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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Devon => Topic started by: annejan_1 on Monday 13 January 14 01:03 GMT (UK)
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Greetings from Canada, Looking for info on John (1808-1883) & Amey Hartnoll's family: Miriam, Martha (spinster school teacher in Barnstaple), Elizabeth and sons John James, Phillip Charles, Wm G and Arthur Bosher.
thank you, Anne
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As a starting point
1861 RG9/1488/82/19
65 High street Barnstaple
John Hartnoll 52 master carpenter employing 15men and 2 boys AND Town Clerk born Pilton Devon
Amey Hartnoll 44 wife born Wallingford Berkshire
Miriam Hartnoll 17 born Lambeth Surrey
Martha B Hartnoll 15 Barnstaple Devon
Eliza Hartnoll 13 Barnstaple Devon
John J Hartnoll 11 Barnstaple Devon
Phillip C Hartnoll 9 Barnstaple Devon
William G Hartnoll 5 Barnstaple Devon
Arthur B Hartnoll 3 Barnstaple Devon
1851 same address and dau is down as Eliza again not Elizabeth
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On familysearch.org
John Hartnoll
Christened 17 May 1809
at Barnsatple Devon
Father -John
Mother _Elizabeth
I am not sure whether you want to know about John and Amy's children or back beyond John and Amy's parents.
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It seems the eldest child Miriam was b Lambeth Surrey
Baptism
Lambeth St Mary
Surrey
10 Sept 1843
Miriam Hartnoll daughter of John & Amey
father's occ Carpenter
address Royal St
1851 / 61 Miriam is at home with her parents & siblings at High St Barnstable
1871
13 Henrietta St Marylebone London
Miriam Hartnoll 27 shopwoman London
living with 25 other shopwomen and 5 porters -working for a Linen Draper
RG10 156 46 17
Miriam married 1879
Marriage 1 Nov 1879 St Mary Islington London
William Henry James Bolders(or Boldero) of full age Bachelor occ Draper 57 Norfolk Rd father George Boldero occ farmer
Miriam Hartnoll full age Spinster High St barnstable father john Hartnoll occ gent
witnesses Charles Hartnoll Susan Rosa M Boldero
1881
12 Wimbledon Hill Rd Wimbledon
William H Bolders Head M 38 Draper Gyt Ashfield Suffolk
Miriam wife 37 Lambeth
Ellen F Stewart visitor |U 18 assistant draper
Margaret Gamble servant 16
RG11 830 40 3
1891
10 Listona? Rd Streatham London
William H J Boldero Head M 40 Costumier Gt Ashfield Suffolk
Miriam wife 46 Lambeth
John H P son 9 Wimbledon Surrey
Ellen A Burridge servant 14 Southall Mx
RG12 455 71 36
1901
Spital Terrace Gainsboro Lincs
Miriam Boldero Married Living on own means Lambeth
Percy son 19 Steam engine fitter Wimbledon Surrey
Miriam died 1918
Probate
Miriam Boldero of 4 Fawcett St Gainsborough Lincolnshire (wife of Henry Boldero) died 29 Jan 1918 Probate London 16 Mar to John Henry Percy Boldero engineer draughtsman
effects £274 18s 1 d
John Henry Percival Boldero married May Porter marriage reg Sept qtr 1934 Wharfedale Yks
Probate
John Henry Percival Boldero otherwise John Henry Percy Boldero of 59 Markham Avenue Leeds Yorks died 13 July 1957 at 10 Roman Place Leeds Probate York 10 Sept to May Boldero widow
Effects £8652 2s 9d
I'll now look for Martha B -anyone want to look up the others?
Suz
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Martha Bosher Hartnoll
with parents and sibling s to 1881 census occ Schoolmistress
1891
65 High St Barnstaple devon
William George Hartnoll Head U 35 Builder
Martha sister U 45 living on own means
Eliza sister 43 living on own means
all b Barnstaple
RG12 1773 14 22
1901
65 High St Barnstaple
Martha Hartnoll Head U 55 living on own means
Eliza sister U 53 living on own means
both b Barnstaple
Probate
martha Bosher Hartnoll of 65 Hight St Barnstaple Devon died 18 Mar 1902 Administration London 21 April toJohn James Hartnoll builder's clerk
Effects £2032 9s
Suz
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it seems Eliza died a few months before her sister Martha
Birth reg FreeBMD
Eliza Hartnoll
Sept qtr 1847 Barnstaple 10 17
Probate
Eliza hartnoll of 65 High St Barnstaple Devon died 25 Nov 1901 Administration London 15 Feb to John James Hartnoll builder's clerk
Effects £811 7s 2d
Suz
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Hi Suz, picked an easy one!
