to say that I found some information for her at Middlesbrough Reference Library, including the marriage you mentioned. (see my reply to Jenny of 15th January and the full marriage details in reply of 25th April)
Seems a shame that she doesn't know about all this....
Tillypeg
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Thank you so very much indeed for this amazing information!
I'm afraid life got a little complicated for me and I had to put family history on the back burner for a while, but I'm delving back into it now and I am very grateful for your help.
Apologies for the huge delay in my reply, I do really appreciate this very much! :) :)
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Just a little follow-up having digested the info and updated my tree on Ancestry.
I've passed this info onto my Uncles (JWB's grandchildren) too, they will be really pleased to know it. JWB's death is still a bit of a mystery I think.
I've been updating my tree with all this info (http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/65530361/family) and have also inherited a lot of photos which I'm adding too.
Thanks again! :)
ETA: Jack and Edith Blythman on their wedding day:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3894/14740098488_c3d5dff1c5_o.jpg)
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Welcome back Jenny.
The wedding photo is wonderful, they make a lovely couple!
I will send you a PM re the scans.
Tillypeg
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Thank you very much! Another couple here.... JWB was in the marines before he was married and we're lucky enough to have his record, though I have to confess I don't understand most of the handwriting and may have to post it in the 'deciphering' forum!
One of JWB in uniform, and one of Edith with my Nana's 2 sisters (sadly, the baby, little Edith, later died aged 2)
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5564/14750021950_b5d4689157_o.jpg)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3857/14933600191_7e99b1dff6_o.jpg)