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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: dragonlady403 on Sunday 12 January 14 22:27 GMT (UK)
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Hi everyone, I had posted on the Oxfordshire Board looking for additional details on an elusive relative! They have been most helpful and with that assistance, I have been able to narrow the emigration period to between 1871-1875.
Charles Hatter was from the Wiltshire area, an agricultural laborer, born around 1847 to Edmond Hatter and Elizabeth Granger (perhaps Grainger). He had a younger brother Henry, who it appears stayed in the UK and a younger sister Mary who also apparently stayed in the UK. The kids were orphaned when Charles was around 10 and they lived with the Cottle family for a while.
By 1876 Charles was in the Kakanui North, Otago area marrying Janet Ainslie Messer (that is another story entirely!). Charles was employed as an agricultural labourer. I have quite a bit of information on him once in NZ (none of it particularly positive, but it is at least interesting), but I am still at a loss as to when/how he arrived in NZ. I have searched countless passenger lists to no avail.
If anyone could provide me with ideas on how best to proceed to figure out when, which ship he arrived in NZ on I would be most grateful.
Regards and thanks in advance!
Carol
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Hi
The exact date of his marriage was 10/5/1876
1876/3130 Janet Messer to Charles Hatter
Cheers Janette
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Hi Janette - thanks for the info.
Yes, I have a copy of his Death Cert and their marriage Cert. Have a fair bit on them in NZ, but there's about 5 or 6 years unaccounted for until he turned up and got married.
Regards,
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I see there is a file at Dunedin Archives about an assault
http://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?OID=9053438
Where is he buried?
Cheers Janette
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Yes it would appear our Charlie had a bit of a temper on him. Lovely chap!
He died in 1925 and is buried in Palmerston, Otago. I have a copy of his probate docs but nothing of much help in there.
He had three daughters with Janet (one died in infancy), Mary (my great grandmother left home early and never returned), Janet Ainslie jnr appears to have stayed around with her mother then married fairly late in life.
Regards, Carol
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Hi Dragonlady,
I can't see any prospects on FamilySearch's New Zealand, Immigration Passenger Lists, 1855-1973
Nor is there any prospects on the NZSG Kiwi Index, Victoria (AUS) to NZ - Passengers 1852-1923.
Under the heading 'How long in New Zealand' on his death certificate, does it provide any information?
Do you have a transcription of his Intention to Marry Notice? His 'length of residence' might supplement the death certificate information.
Spades
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Have you checked the online newspapers? There are a reasonable amount available online. If you check ship sailing dates, person's names, places of departure, places of arrival....do these as separate searches and be aware there will be transcription errors.
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Hi Double irish,
I looked as well, but there are only two citations, all too late.
Spades
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I think he must have been a stowaway! (I followed him on your other thread, and wondered then if he stowed away on a ship)
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Remote perhaps, but a possibility that occurred with another inquiry I had a couple of years ago. Perhaps Charles Hatter traveled in a similiar way?
A family crossed the English Channel from England to travel from Ostend Belgium by the "Bremen Line" I think it was, to Australia. The passenger liner stopped first at Fremantle before the disembarked at Melbourne and made the final part of their journey to Bluff, New Zealand on another service.
The passage from Ostend, Belgium to Australia was finally located on Trove.
Something to ponder?
Alex G ;D
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A stow away..? I must say I never considered that as a possibility, but given the rest of the story for this branch of the family, nothing would surprise me anymore. It would sure make for a more interesting read!
If that was the case, there must be records or stories about other people and the process etc of being a stowaway. I would think getting on board would be one issue, but staying on board as an "illegal" then getting off in port would present a whole new set of problems.
That being said, I would like to exhaust all possible options before assuming that.
I am hoping there are some records in the one of the NZ gov repositories that might have something about the man and his arrival on their shores.
Thanks for the continued help... much appreciated!
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Hi Spades, no there is nothing at all on his death certificate, not even where he was born, parents names, nothing except his age and the name of his wife (with an incorrect surname anyway).
I also have the Wedding Certificate - again, nothing about either of the parties parents, lineage, place of birth etc.
Double Irish - I ran a check on PapersPast and his name showed up but it was nothing to do with his immigration/settlement (it was an assault charge). Basically he only pops up in NZ when he marries Janet Ainslie Messer in 1876. He was last known to be in the UK in the 1871 census so I have a 5 year gap to try to fill.
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New Zealander - I ran a check on TROVE but nothing came up for Charles... I will widen the search to see if one of his relatives ended up out there.
Actually, this branch of the family has had a fairly small number of children. Charles only had two siblings; he then had two living daughters, one of whom had no children as far as I know and the other only had two daughters, one of whom had no children and the other only had one!
Charles' brother, according to research so far, remained in the UK (as did his sister I believe) and I don't think there was any contact between them anyway.
I am not working with a huge family network here.
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Could Charles have arrived in NZ with the Cottle family ? There are a few of them around one family at North East Valley in Dunedin ?
Signal
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That's a very interesting idea! There was a long-time connection with that family and his brother married a Cottle. I will sleuth around to see what I can find out.
Thanks, Carol
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Another one to ponder :-
http://prov.vic.gov.au/provguide-23
Victorian Govt Record Office
Have fun
Alex G