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Hi we are new. Does anyone know or know of where we could find the Hayward Williams families from Birmingham around 1858?
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hi,,,you need to post more information,,,what info do you already have?,,and what it is you are looking to find out ? welcome to the forum by the way ;)
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A welcome to RootsChats from me too. As gortonboy said, we need some more info to be able to assist you.
With a brief search, have found there are a number of people with the names HAYWARD WILLIAMS tacked onto their christian names, coming up on the electoral rolls in Birmingham - my findings start from 1920.
Is HAYWARD WILLIAMS a double barrel surname?
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Thank you and Hi from Australia. We are trying to establish whether Hayward Williams is the surname or why it is that every member of the family has Hayward as their middle name. We have traced back to our great great Grandfather as Thomas Hayward Williams born in 1858 in Birmingham and his father is thought to be John Hayward Williams. Thomas immigrated to Australia in 1884 and lived in Adelaide.
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Hi and welcome
If he left England in 1884 then you can look for him in census records. The 1881 is free to search on various sites and once you have that you can work backwards and find him in 1861 when, with luck, he will be with his parents. Did he marry? That should show his father's name and occupation. Australian death records often give a lot of information too.
I would assume that at some point in the past a Mr Williams married a Miss Hayward and the name was used as a second name. An interesting search.
www.freebmd.org.uk should enable you to find the birth registration in 1858.
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Hi
Thomas Howard Williams
christening: 13 June 1858 ALL SAINTS,BIRMINGHAM,WARWICK,ENGLAND
father: John Howard Williams
mother: Elizabeth
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Deaths - John Haywood Williams March quarter 1865 Birmingham 6d 161 Also John Hayward Williams age 47 in Dec 1867 Birmingham 6d 15. That sounds more like the father. Maybe the earlier one is a child? There is a birth for John Hayward Williams in 1863 which would fit that scenario.
There is a possible family on the 1861 census - John, a carpenter, is born c1820 in Bridgenorth, Shropshire, Elizabeth born c1822 in Marylebone, London. Sons Henry 12 and Thomas 2 both born Birmingham.
RG09 2168 15 26
Williams is a common name though so you may need certificates to be sure. Freebmd does have Thomas' birth registration and Henry's.
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Hello and welcome :)
As he was registered as Hayward, I would think that the Howard name is perhaps a mistranscription or misheard name.
This may be him in 1861 2168/ 15/ 26
Barrack Buildings 5 House, Birmingham
John Williams 41 yrs Carpenter b Bridgnorth Shropshire
Elizabeth Williams 39 yrs b Marylebone London
Henry Williams 12 yrs b Birmingham
Thomas Williams 2 yrs b Birmingham
this would fit with a marriage for Henry Hayward Williams born abt 1848 - marriage 1881 with father John, a Joiner.
Do you have this information already and now trying to go back to John?
heywood
Snap :)
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1851 2057/ 595/7 the family are inmates in Birmingham workhouse together with Mary 1 yr old daughter.
All this is very tentative as Williams is a common name as Sillgen pointed out - also there are Haywards in Shropshire.
1847 has a marriage for John Williams, Carpenter and Elizabeth Few. His father is James, a gardener.
Family Search https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NXTM-JR4 baptism of a John Williams- parents James and Mary
Family Search https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NGR1-9G3 Sarah Hayward Williams - parents James and Mary
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I do not know if this is relevant but /I think there was a company called Hayward Williams in Cheshire in early 1970's. I do not know if this was a family name.
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spelling was different - Heywood Williams!!
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Oh my goodness thank you so much for your replies and information, you are too kind.
From Thomas's marriage record to Elizabeth Harvey in Australia we know that his father is John Hayward Williams however that is all that is recorded and really all we know.
From our electoral records we know that Thomas lived with George Few in Adelaide and there are no records for him prior to the mid 1880s.
Further descendents are buried here all with different spelling from Hayward to Haywood to Heywood.
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Was George Few a relative? It would fit with that marriage of John and Elizabeth.
If you look at https://familysearch.org/search there is a marriage of James Williams and Mary Haywood. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NNQS-H9C
Possibility?
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Birth in case you want to buy the certificate
Thomas Hayward Williams
Apr-May-Jun 1858
Birmingham
Warwickshire
Volume:6d Page:197
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Removed - apologies
regards,
Ros
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Thank you kindly everyone. Thomas's birth certificate arrived and his mother is indeed Elizabeth Few so all of you are on the right track. Thank you again.
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That's good news. :)
By the way I did remove my post at your request, but I think you should expect to find some unpleasant details about some of your ancestors and not try to hide them. Try to find the reasons or explanations but don't exclude them.
regards,
Ros
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Oh my goodness thank you so much for your replies and information, you are too kind.
From Thomas's marriage record to Elizabeth Harvey in Australia we know that his father is John Hayward Williams however that is all that is recorded and really all we know.
From our electoral records we know that Thomas lived with George Few in Adelaide and there are no records for him prior to the mid 1880s.
Further descendents are buried here all with different spelling from Hayward to Haywood to Heywood.
Hi there,
Have you considered starting a post on the Australia Board where there are plenty of Aussies who are ready to help you with your family history enquiries.
Have you read the newspaper article that makes mention of someone who is likely part of your family tree (free to search) at our absolutely fantastic website 'TROVE'. Here is the link:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/105615829 The Daily Herald 24 Jan 1914. It is about a court hearing, Thomas Hayward WILLIAMS was the defendant and there's mention about George Few too,as he was one of the witnesses against Thomas.
Here's the link to the RChat Australia Board http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?board=165.0
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Here's a link to the fantastic RChat resources board for South Australia. http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=280572.0
It is a child board of the main Australian resources board. http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?board=399.0
Here is the "How To" link for posting on the Aussie Board
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=368728.0
Hope to see you there soon :)
Cheers, JM
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Many thanks will try out the South Aussie board.
This blog has finished thanks.