Marriage Philip Charles Hartnoll to Annie Louisa Williams Dec qtr 1887 Ledbury 6a 927
1891 Census
Philip C Hartnoll 39 occ Warehouseman b Barnstaple
Annie L 32 b Sedbury? Herefordshire
Gladys M 2 b Hornsey
Horace S 4 months b Hornsey
Plus 1 Servant
Residing at 4, Middle Lane, Hornsey, Edmonton, Middx
Census Ref RG12/1060/81/58
1901 Census
Philip C HARTNOLD 49 occ Drapers Manager b Barnstaple
Annie L 41 b Ledbury
Gladys M 12
Horace S 10
Ethel I 8
Harold L 3
Gwenyth L 2
Clarence C 4 months
Residing at 4, Hope Street, Hornsey
All children b Hornsey
Census Ref RG13/1241/114/19
Looks to be a further child, Elsie Eileen Hartnoll Dec qtr 1902 Edmonton 3a 377
Death Philip Charles Hartnoll March qtr 1908 Edmonton 3a 244 aged 56
Keyboard86
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Good one Keyboard
I'm just looking at John James - he had 11 children!!!!
Suz
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John James Hartnoll
1871 still at home with parents & siblings occupation Carpenter & Joiner
Marriage reg FreeBMD
John J Hartnoll
Agnes Mary A Godwin
jun qtr 1875
Winchester
2c 189
1881
11 Southgate Rd Winchester Hampshire
John J Hartnoll Head M 31 Builder's clerk Barnstaple Devon
Agnes M A wife 27 Winchester
Hames H son 5 Winchester
Florence M daughter 2 Winchester
Miriam A daughter 1 Winchester
RG11 1232 15 23
1891
7 franklin Rd Penge Surrey
John J Hartnoll Head M 41 Building Surveyor Barnstaple Devon
Agnes M A wife 37 Winchester hants
James H son 15 Winchester
Florence M daughter 13 Winchester
Miriam daughter 11 Winchester
Charles w SON 9 winchester
Ethel M daughter 7 Winchester
Percy A son 5 Winchester
Dorothy E daughter 3 Bermondsey London
Reginald A son 8mths Penge Surrey
rg12 599 21 36
1901
7 Franklin Rd Penge Surrey
John J Hartnoll head M 51 Steward of mansions Barnstaple
Agnes M a wife 46 Winchester
James H son 25 Baker's Traveller Winchester
Miriam A daughter 21 Dressmaker Winchester
Charles W son 18 Printer Winchester
Ethel M daughter 17 Winchester
percy A son 14 Printer Winchester
Dorothy E daughter 12 London
Reginald A son 10 Penge Surrey
Irene M daughter 7 penge
Ernest M son 5 Penge
Violet C daughter 2 Penge
probate
John James Hartnoll of 7 Franklin Rd Penge kent died 20 May 1915 Probate London 11 Jun to Agnes Mary Ann Hartnoll widow
Effects £679 15s
Suz
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Thank-you all for such a swift response. This is much more than I expected I do have to apologize for one thing. When I said Hartnolls of Barnstaple I was not as specific as I should have been.
The father John was not born in Barnstaple but in Pilton 15 Oct. 1808. Parents were Phillip and Miriam.
He went to work in London and returned with his wife Amey Bosher and daughter Miriam to work and live out his life in Barnstaple.
However, all that you gave me fits - the names of his kids follow those of his parents, brothers etc.
Sorry I wasn't thorough enough. Still to have all this is wonderful as I track my gg grandmother's nieces and nephews.
Thanks again, Anne
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Think we realised where John was b from early census
Don't know if you have nthis? -if so here it is again
Marriage after Banns
28 Aug 1842 St John the Evangelist Lambeth
John Hartnoll full age Bachelor occ Carpenter of Royal St father Phillip Hartnoll occ Carpenter
Amey Bosher spinster full age of Roal St father James Bosher occ labourer
witnesses W Davey M Davey
all signed
Suz
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Hi there, have just stumbled on this site and would let you know that John James Hartnoll was my fraternal Great Grandfather. His son Percy was my Grandfather my father Harold is still alive (98) I'm another John now living in outback Australia
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Thanks for getting in touch. I am related to John James Hartnoll through his father John Hartnoll who was brother to my GG grandma Mary Ann Hartnoll (m. Edward Turner Bishop) My dad, their Ggrandson is also still living at age 95.
Interestingly I traveled to Devon from Canada this May and spent time in Pilton and Barnstaple even Braunton where the earlier generations originated.
Check out the Pilton Story website for a write-up of John James's ancestors. I have more info and pictures to share. Have you been to England?
If you'd like what I have send a PM. 4th Cousin ? Anne
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Hi Anne,
Bit of a dummy with this roots chat stuff. If I read it correctly I am not allowed to PM you until I have done certain things. For a quick contact ( and excuse me if this is naughty) my email address is johmaz1973@gmail.com FYI I lived in the UK until I emigrated to Australia way back in 1971. I have been to Barnstable and the general area but before starting any interest in family history.....I suspect this is an "age" thing. I'll dig out the information I have in anticipation of your reply. Best Wishes John