RootsChat.Com
England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Derbyshire => England => Derbyshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: magicspice on Wednesday 08 January 14 10:44 GMT (UK)
-
Please could someone perform a baptism look up for me.
The person is Alfred Yeomans, son of Samuel and Sarah, born c1856 in Ednaston, Derbyshire. Despite multiple GRO purchases I am unable to locate a birth certificate for this individual so I would greatly appreciate it if someone could help me out by going down the parish register route.
Many thanks
Heather
Magicspice
-
Hi Heather
I can't do the look-up for you but thought I'd let you know that, although civil registration started in 1837, it wasn't compulsory for parents to register births until 1875. Until then the onus was on the registrars to go around their district and make sure they had all the registrations.
So there may not be a registration to find.
Good luck with your baptism search.
Dawn
-
Hi,
Cannot find either, but think there is something odd i.e.
Their daughter Catherine born abt 1842, marries as:-
Yeomans Catherine Warne Ashbourne 7b 713 June Q 1862
Looking for her birth there are 2 possibles:-
Dec Q 1842 Ashbourne
Catherine Warnor
Cathering Yeomans
So when did Samuel Yeomans marry Sarah? and where? Is this his 2nd wife - looking at ages
of children on 1861 Census.
Spendlove
-
Hi,
Sorry forgot to say on family search the marriage is recordered as Catherine Warner Yeomans:-
Catherine Warner Yeomans = John Holmes 21st April 1862 Brailsford. Fathers
Samuel Yeomans & John Holmes.
-
Sarah Warner = Samuel Yeomans
24 Jul 1842
St Peter's Church, Derby, Derbyshire, England
The first son born prior to marriage:-
William Yeomans
Christening Date 30 Oct 1842 BRAILSFORD,DERBY,ENGLAND
Born 08 Nov 1839
Father Samuel Yeomans Mother Sarah Warner
Spendlove
-
Ok.............first Ednaston is in the Parish of BRAILSFORD....in the Civil Registration District of Ashbourne........Both the 1851 and the 1861 Census clearly place the whole family at Brailsford and then Ednaston...........there are several children before ALFRED..............and interestingly..Sarah born 1819, and Samuel born 1815..may have been married before 1837..........their first child was born in 1840.
The reason i say before 1837 is that the only marriage for a Samuel Yeomans at Ashbourne is 1838..to a totally different woman.............
But the 1861 clearly has all the children..and the family, including Sarah ,are just as clearly very Local........but for the life of me I can't find the marriage in the Brailsford Pr's........
Derek.
-
Spendlove's contribution is interesting (as always!)..but may mean nothing more than a clue to Sarah's Maiden name???
Derek
-
One of the children of Samuel and Sarah......WILLIAM. was baptised Brailsford 30.10.1842..mother's maiden name ....WARNER!!!!.yippee!!!
Derek.
-
Hi
Very true Derek, I have added additional information re the marriage & first Child.
Always think it best to look sideways when you cannot find the obvious.
Will keep looking.
Spendlove
-
Wonder if this is the marriage??
FreeBMD
Sept qtr 1844 Derby 19 414
Samuel Yeomans (only name on page)
Sept qtr 1844 Derby 19 444
4 Females 3 males on same page
one of females is transcribed as Sarah Worner
they may have married (if this is the marriage reg) out of their registration district if they had children pre marriage
?????
Suz
-
Hi,
In the 1841 Census, prior to her marriage, Sarah Warner age 20 is living in Ednaston, Brailsford with her son.
HO107; Piece: 179; Book: 11B; Folio 20 Pg 17
Robert Warner 39
Ann Warner 50
Sarah Warner 20
Mary Warner 17
Maria Warner 13
William Warner 1
You will also find Samuel with his Parents on previous page of this census.
Spendlove
-
Hi everyone, I've not really had time yet to digest the implications of everyone's posts yet but I'd just like to say a big thank you to everyone who has contributed so far.
Thanks once again
Heather
-
Hi Heather,
Thought it may assist if I summarise what information I have discovered:-
Names of children of Samuel & Sarah Yeomans taken from 1841/1851 & 1861 Census
with their approximate birth years:-
William 1839
Catherine 1842
Joseph 1845
Harriet 1849
Henry 1851
Charles 1854
ALFRED 1856
Arthur 1856
Frank 1859
Christenings which took place at Brailsford Derbyshire taken from transcripts on
www.familysearch.org
Born Christened
William 8.11.1839 30.10.1842
Joseph 17. 9.1846 4. 6.1854
Harriet 2. 9.1848 -do-
Charles 1.4.1854 -do-
Arthur --- 4.3.1860
Frank ---- -do-
Can find no Christening for Alfred.
Civil Registration All in the Ashbourne Registration District taken from
www.freebmd.org.uk THESE ARE ONLY POSSIBLES
WILLIAM was possibly registered as William Yeomans Dec Q 1839 19 306. If this was him
then I think I am correct in saying that his Father will have had to have attended the actual
registration. As Samuel & Sarah were not married he should have been registered as
William Warner.
Samuel Yeomans = Sarah 1842 as previous post.
CATHERINE YeomEns Dec Q 1842 19 309 strangely there is also the following
CATHERINE Warnor Dec Q 1842 19 309
JOSEPH June Q 1845 19 395
HARRIOT Mar Q 1849 19 395
HENRY Dec Q 1851 19 389
CHARLES Jun Q 1854 7b 471
ARTHUR Dec Q 1856 7b 934
FRANK Dec Q 1859 7b 468
Samuel Died 1862 and was buried at Brailsford 6.8.1862 age 47
Civil Registration Sept. Quarter 1862 Ashbourne 7b 251
Sarah Yeomans = Paul Woolley 15th July 1867 Shirley, Derbyshire Fathers
are listed as Robert Womer and Thomas Woolley.
In 1871 they are living Kirk Ireton, Derbyshire
RG10/3577 Folio 59 Pg 5
Paul Woolley transcribed as 47 (but actually 67) born Sudbury
Sarah " 52 " Brailsford
Arthur Yeomans 14 " "
Francis transcribed as 4 (but actually 11) " "
How did you arrive at Alfred when doing your research? Have you found him
on a Census after 1861?
Spendlove
-
Hi Spendlove,
I have my "Alfred" in the censuses between 1881 - 1911, all of which are after his marriage.
RG14/27626
RG13/4323/19/29
RG12/3781/17/28
RG11/4601/139/57
I know this is the right person. Unfortunately, when he married Alice Kay on 13 Aug 1877 at Silkstone, he did not name his father. I am now trying to be efficient and logical about this and I have ordered all the birth certificates for Alfred Yeomans born in Derbyshire between 1850 and 1862, of which there are several. The logic being that if I can track these people forward to 1881, I should be in a position to rule them in or out. However, one which did not have a birth cert was Alfred son of Samuel and Sarah. There is also an Alfred Yeomans living with his grandmother Ann Taylor in the 1861 census (don't know ref off top of head) who probably needs further investigation.
So that's where I'm at.
Thank you for your awesome summary!!
Heather